Defining Homosexuality

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Mitspa

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Sitting on a Christian site repeatedly saying homosexuality is bad isn't constructive. The gay community actually go about in the streets trying to get what they believe is their right. No matter how wrong that is. Do you actually want to save these people? Then go out to the gay community and minister to them. As far as a masturbation and pornography community, are such things going to have to come to existence for you to want to do something about those?
Friend me and others on this site did not make this a topic of such importance...the government has done that and those false Christians who defend and approve this sin have only proven the need for the issue to be discussed further...You seem to be upset, not because this issue is being discussed but because its being reproved. I am guessing that if this issue was being discussed as an acceptable Christian lifestyle, you would have no problem with it as a topic?
 

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Friend me and others on this site did not make this a topic of such importance...the government has done that and those false Christians who defend and approve this sin have only proven the need for the issue to be discussed further...You seem to be upset, not because this issue is being discussed but because its being reproved. I am guessing that if this issue was being discussed as an acceptable Christian lifestyle, you would have no problem with it as a topic?

You clearly do not know reading comprehension. I just said the words "save these people." These people as in ave the gay community, and minister through them. How on Earth do you get "acceptable Christian lifestyle" from that. You are so obsessed about it you even accuse a person that says go out to the community and talk about Jesus to them as "approving their sin." You are delusional, my brother.
 

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That, or you have selective hearing, and think anyone that feels posting about a sin is a waste of time, rather than going out and trying to save the sinner him/herself, is "accepting the sin." I have know I idea what you think you are reading.
 
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Even if someone was promoting such a sin I'm not sure if he would get banned
Somebody already got banned for this:

‘What I did say on a thread entitled “When the Supreme Court Approved Gay Marriage, What All Happened to the USA?” is that there are LGBT scripture lawyers who can present a credible case that lesbianism is not a sin. That was in response to the homophobes citing the typical clobber verses that are used to humiliate homosexuals.’



So here on this thread you have people like AgeofKnowledge going on and on about the clobber verses allegedly condemning homosexuality. But you have no one offering the opposing view that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality.

And why not?

Because the person would be banned.
 
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To make one thing clear, I am not homosexual. However, I've become very annoyed with a lot of people who mercilessly shame and degrade them. I understand that there are many gay and lesbian people who are actively trying to destroy the foundations of Christianity. But there are also few who claim they have no say in who they love. Seeing as the concept of love is somewhat cloudy these days, I want to define IT before I attempt to define homosexuality. The perfect example of love is Christ's selfless sacrifice for us on the cross. Wanting to save us - the sinful, foul, dirty beings that we are - and inviting us into His family and His care. Love is more than just something you feel. It's when you are selfless enough to put others above yourself and treat them with a sincere serving heart.

I've thought a lot about whether people are born homosexual or not and have come to an unfinished conclusion.
It is that people are conceived in sin and that it is the law that condemns us. Whether we want to seek Christ and obey Him or follow our own wishes and desires - it is a choice we make with how we live our lives. I don't doubt that there are gay and lesbian couples who put their partner above themselves and love them dearly. However, this isn't the plan that God envisioned when he designed both man and woman. There are multiple occasions when the scriptures tell us that
sleeping or being partners with people of the opposite genders is unnatural (in God's eyes)
- indirectly in Genesis and clearly in Romans.
Is the above what you meant to say?

Keeping in mind that God regards the practice of homosexuality as an abomination (perversion--NIV).

I see too many people treating the homosexual community like they're barely people. Others try to guilt trip or shame them by telling them that God hates them or they're going to hell. While the first is false and the second is frighteningly true, I think many Christians are making a mistake by calling out people on the sins they struggle with - when they should be telling them that everyone is filthy compared to Christ and that his blood can wash away all of that.
Also keeping in mind that they must turn from the practice of homosexuality, just as the kleptomaniac must turn from the practice of stealing, when they come to Christ for cleansing.

Please feel free to clearly comment what you think or feel below. Like, your experiences with the gay community or why you hate them so much - or if you're gay, your perspective is desired but not demanded. I hope people of different world views can feel free to comment on this.
 
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I believe you can be born a homosexual, we are born and shaped by inquity, sin has deformed many of God's original and holy plans and until he comes back, it only gets worst.

How do we deal with this then? With love, righteous love but without giving up your own beliefs. I have gay friends and I love them and some of them are really funny and special to my heart but they know who I am and what I believe and they respect that and you know what works? Hanging out with them, not bible bashing, these are people with hearts and struggles and honestly, their sin is no worst to me then that of someone who's an adulter or a liar. Will they go to hell? If they don't except Jesus Christ as their savior they will. Just like any one else. God is righteous and once you accept he will change you to be more like him through his Holy Spirit. The liar will stop lying to be like Jesus, the cheater will stop cheating, and the homosexual will be changed to accurately reflect God's vision of sexuality.

