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[dcontroversal]

I have already provided several witnesses in Scripture that testify against your belief here.

The mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit; he who is under the Lord’s wrath will fall into it. (Prov 22:14),

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

David knew about sexual immorality and the misery, shame, regret, other sins that follow and spiritual death it brings. Read his remorseful words and ponder them carefully:

For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. (Psa 51:3)

Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity. Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. (Psa 51:9-11)

Source:
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/woessexualsin.htm

David never lost his salvation.....and only asked for the joy of it back.....you can twist all you want...does'nt change the facts....saints sin....only one who never sinned...you might start believing his word before it is too late for you....Acknowledge the saving faith of Christ and be eternally saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in Chrst before it is too late!

 

[Jason0047]

Wait a minute or two..... I have observed to just read and walk away after Jason is on here posting in any thread but not this time.

First of all, Jesus did all the hard work to help us all be saved, He died on the cross for us.

Second, if I pray a lot more, read different versions of the Bible, do good deeds, go to all church services, keep all ordinances and laws, all of those acts of obedience will not guarantee that I be saved. There is no one person on Earth that can be saved even if they live a perfectly "sinless life" (Romans 3:23). No matter how many colorful posters and shiny trophies I receive for obeying it does not equal salvation. What is needed is grace and faith, without grace and faith there is no salvation. There is not one twisted word in the Bible that can specifically say that you must have a To Do list after sinning, even if you receive the Blood of Jesus Christ and that there are obedience conditions that must be met to fully satisfy you receiving the Blood of Jesus Christ. What about the words of obey in the Bible? Well, obey is if you do not LISTEN to the Lord and hear His word, and do not LISTEN to Jesus Christ then you will not be saved. Of course, by having grace and faith you are LISTENING and there is your OBEYING because you end up with grace and faith of the Lord. Ephesians 2:8 says For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Grace or Mercy is what is at work here and the way to heaven. We cannot do anything or create a list of works that will get us in heaven. Yes, we must do good works, and be good to one another, help, etc., but the more I do the better I will make the draft into heaven. Does not work that way.

The point is we have been saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ, if we have Jesus Christ in our hearts then how can we not do good works in helping others, sure we will do good. We will guide others to see that we believe in Jesus and He is the way. That is the light we are to shine before all other people, and they will see true Christianity, not one that goes counting how many works have been done.

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5 : 16). Yes, our works will be rewarded, they will be examined if you will. However, those will not save us, the obeying in doing the works will not work, it is grace and faith that has saved us all along. - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight for by the law is the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3 : 20). It's not about racking up points under obedience, it is by believing, having faith and being saved by grace, through those two is the way to pleasing God because we will be serving Him, spreading His message, and everything He wants us to do, but it is first grace and faith.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the LIFE. Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). Knowing Jesus and the Father is the source of one's eternal life. If one is not abiding with the Father and Jesus, then they have no eternal life abiding in them. How can you get the Father and the Son to abide in you so that you may know them and have eternal life?

Obey the words of the Lord. For...

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23).

What are some words by Jesus?

In Matthew 6:15, Jesus gives us words about how if we do not forgive, then we will not be forgiven.

In Matthew 18:9, Jesus gives us words that say that if our eye offends us, it is better to pluck it out then to go thru Hell fire.

In Matthew 12:37, Jesus says by your words you will be justified and by your words, you can be condemned. For if one rejects the words of Christ, then those very words will judge them on the last day (John 12:48).

In Matthew 5:20, Jesus says your righteousness must exeed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, otherwise you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

In Matthew 5:22, Jesus says do not hate your brother without a cause, or you will be in danger of the Judgment.

Doesn't sound like Eternal Security to me. There are certain Conditions that apply for a believer to abide in Christ (Who is the source of their Eternal Salvation).

 

[Jason0047]

David never lost his salvation.....and only asked for the joy of it back.....you can twist all you want...does'nt change the facts....saints sin....only one who never sinned...you might start believing his word before it is too late for you....Acknowledge the saving faith of Christ and be eternally saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in Chrst before it is too late!

