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I was just answering your logic about works. The blood is all that was required. Some just put the blood on the doors without faith,. Some did it with faith and some lived there and benefited because the person who lived with them put the blood on the door. It was the blood that saved the house not all the thoughts or intentions of the people inside.
They put blood on doors to be saved from the death angel.
It's talking about obeying His Commandments. As for works: Those who were faithful over a little will be rewarded. But if one is not faithful at all, then what exactly are they being rewarded for? If a tree does not bear forth fruit, it is cut down and thrown in the fire. Besides, your argument is not with me, but with the Scriptures. It says "obey."
The purpose of the Book of Hebrews was not to lay out God's plan of salvation, that was done in the Book of Romans...8 chapters worth.
You can't take verses here and there, then tie them together to fit your preconceived soteriology.
Romans, never presents justification as a cooperative work, it is a work of Christ alone as the law has shut ALL up under sin.
You can't take verses here and there, then tie them together to fit your preconceived soteriology.
Romans, never presents justification as a cooperative work, it is a work of Christ alone as the law has shut ALL up under sin.
Besides, the same thought line is expressed in other verses in the New Testament.
Romans 2:8
but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Jude 1:21
keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.
1 Peter 1:22
Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart
Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.
John 14:23
If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue inhis goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 2:8
but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Jude 1:21
keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.
1 Peter 1:22
Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart
Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.
John 14:23
If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue inhis goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
That's why your theology is so messed up. You neglect the 8 chapters in Romans that specializes in salvation by grace thru faith so you can hold on to a few isolated Scriptures elsewhere who's main topic matter is different.
The context of Hebrews 5 introduces the better High Priest we have in Christ.
The word obey often means hearken to/ listen to...
ὑπακούω. impf. ὑπήκουον; 1aor. ὑπήκουσα; from a basic meaning listen to; (1) with the dative of person obey, submit to, be subject to (EP 6. 1); (2) with the dative of the thing yield to, obey, surrender to (AC 6. 7); (3) as the duty of a doorkeeper hearken, answer a knock, open (the door) (AC 12. 13)
He was obedient unto death and that is our goal, but not a condition for salvation.
Please quit picking verses out of thin air to make air proofs.
The context of Hebrews 5 introduces the better High Priest we have in Christ.
The word obey often means hearken to/ listen to...
ὑπακούω. impf. ὑπήκουον; 1aor. ὑπήκουσα; from a basic meaning listen to; (1) with the dative of person obey, submit to, be subject to (EP 6. 1); (2) with the dative of the thing yield to, obey, surrender to (AC 6. 7); (3) as the duty of a doorkeeper hearken, answer a knock, open (the door) (AC 12. 13)
He was obedient unto death and that is our goal, but not a condition for salvation.
Please quit picking verses out of thin air to make air proofs.
I am sorry. I believe God's Word was communicated in my language just fine. There is no need to change what it says.
Okay, so you are big on wanting to look at Paul. Alright, let's look at the words of Paul then.
Okay, so you are big on wanting to look at Paul. Alright, let's look at the words of Paul then.
- Ephesians 2:2-3 - Paul says in times past the believers at Ephesus walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, which is the same spirit that now works in the children of disobedience: Paul also says to them that they used to have their conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and WERE by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
- 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.
- Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.
- Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
- Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.
- 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.
- 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.
- 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.
- 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).
- Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life … … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.
It is called works of wood, hay and stubble which will be burnt, but they themselves saved yet so as by fire...it is also speaking about the not so honorable vessels.....wake up....you cannot lose salvation, but you can be judged, whipped, lose rewards and have all your works burnt yet be saved so as by FIRE...and just like the sinning Corinthian brother who was fornicating and bragging about it.....he was removed from the assembly for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved in the day of Christ...wake up......!
Please take note that only those who have actual works to burn will be at the Bema Seat. Those who are fruitless will not be there. For Titus 1:16 says this, "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." As for the Corinthian man who committed sexual immorality: Well, he was kicked out of the church because he was no longer a part of the body of Christ. He was delivered unto Satan for the destruction of his flesh so as to get him to repent so as to be saved spiritually (By him repenting of his sins). In fact, we know that even looking upon a woman in lust can cause one's eye to be cast into Hell-fire. For fear not him who can destroy the body, but fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire) (Matthew 10:28).
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Now your just flavoring and adding to the word to support the crap you preach....no where does it say to get him to repent....he was delivered for the destruction of the flesh so the SPIRIT would be saved in the day Of Christ...man you twist and turn every chance you get and turn the word of God into a lie so as to support your own doctrine of fanciful works and religious dogma!
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Wait a minute or two..... I have observed to just read and walk away after Jason is on here posting in any thread but not this time.
First of all, Jesus did all the hard work to help us all be saved, He died on the cross for us.