Homosexuality is a sin? Yep
Do we love like usual? Yep.
Do we support homosexuality? No

That's how I feel, it burns me to pieces to see such hate and bigotry toward lgbt people.
I suggest that the "hate and bigotry" are the result of the alteration and deterioration of our society from the natural norms of nature to the unnatural (perverted--NIV) norms of homosexual practice.

The issue is not homosexuality, the issue is the demanding that what in Christianity is immoral and unnatural must be accepted, approved by Christians as citizens.
 
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I cant imagine the unbearable pressure for some gay teens. One of my closest friends is Gay. Noone, not even her parents (especially not her parents) knows she's gay. Shes super pretty and guys buzz around her. She acts like shes interested and talks boys sometimes when my other friends are discussing guys. Why does she feel trapped - why does she feel like she cant talk about the emotions in her.

Well for a start her parents are very devout Christians. They are lovely people and have been good to my friend and I can she how she is loved. I was having dinner with her family when the news of Ireland's decision to legalize gay marriage came through. Without meaning to be hurtful they remarked how sinful this was. How condemned gays were. How horrible their acts were. How intolerable the whole gay issue was.

I was frozen. I just wanted to pull my friend into a hug. We got to her room and she cried and cried and cried. My beautiful and gentle friend.....it was so heart breaking.

I know all about self esteem issues and things that can build in your head until you do something you shouldn't. SO - I acknowledge the bible's position - but what I want from Christians is to go very very gently with teens. Telling them about some sort of reversion therapy or telling them they r going straight to hell just might send them to the end of a rope.

If that ever happened to my precious friend it would crush me n this world would have lost a jewel.
I hear you, but the practice of homosexuality is immoral, no matter how precious your friend is, and that is where we must start.

A Christian has a choice to make--seek help in dealing with his inclinations, and come into Biblical obedience regarding them.
As strange as it may seem, the Christian's sincere attempt to first all come into obedience to God can result in a change of heart on the issue.
More than one Christian homosexual has been freed from its bondage in that way.
God changes obedient hearts. They are not without his aid.
 
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That, or you have selective hearing, and think anyone that feels posting about a sin is a waste of time, rather than going out and trying to save the sinner him/herself, is "accepting the sin." I have know I idea what you think you are reading.
Well I do go out and I do lead folks to Christ and I know that those who are in a reprobate condition can not understand the goodness of God...but by fear you can save some of them.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.


 
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@zoii I know this is a teen forum but
I think the adults have the authority to make sure we young ones are on the right track :)

As the blue ladybug lady said earlier, I should have posted this in the family forum. :)
Supposedly the mind of a teen can be emotional and immature, not seeing and evaluating some things in a mature way.
That is why adults are needed in discussing the morality of homosexuality according to the Scriptures.
 
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Firstly, homosexual behavior is always grave sin that cannot be mitigated through the sacrilege of homosexual marriage which actually compounds its transgression. Period.

But masturbation is not. Between married people, mutual masturbation is not. Read the Song of Solomon. It's also not for a single person when unaccompanied by sin and sinful thoughts.

Pornography is always sin, however. And many genuine Christians are presently addicted to masturbating to it which certainly is sinful. You are correct about that.

Genuine Christians, churches, and organizations continue to stand against both homosexuality and pornography as outside of God's holiness and design for human sexuality.

You've confused an immoral generation's acceptance of both homosexuality and pornography as a false charge against Christians that they are against homosexuality but not against pornography and that simply is not true. We've always been against both (and instead for God's design).

Your own apathy and involvement in the ongoing fight against pornography, combined with the mainstream media's refusal to cover it at present, has led you to make a false assertion. Every Christian organization and association I belong to is actively involved in opposing pornography.

From the my local church, to its associations, to para-church organizations like Family Research Council and Morality in Media, to Christian organs like Focus on the Family: they are all actively opposing pornography socially and politically including locally and at the state and federal level. You are wrong.

And, as stated before (and you lack understanding on this point), though all sin separates one from Holy God without repentance and the appropriation of Christ; God is just and fair so it's no surprise that the Bible teaches sin gradients.

The Mosaic Law itself which formed the core of the old covenant God had with the ancient nation of Israel is a perfect example; however, the New Testament itself is replete with them including Jesus Himself telling Pilate in John 19:11 "therefore he that delivered me to you has the greater sin."

Scripture clearly reveals that in God's estimate some sins are worse and bring greater guilt than others, and that some sins do us more damage. So while all sin separates one from Holy God outside of repentance and the appropriation of Christ, justice acknowledges that sin gradients. The sin of murder, for example, is actually worse than say taking a pencil from work without asking.