So if I don't believe in a doctrine that allows for one to sin and still be saved type belief (like with your version of the Corinthian man being saved while in sin), then it will be too late for me? Sorry, I find it hard to believe that God would condone His people in doing evil. Also, David said not for the Holy Spirit to be taken from him. If he did not believe that such a thing was possible, then he would have never said it.

 

[KJB]

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the LIFE. Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). Knowing Jesus and the Father is the source of one's eternal life. If one is not abiding with the Father and Jesus, then they have no eternal life abiding in them. How can you get the Father and the Son to abide in you so that you may know them and have eternal life?

Obey the words of the Lord. For...

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23).

What are some words by Jesus?

In Matthew 6:15, Jesus gives us words about how if we do not forgive, then we will not be forgiven.

In Matthew 18:9, Jesus gives us words that say that if our eye offends us, it is better to pluck it out then to go thru Hell fire.

In Matthew 12:37, Jesus says by your words you will be justified and by your words, you can be condemned. For if one rejects the words of Christ, then those very words will judge them on the last day (John 12:48).

In Matthew 5:20, Jesus says your righteousness must exeed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, otherwise you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

In Matthew 5:22, Jesus says do not hate your brother without a cause, or you will be in danger of the Judgment.

Doesn't sound like Eternal Security to me. There are certain Conditions that apply for a believer to abide in Christ (Who is the source of their Eternal Salvation).

It isn't about how much of the word I am able to follow and be sinless then I will be able to be saved. It is about the grace and faith in my Lord Jesus Christ that will save me, because through Him I will be able to love others, I will be able to not judge others, I will be able to display His word. I think you need to read Matthew 19: 16 -26. The young man was asking what else am I missing from doing all the good things you ask for to Jesus. It wasn't able what else is on that list of yours that I must complete to be saved? No one person can be 100% good, only God can be 100% good, we can be perfectly obedient, if so we would be robots and in turn would need no salvation. Jesus says to follow the commandments, He wants you to read all of God's words in the Bible. This does not mean there is a "exchange your works for righteousness" program in which you can cash out your salvation. I understand that you want to obey the Lord, but do not deny that through grace and faith the true word of God and the sacrifice Jesus can shine our paths to salvation. Jason, if you continue to say that we must obey and through obedience solely is the way to salvation then right there and then you are breaking a commandment already of false witness. Shallow knowledge of the law will not get you far, even if you seem to be obeying all the commandments and laws and obey this and that, there will be no fully satisfaction for your salvation. Your soul will not be satisfied, you need to let all of that go and grow, through grace and faith, and then only can you truly follow Jesus. Just like in the story, the young man loved his money his wealth and he thought he was following all of the commandments, when in fact he was disobeying the first one because he indeed loved money and everything he had. He had another "god" and that was his wealth, do not let the way you are stuck on obedience be your false god, there i only one true God. Man can obey and obey, but with man salvation is impossible. The only one true way to salvation is through God, because through God all things are possible. (Matthew 19: 26).

No one can be saved through the works of men, and the obedience of a mankind. Read Romans 10 verse 9, and let me know what do you think of those words? Salvation is through Jesus Christ and speaking His name, believing in God's works that the Lord raised His Son from the dead, and that we shall be saved. Nothing there is it that we must do good works to earn our way to salvation, not one word of a DIY list. We will never be perfect just remember that, we will never be good enough to get into heaven solely on works. We are sinners, we repent of our sins and through GRACE AND OUR FAITH in Jesus Christ is how we can be saved. The conditions are not a checklist, mankind would never be able to fulfill all of them and God knows that, that is why He would never give us the impossible task to allow for man to be able to do that.