Second, if I pray a lot more, read different versions of the Bible, do good deeds, go to all church services, keep all ordinances and laws, all of those acts of obedience will not guarantee that I be saved. There is no one person on Earth that can be saved even if they live a perfectly "sinless life" (Romans 3:23). No matter how many colorful posters and shiny trophies I receive for obeying it does not equal salvation. What is needed is grace and faith, without grace and faith there is no salvation. There is not one twisted word in the Bible that can specifically say that you must have a To Do list after sinning, even if you receive the Blood of Jesus Christ and that there are obedience conditions that must be met to fully satisfy you receiving the Blood of Jesus Christ. What about the words of obey in the Bible? Well, obey is if you do not LISTEN to the Lord and hear His word, and do not LISTEN to Jesus Christ then you will not be saved. Of course, by having grace and faith you are LISTENING and there is your OBEYING because you end up with grace and faith of the Lord. Ephesians 2:8 says For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Grace or Mercy is what is at work here and the way to heaven. We cannot do anything or create a list of works that will get us in heaven. Yes, we must do good works, and be good to one another, help, etc., but the more I do the better I will make the draft into heaven. Does not work that way.
The point is we have been saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ, if we have Jesus Christ in our hearts then how can we not do good works in helping others, sure we will do good. We will guide others to see that we believe in Jesus and He is the way. That is the light we are to shine before all other people, and they will see true Christianity, not one that goes counting how many works have been done.
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5 : 16). Yes, our works will be rewarded, they will be examined if you will. However, those will not save us, the obeying in doing the works will not work, it is grace and faith that has saved us all along. - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight for by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3 : 20). It's not about racking up points under obedience, it is by believing, having faith and being saved by grace, through those two is the way to pleasing God because we will be serving Him, spreading His message, and everything He wants us to do, but it is first grace and faith.
First of all, Jesus did all the hard work to help us all be saved, He died on the cross for us.
Second, if I pray a lot more, read different versions of the Bible, do good deeds, go to all church services, keep all ordinances and laws, all of those acts of obedience will not guarantee that I be saved. There is no one person on Earth that can be saved even if they live a perfectly "sinless life" (Romans 3:23). No matter how many colorful posters and shiny trophies I receive for obeying it does not equal salvation. What is needed is grace and faith, without grace and faith there is no salvation. There is not one twisted word in the Bible that can specifically say that you must have a To Do list after sinning, even if you receive the Blood of Jesus Christ and that there are obedience conditions that must be met to fully satisfy you receiving the Blood of Jesus Christ. What about the words of obey in the Bible? Well, obey is if you do not LISTEN to the Lord and hear His word, and do not LISTEN to Jesus Christ then you will not be saved. Of course, by having grace and faith you are LISTENING and there is your OBEYING because you end up with grace and faith of the Lord. Ephesians 2:8 says For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Grace or Mercy is what is at work here and the way to heaven. We cannot do anything or create a list of works that will get us in heaven. Yes, we must do good works, and be good to one another, help, etc., but the more I do the better I will make the draft into heaven. Does not work that way.
The point is we have been saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ, if we have Jesus Christ in our hearts then how can we not do good works in helping others, sure we will do good. We will guide others to see that we believe in Jesus and He is the way. That is the light we are to shine before all other people, and they will see true Christianity, not one that goes counting how many works have been done.
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5 : 16). Yes, our works will be rewarded, they will be examined if you will. However, those will not save us, the obeying in doing the works will not work, it is grace and faith that has saved us all along. - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight for by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3 : 20). It's not about racking up points under obedience, it is by believing, having faith and being saved by grace, through those two is the way to pleasing God because we will be serving Him, spreading His message, and everything He wants us to do, but it is first grace and faith.
Look man.......I believe Jesus and what he said....my salvation is based upon his work, his blood, his faith, his sacrifice, his mediatorship, his lawyership.....HE paid my price, bought me back and I am eternally saved, sealed, justified and sanctified (positionally in Christ)....My born again SPIRIT is bound in a body of sin that is fallen, not subject unto the word of God and neither in deed can be....any good that comes from me is Christ dia me......the works do not save me, add to my salvation, keep me saved, facillitate my salvation....I currently POSSESS salvation and will have it for ETERNITY....I am sorry you are blind to the truth and the gospel you teach is false....period...you trust self over Christ and you teach a works based false gospel which has no power to save much less keep you saved! Believe what you will...many have tried to show you how much you contradict yourself, the bible and the truth...you will not recieve it....!
I have already provided several witnesses in Scripture that testify against your belief here. However, if you need more, then here you go.
The mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit; he who is under the Lord’s wrath will fall into it. (Prov 22:14),
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. (Rev 21:8)
David knew about sexual immorality and the misery, shame, regret, other sins that follow and spiritual death it brings. Read his remorseful words and ponder them carefully:
Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity. Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. (Psa 51:9-11)
Source:
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/woessexualsin.htm
The mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit; he who is under the Lord’s wrath will fall into it. (Prov 22:14),
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. (Rev 21:8)
David knew about sexual immorality and the misery, shame, regret, other sins that follow and spiritual death it brings. Read his remorseful words and ponder them carefully:
Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity. Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. (Psa 51:9-11)
Source:
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/woessexualsin.htm
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