This is important to understand when it comes to any discussion regarding the socio-historical treatment of homosexuality for, as I previously stated, societal/civilization embrace of homosexuality and homosexual "marriage" is the beginning of that society or civilization's bottom that ultimately results in judgment and replacement. Additionally, there is a prophetic element involved when what we're seeing occur, occurs.

Obviously, this simply is not true say for masturbation. You do not appear to grasp the magnitude of what's occurring in the civilization you live in nor where it's headed. Your thinking is flawed, your logic is faulty, and your feelings culture directed. Not wholly, of course, but partly... enough that it's led you to make post after post after post in this thread that doesn't align well with reality.


Okay so we want to put secuality on a different level on sins. Okay. Where's all the uproar then on masturbation and pornography? Both damage a person's purity. I'm not seeing an equal pounding my fist on the table, stomping my feet on the ground, yelling "I'm not going to take if anymore" posts and threads like I am seeing with homosexuality. Can't pick and choose sin you want to gripe about. It's all or none.
 
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My take on love is that it's a choice we make, whether it's homosexual love or heterosexual love. The homosexual feelings may be normal to many (possibly more than will admit to the feelings in fact), probably due to many factors that go above my head, but Love is not a feeling. It's a verb. It's something we do out of choice. The actions are the sin to me.....feeling attraction to another of the same sex is just that.....a feeling.....acting on that attraction takes choice. God gave us free will for exactly this sort of dilemma. We are free to sin, due to free will, but every action has a reaction, so while I am free to sin, sins have reactions.....or consequences...whether that be physical consequences, emotional consequences or whatever.....there is a consequence to sin.

Now that we all know I believe the actions of homosexuality are sin, we should also know that I also believe over eating, smoking and drinking to excess are also sins, since they don't care for the Temple (body), and the Bible is pretty clear that no sin is any worse than another......so, to me homosexuality is no worse than the lying, murdering, over eating, me.
Actually, to God only some sins are an abomination, and homosexuality is one of them.

If I dismiss everyone who sins in ways I don't approve, then I will run out of people to love reallllllllly quickly. Not to mention the fact that one's sexual orientation is only one small part of who they are, unless they or I choose to make it more than that. If I segregate myself from those who sin differently than I, I will be missing out on getting to know a LOT of awesome people.....besides, sexuality are one of the last things my friends and I discuss anyways.
Then again, I'm nobody.
Peace!!
 

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Well I do go out and I do lead folks to Christ and I know that those who are in a reprobate condition can not understand the goodness of God...but by fear you can save some of them.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

In all sincerity I am glad you posted those two underlined verses. I agree in some you need to minister in compasdion, but othrrs you need to be brutally honest. Because God is both loving and just. I feel that is as close as we are going to come on agreeing, so I say let's leave it on a good note. God bless you, brother. And I apologize to you for getting a little heated in my posts. It just bothers me when people tend to ignore other sins and juat focus on a specific one, when all sin is dangerous and we should focus on all of it. That's just my opinion. But I could have reacted differently. I hope you can forgive me for that.
 
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Firstly, homosexual behavior is always grave sin that cannot be mitigated through the sacrilege of homosexual marriage which actually compounds its transgression. Period.

But masturbation is not. Between married people, mutual masturbation is not. Read the Song of Solomon. It's also not for a single person when unaccompanied by sin and sinful thoughts.

Pornography is always sin, however. And many genuine Christians are presently addicted to masturbating to it which certainly is sinful. You are correct about that.

Genuine Christians, churches, and organizations continue to stand against both homosexuality and pornography as outside of God's holiness and design for human sexuality.

You've confused an immoral generation's acceptance of both homosexuality and pornography as a false charge against Christians that they are against homosexuality but not against pornography and that simply is not true. We've always been against both (and instead for God's design).

Your own apathy and involvement in the ongoing fight against pornography, combined with the mainstream media's refusal to cover it at present, has led you to make a false assertion. Every Christian organization and association I belong to is actively involved in opposing pornography.

From the my local church, to its associations, to para-church organizations like Family Research Council and Morality in Media, to Christian organs like Focus on the Family: they are all actively opposing pornography socially and politically including locally and at the state and federal level. You are wrong.

And, as stated before (and you lack understanding on this point), though all sin separates one from Holy God without repentance and the appropriation of Christ; God is just and fair so it's no surprise that the Bible teaches sin gradients.

The Mosaic Law itself which formed the core of the old covenant God had with the ancient nation of Israel is a perfect example; however, the New Testament itself is replete with them including Jesus Himself telling Pilate in John 19:11 "therefore he that delivered me to you has the greater sin."