-Kim

 

[Jason0047]

It isn't about how much of the word I am able to follow and be sinless then I will be able to be saved. It is about the grace and faith in my Lord Jesus Christ that will save me, because through Him I will be able to love others, I will be able to not judge others, I will be able to display His word. I think you need to read Matthew 19: 16 -26. The young man was asking what else am I missing from doing all the good things you ask for to Jesus. It wasn't able what else is on that list of yours that I must complete to be saved? No one person can be 100% good, only God can be 100% good, we can be perfectly obedient, if so we would be robots and in turn would need no salvation. Jesus says to follow the commandments, He wants you to read all of God's words in the Bible. This does not mean there is a "exchange your works for righteousness" program in which you can cash out your salvation. I understand that you want to obey the Lord, but do not deny that through grace and faith the true word of God and the sacrifice Jesus can shine our paths to salvation. Jason, if you continue to say that we must obey and through obedience solely is the way to salvation then right there and then you are breaking a commandment already of false witness. Shallow knowledge of the law will not get you far, even if you seem to be obeying all the commandments and laws and obey this and that, there will be no fully satisfaction for your salvation. Your soul will not be satisfied, you need to let all of that go and grow, through grace and faith, and then only can you truly follow Jesus. Just like in the story, the young man loved his money his wealth and he thought he was following all of the commandments, when in fact he was disobeying the first one because he indeed loved money and everything he had. He had another "god" and that was his wealth, do not let the way you are stuck on obedience be your false god, there i only one true God. Man can obey and obey, but with man salvation is impossible. The only one true way to salvation is through God, because through God all things are possible. (Matthew 19: 26).

No one can be saved through the works of men, and the obedience of a mankind. Read Romans 10 verse 9, and let me know what do you think of those words? Salvation is through Jesus Christ and speaking His name, believing in God's works that the Lord raised His Son from the dead, and that we shall be saved. Nothing there is it that we must do good works to earn our way to salvation, not one word of a DIY list. We will never be perfect just remember that, we will never be good enough to get into heaven solely on works. We are sinners, we repent of our sins and through GRACE AND OUR FAITH in Jesus Christ is how we can be saved. The conditions are not a checklist, mankind would never be able to fulfill all of them and God knows that, that is why He would never give us the impossible task to allow for man to be able to do that.


-Kim

First, you are not reading and believing the verses I just quoted. Let's just take the more popular verse such as Matthew 6:15. Can you be forgiven and yet not forgive?

Second, nowhere did I say that we are saved by our own personal righteous deeds apart from Christ. We are saved by grace thru FAITH. However, what does true saving faith in Jesus Christ look like according to the Bible? Is it your own version of faith or is it a faith described in the Bible? Do you know that Hebrews 11 describes "faith" as both a belief and as an action?

Third, Christ does the good work in a beleiver and it is not me, you, and or that strange guy down the street. For Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Meaning, Christ saves us not only in Justification but in Sanctification, too. For when we surrender to Christ, then He can do the "good work" in you. For the Scriptures say that Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. This would be the works of the devil in a person's life.

Four, the Scriptures say that he that sins is of the devil and he that does righteousness is of God. So I would say that one's fruit in their life that comes from God is very important. For Paul says examine whether or not Christ is in a person unless they be a reprobate. 1 John 2:3 says, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

Five, usually when the New Testament talks about the "Law", it is referring to the Law of Moses and not all Law in general. For God's people are not anarchists whereby they can live however they like and yet also be saved with Jesus being their Lord. For Jesus says, why do you call me Lord, Lord and do not what I say?

 

[Jason0047]

Also, when you read Romans 9-10, you also have to read Romans 11:22 that says,

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

 

[dcontroversal]

So if I don't believe in a doctrine that allows for one to sin and still be saved type belief (like with your version of the Corinthian man being saved while in sin), then it will be too late for me? Sorry, I find it hard to believe that God would condone His people in doing evil. Also, David said not for the Holy Spirit to be taken from him. If he did not believe that such a thing was possible, then he would have never said it.

Where did you see me say that God condoned anything.....thats your problem...you cant see past your own heresy to get the truth...tell me genius....Why does God use chastisement? Who does God use chastisment on? And if ONE loses salvation because of sin then what is the point of chastisment?

And your view contradicts the scriptures...............!

Chastisment is only leveled at those who are SONS in disobedience....YOU CANNOT BE LABELED a SON if your are LOST!

 

[KJB]

First, you are not reading and believing the verses I just quoted. Let's just take the more popular verse such as Matthew 6:15. Can you be forgiven and yet not forgive?

Second, nowhere did I say that we are saved by our own personal righteous deeds apart from Christ. We are saved by grace thru FAITH. However, what does true saving faith in Jesus Christ look like according to the Bible? Is it your own version of faith or is it a faith described in the Bible? Do you know that Hebrews 11 describes "faith" as both a belief and as an action?

Third, Christ does the good work in a beleiver and it is not me, you, and or that strange guy down the street. For Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Meaning, Christ saves us not only in Justification but in Sanctification, too. For when we surrender to Christ, then He can do the "good work" in you. For the Scriptures say that Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. This would be the works of the devil in a person's life.

Four, the Scriptures say that he that sins is of the devil and he that does righteousness is of God. So I would say that one's fruit in their life that comes from God is very important. For Paul says examine whether or not Christ is in a person unless they be a reprobate. 1 John 2:3 says, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

Five, usually when the New Testament talks about the "Law", it is referring to the Law of Moses and not all Law in general. For God's people are not anarchists whereby they can live however they like and yet also be saved with Jesus being their Lord. For Jesus says, why do you call me Lord, Lord and do not what I say?

Your posts have implied that the only way to salvation in addition to believing in Jesus is to achieving an great amount of obedience working deeds, otherwise, if we do not do so then we will not be in the book in heaven and we will be damned to hell. Please, let me know the verse in the Bible that lets me know how many of those obedience acts I have to accomplish in order to get my salvation earned.

Many have said that because we are believing in Jesus, we hold Him in our hearts, then that will shine the light in our bodies and we will do good deeds, we will follow the commandments to please our Father, our one God. That is our salvation through grace and faith, the grace we read in the Bible and the faith in those words written in the Bible.

God bless you brother, I'm off for the morning (time: 0230).

-Kim

 

[JGIG]

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the LIFE. Jesus alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16). Knowing Jesus and the Father is the source of one's eternal life. If one is not abiding with the Father and Jesus, then they have no eternal life abiding in them.


How can you get the Father and the Son to abide in you so that you may know them and have eternal life?



Obey the words of the Lord. For...

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23).

What are some words by Jesus?

In Matthew 6:15, Jesus gives us words about how if we do not forgive, then we will not be forgiven.

In Matthew 18:9, Jesus gives us words that say that if our eye offends us, it is better to pluck it out then to go thru Hell fire.

In Matthew 12:37, Jesus says by your words you will be justified and by your words, you can be condemned. For if one rejects the words of Christ, then those very words will judge them on the last day (John 12:48).

In Matthew 5:20, Jesus says your righteousness must exeed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, otherwise you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

In Matthew 5:22, Jesus says do not hate your brother without a cause, or you will be in danger of the Judgment.

Doesn't sound like Eternal Security to me. There are certain Conditions that apply for a believer to abide in Christ (Who is the source of their Eternal Salvation).

Jason, the words I highlighted in red above indicate how you misunderstand the Gospel.

We don't 'get' God to do anything.

He is not a deity to be manipulated.

Salvation is a gift; His Spirit a gift to us when we believe in the Work of and Who Jesus is. And we are sealed with His Holy Spirit (see Eph. 1).

All of the examples you gave above except for the Jn. 14 example are Jesus preaching the Law to those under the Law.

John 14 is in the context of John 13, where Jesus says this:

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.​

Even that command is provided for in the believer in by God in the Fruit of the Spirit, which is love.

The believer loves. The believer forgives, not to be forgiven, or to 'get' God to forgive him/her, but because he/she IS forgiven!

The righteousness of those in Christ DOES exceed that of the Pharisees because it is not OUR righteousness, but GOD'S righteousness, given in Christ (see Rom. 5, 2 Cor. 5).

If you really believe that Christ was speaking to the Body of Christ when He preached about eye-plucking and hand-chopping, I have to ask you - are you typing one-handed? Reading this with one eye? Are you going to sit there and tell me that neither has offended you since you were saved?