Scripture clearly reveals that in God's estimate some sins are worse and bring greater guilt than others, and that some sins do us more damage. So while all sin separates one from Holy God outside of repentance and the appropriation of Christ, justice acknowledges that sin gradients. The sin of murder, for example, is actually worse than say taking a pencil from work without asking.

This is important to understand when it comes to any discussion regarding the socio-historical treatment of homosexuality for, as I previously stated, societal/civilization embrace of homosexuality and homosexual "marriage" is the beginning of that society or civilization's bottom that ultimately results in judgment and replacement. Additionally, there is a prophetic element involved when what we're seeing occur, occurs.

Obviously, this simply is not true say for masturbation. You do not appear to grasp the magnitude of what's occurring in the civilization you live in nor where it's headed. Your thinking is flawed, your logic is faulty, and your feelings culture directed. Not wholly, of course, but partly... enough that it's led you to make post after post after post in this thread that doesn't align well with reality.
My point is the LGBT community isn't going to see these posts. They don't spend their time on a Christian site. That's why I think rather than making threads, it's better to go out to their community and to try and teach them about Jesus. That is more effective than making threads they are never going to see.
 
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Darrel498 said:
I see you and your friends have HOMOPHOBIC printed on your forehead.
"Homophobic" is a misnomer coined to serve the gay rights agenda.

The correct word would be "pervophobia."
 

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My point is the LGBT community isn't going to see these posts. They don't spend their time on a Christian site. That's why I think rather than making threads, it's better to go out to their community and to try and teach them about Jesus. That is more effective than making threads they are never going to see.
Part of the point of sites like CC is to equip the Brethern in their mission to spread the Gospel. I have productively used points I hadn't thought of from various threads here to teach studies and witness to others. Peace to you Brother. I agree with you that the Lord uses the parts of His body in different ways to reach people.
 
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So you think those who approve and promote sin are in good shape with God and those who oppose sin are the ones who need to worry? This logic sounds very hatful to me.
Sounds like a teenager to me.
 
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Acknowledged. You make a great point. We do have to witness directly to the "LGBT community." Some of us have. I've street ministered in Palm Springs, CA during such events but as you say we could have used a lot more help from our fellow Christians.

Nevertheless, these threads are beneficial. Firstly, many people all over the world perform searches and find them and read what they have making them part of that outreach that you advocate. Secondly, they serve as places where formally educated Christians such as myself can "hammer out" the particulars with other Christians that may be deceived by the devil or misled by the immoral culture they live in.

But you're absolutely right that the Christian worldview with it's Gospel of Jesus Christ is designed by God to be made available to the whole world. Good looking out here.


My point is the LGBT community isn't going to see these posts. They don't spend their time on a Christian site. That's why I think rather than making threads, it's better to go out to their community and to try and teach them about Jesus. That is more effective than making threads they are never going to see.
 
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Hey Zoii. :)

Yeah, there would be Christians who have committed such acts, but there are a lot of them here? I have always been on either the teens forums or on the young adults one. Then maybe a bit here and there on the music and poems forum, recently I thought I'll join the Bible discussion one. So I don't really know much. If someone has committed such sins and come here and tell them out and ask for help it is fine, totally fine. But coming here and promoting them and offending others is not right. That's what I think. Neither have I seen anyone promoting any kind of sin here so far. I have seen the offending part happen from both sides, Christians must not offend even if the other person talking to them is doing so. Making points with hate and intending to shame will only get others aggressive. :/

Why do we have mixed opinions on how to respond to gay people? We should love everyone, even our enemies, we must embrace them. Homosexuality is a sin, we all have our share of sin, what makes us so special not to embrace gay people? By embrace I don't mean to support homosexuality, but to love that person.
Yes, we can love the person and not accept his lifestyle.

But many won't go for that, they want outright acceptance and approval of it.

I liken it to my brother having an affair behind his wife's back.
If he wants to come to my house with his girlfriend, he may not because I do not accept it.

I love him and he may come anytime he wishes, but she may not come with him.

I love him, but I will not participate in, nor facilitate, his sin.
 
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Somebody already got banned for this:

‘What I did say on a thread entitled “When the Supreme Court Approved Gay Marriage, What All Happened to the USA?” is that there are LGBT scripture lawyers who can present
a credible case that lesbianism is not a sin
. That was in response to the homophobes citing the typical clobber verses that are used to humiliate homosexuals.’
Sorry, there are no verses to be used for homosexuality not being a sin.
The Bible does not contradict itself, and it is very clear regarding the abomination of homosexuality.

So here on this thread you have people like AgeofKnowledge going on and on about the clobber verses allegedly condemning homosexuality. But you have
no one offering the opposing view that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality.

And why not?

Because the person would be banned.
As they should be. . .it's a Biblical site.