Your posts make me sad because I believe you really do love God and are saved. But you've latched on to some really bad teaching. One day, when it all comes crashing down on you, crushing you, I pray you will remember all of us Grace Folk who kept pointing you to Jesus and His Work; not only His ability, but His willingness to sustain you even in the midst of the messes you find yourself in.

Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG

 

[Jason0047]

Also, as for Matthew 19:26: Well, actually, Matthew 19:26 is proof that one can stop sinning by the power of God and it is not proof of being saved while disobeying God's commands in the New Testament. For when Jesus said it is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God, his disciples marveled at who then could be saved. This is showing that is the Lord who is the One who will work in them to keep His laws and statutes (See Ezekiel 36:26-27).

 

[Jason0047]

Jason, the words I highlighted in red above indicate how you misunderstand the Gospel.

We don't 'get' God to do anything.

He is not a deity to be manipulated.

Salvation is a gift; His Spirit a gift to us when we believe in the Work of and Who Jesus is. And we are sealed with His Holy Spirit (see Eph. 1).

All of the examples you gave above except for the Jn. 14 example are Jesus preaching the Law to those under the Law.

John 14 is in the context of John 13, where Jesus says this:

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.​

Even that command is provided for in the believer in by God in the Fruit of the Spirit, which is love.

The believer loves. The believer forgives, not to be forgiven, or to 'get' God to forgive him/her, but because he/she IS forgiven!

The righteousness of those in Christ DOES exceed that of the Pharisees because it is not OUR righteousness, but GOD'S righteousness, given in Christ (see Rom. 5, 2 Cor. 5).

If you really believe that Christ was speaking to the Body of Christ when He preached about eye-plucking and hand-chopping, I have to ask you - are you typing one-handed? Reading this with one eye? Are you going to sit there and tell me that neither has offended you since you were saved?

Your posts make me sad because I believe you really do love God and are saved. But you've latched on to some really bad teaching. One day, when it all comes crashing down on you, crushing you, I pray you will remember all of us Grace Folk who kept pointing you to Jesus and His Work; not only His ability, but His willingness to sustain you even in the midst of the messes you find yourself in.

Grace and peace to you,
-JGIG

Yes, Christ was preaching to the body of Christ (Because his disciples would be a part of that body). How do I know? Paul says in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing. Second, John 14:23 can be found in other places in the Bible (See 1 John 2:24). Jesus said his mother, and his brothers are those who do the will of the Father. Jesus says his friends and if you love him, then you will keep his commands. So no. My understanding of the Bible is just fine. Also, you quote a verse that refutes your belief, too. Men shall know that you are his disciple IF....IF.... you love one another. But what happens if you do not love one another? Can the brethren hate each other and be saved? Well, according to 1 John 3:15, if a believer hates his brother he is a murderer, and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes, Christ was preaching to the body of Christ. How do I know? Paul says in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing. Second, John 14:23 can be found in other places in the Bible (See 1 John 2:24). Jesus said his mother, and his brothers are those who do the will of the Father. Jesus says his friends and if you love him, then you will keep his commands. So no. My understanding of the Bible is just fine.

Actually it is not fine....you teach a false gospel.....one that has no power to save as you add things that are not there and set qualifications for salvation that are not found.....and place stipulations upon people that the Lord did not lay upon them......you know...your own coined gospel from burger king theology.......Salvation lite....is that with a diet coke and an order of fries!

 

[Jason0047]

Actually it is not fine....you teach a false gospel.....one that has no power to save as you add things that are not there and set qualifications for salvation that are not found.....and place stipulations upon people that the Lord did not lay upon them......you know...your own coined gospel from burger king theology.......Salvation lite....is that with a diet coke and an order of fries!

Your words do not really mean anything unless you can explain the verses properly that I had brought forth.

 

[Jason0047]

Also, we know that Christ's words during his Earthly ministry were for the entire world because after his resurrection, he told his disciples to preach the gospel unto every creature and to make disciples in all nations.

 

[dcontroversal]

Your words do not really mean anything unless you can explain the verses properly that I had brought forth.

Many have explained them....you just refuse to see the truth as you have been blinded by your salvation lite psuedo gospel!

 

[Jason0047]

Your posts have implied that the only way to salvation in addition to believing in Jesus is to achieving an great amount of obedience working deeds, otherwise, if we do not do so then we will not be in the book in heaven and we will be damned to hell. Please, let me know the verse in the Bible that lets me know how many of those obedience acts I have to accomplish in order to get my salvation earned.

Many have said that because we are believing in Jesus, we hold Him in our hearts, then that will shine the light in our bodies and we will do good deeds, we will follow the commandments to please our Father, our one God. That is our salvation through grace and faith, the grace we read in the Bible and the faith in those words written in the Bible.

God bless you brother, I'm off for the morning (time: 0230).

-Kim

First, I do not believe in Works Salvationism.

Second, you are not addressing the verses that I specifically brought up.

Anyways, may God bless you, too.

 

[Jason0047]

Many have explained them....you just refuse to see the truth as you have been blinded by your salvation lite psuedo gospel!

Really? Where?

 

[dcontroversal]

Really? Where?

??????? Really........if you really mean that...it tells me you are out of your mind....everytime you bring up your false gospel someone corrects you with scripture and you consistently reject them ALL!

 

[ladylynn]

Really? Where?

Jason, this is a good article for you to read. It goes to the questions you mentioned. I hope you read it to the end and post what you think of it.

The Gospel is the most basic, foundational message of the New Testament, yet it’s the most misunderstood. Today’s religious system is not preaching the same Gospel that Paul did. They mix it with the Law, and that isn’t the Gospel at all.

The book of Romans was written to explain the Gospel so that anybody could understand it. Paul, the writer, made it so simple that you’d have to have somebody help you to misunderstand it. And, unfortunately, we’ve had a lot of help!

Paul started off with this statement in Romans 1:16:

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

That is a radical statement. This word “gospel” in the original Greek is a word that was seldom used at the time this was written. Nobody talked this way, because the word literally means nearly-too-good-to-be-true news. It referred to news that was so awesome, nothing really justified using it. Nothing was nearly too good to be true.

But Paul said he was not ashamed of the Gospel. Why? “For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” The Gospel is the power of God, and that’s talking about grace. Acts 20:24 and Galatians 1:6 both use the terms “gospel” and “grace” interchangeably. It’s saying that when you understand the Gospel, or the grace of God, it’ll release the power of God into your life. That’s huge!

The next verse in Romans 1 says,

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Notice that righteousness is not revealed from Law to Law, from good deed to good deed—it’s revealed from faith to faith. Here’s a good piece of information to consider: Sin won’t stop the power of God for salvation in your life but trusting in your own good works will. That’s what “the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith” means. You receive the righteousness of God by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8)! God won’t withdraw His power because of sin in your life. That’s why it’s nearly-too-good-to-be-true news.

When you talk like this, people with a religious mindset immediately say, “Well, what about sin? This sounds like you’re just giving people a license to sin.” Not so! Last I checked, people were sinning without a license! I’m not advocating sin. But, see, this is the immediate reaction when you start talking about righteousness by faith. They think you need to make people aware of their sin and the wrath of God.

But that’s why Paul said in the next verses,

For the wrath of God is [already] revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Romans 1:18-19, brackets mine
​

Notice it says it’s manifest in them, not to them, for God has shown it unto them. God has put in every single person who has ever breathed an intuitive knowledge that they are a sinner and that they deserve rejection instead of acceptance. You don’t need to tell people this; they already know it.

We aren’t called to convict people of their sin but to convince them that the only way they can obtain righteousness, or right standing, with God is through putting faith in what Jesus did for them, not through something they’ve done. That’s why I spend so much of my time on this, and it’s what many of my teaching materials are devoted to.

Let’s look at Luke 18:9-14 to verify this:

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This is a powerful parable. Let me ask you: Are you like the Pharisee or the publican? I’m not talking about your actions but your trust. Do you trust in what you do for the Lord or what He has done for you? If a person is putting faith in all of their religious acts—all of their holiness—then that will actually block them from righteousness and relationship with God. But the person who maybe hasn’t been as good, yet they’ve humbled themselves and cried out to God, this is the one who enters into right standing with God.

That’s what it says in Romans 9:30-32a:

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. [31] But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. [32]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.

This says there are two types of righteousness: a faith righteousness and a righteousness that comes by the Law. Righteousness by the Law is a righteousness based on performance. Another way to say it is “self-righteousness.” The truth is, nobody can perform well enough to get Law righteousness, because the Bible says in Isaiah 64:6 that “all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.” And James 2:10 says that if you keep the Law and yet offend in one point, you are guilty of breaking the entire thing. In other words, if you did ninety-nine out of a hundred things right and one thing wrong, according to the Law of righteousness, you would be unrighteous. BUT! If you put your faith in Jesus, you would receive His righteousness—faith righteousness—even though you did ninety-nine out of a hundred things wrong! What a deal!

There are many people today who wouldn’t consider themselves to be seeking after Law righteousness, but they really are. Their only hope of entering into heaven instead of hell is that they go to church, they try to be good, they live up to some standard of morality. That’s what this is talking about when it says the Jews weren’t seeking righteousness by faith but by the Law. They were trying to earn what God had given as a gift.

The rest of Romans 9:32 says,

For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.

It is offensive to people, particularly if they have a lot of holy actions to their names, when you tell them that all their good deeds don’t make them righteous before God.Then when you tell them sinners who only put faith in God are more righteous than they are (Matt. 21:28-32), that really puts them over the top!

They say, “You mean I’m not any better than the person who’s been out living in sin?”

That’s exactly what I’m saying. That’s exactly what Paul and Jesus said.

“Well, what have I been doing all this for?”

Good deeds will help you, to a degree, in your relationships with people, but they won’t give you any clout with God. You could have more holy acts than anyone you know, but who wants to be the best sinner who ever went to hell? All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23).

We need a Savior! The only thing we have to offer is faith. We just believe the nearly-too-good-to-be-true news that Jesus died for us and paid a debt we couldn’t pay and gave us a righteousness we couldn’t earn. It’s faith righteousness!

“Well, I believe in Jesus, but I believe I also have to live holy to be accepted by God.”

That’s saying Jesus’ payment for sin wasn’t enough—that you have to add to what Jesus has done—and I believe that is the greatest sin of all! Jesus either paid for it all, or He paid for nothing at all! It’s not Jesus plus you; it’s Jesus or you! It’s not you doing the best you can and then Jesus making up the difference with grace and mercy. If you try to mix the two, you have totally polluted what Jesus has done. It’s either faith righteousness or your righteousness, but not a combination of the two (Rom. 11:6).

It takes a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit to be able to understand this. But once you do, it’ll transform the way that you view God, the way that you relate to God, and the way that you receive from God. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I encourage you to just humble yourself and ask God for a supernatural revelation of this truth. It’s tremendous.

When you truly get a hold of the grace of God, I guarantee you, it sets you free fromsin, not free to sin. You’ll wind up living holier accidentally than you ever have on purpose. You’ll serve God out of love stricter and stronger than you ever would have out of legalism.

Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free (John 8:32). It’s not truth that sets you free; it’s the truth you know that sets you free. But before you can know it, you’ve got to hear it. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (Rom. 10:17).

 

[Jason0047]

Where did you see me say that God condoned anything.....thats your problem...you cant see past your own heresy to get the truth...tell me genius....Why does God use chastisement? Who does God use chastisment on? And if ONE loses salvation because of sin then what is the point of chastisment?

And your view contradicts the scriptures...............!

Chastisment is only leveled at those who are SONS in disobedience....YOU CANNOT BE LABELED a SON if your are LOST!

So you are going to play the Chastisement card? Okay, how does that work according to your wrong understanding of 1 John 1:8 that says you will always be in sin?