Comparing Absalom to Lucifer

Saladin · Jul 16, 2015

Absalom was the most handsome man in all Israel.

2 Samuel 14:25
In all Israel there was not a man so highly praised for his handsome appearance as Absalom. From the top of his head to the sole of his foot there was no blemish in him.

Lucifer was perfect in beauty.

Ezekiel 28:12-13
"Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.

Absalom stole the hearts of all the people of Israel.

2 Samuel 15:6
Absalom behaved in this way toward all the Israelites who came to the king asking for justice, and so he stole the hearts of the people of Israel.

Lucifer convinced 1/3 of the angels in Heaven to turn against their Creator.

Revelation 12:4
Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.

Absalom started a rebellion against his father, David, and tried to take his place on the throne.

2 Samuel 15:13-14
A messenger came and told David, “The hearts of the people of Israel are with Absalom.”
Then David said to all his officials who were with him in Jerusalem, “Come! We must flee, or none of us will escape from
Absalom. We must leave immediately, or he will move quickly to overtake us and bring ruin on us and put the city to the sword.”

Lucifer started a rebellion in Heaven, and tried to take over Yahweh's throne.

Isaiah 14:13-14
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Saladin · Jul 16, 2015

I feel like the story of Absalom's rebellion was meant to foreshadow what happened in the past, with Lucifer. The Bible doesn't go into great detail about the war in heaven. It's just mentioned vaguely in several different books. But when you read Absalom's story with these similarities in mind, you can learn a few more things about what it must of been like.

crossnote · Jul 16, 2015

David wept for Absalom as our Heavenly Father weeps for us when we rebel and go astray.

2 Samuel 18:33 (KJV) And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!

David would never act that way to satan.

Saladin · Jul 16, 2015

That part makes me wonder if Yah also wept when he lost Lucifer. Although he is evil, and wants to destroy us, he was the most beautiful of the angels. Being betrayed by your most beautiful creation must have been very saddening.

crossnote · Jul 16, 2015

Saladin said:

Perhaps, but His love did not go so far that He became an angel to redeem the angels as He did for mankind.

angel007 · Jul 16, 2015

Good topic...

Ecc 1:9-10 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Just as the sun and moon and such rises each day and night, generations go and come, each putting in their labor also within every generation we see those with greed and power, it's always repeating itself. We eat each day, brush our teeth each day performing daily activities, wars come and go, and history also has a way of repeating itself.

Personally and this is only my opinion, others may not agree, but I believe there is a story to be seen and told throughout the stories we find in the Bible. Even satan has a way of repeating himself in the way he has worked through so many. Also trying to rise one kingdom after another, so in the last half of the Tribulation period, he will work no differently in attempting to rise one last empire.

Thats just my humbled opinion.

Saladin · Jul 16, 2015

There's actually a lot of finds like this that can be found throughout the scriptures. Stories that relate to other stories.

Another example woud be the one where Abraham went to sacrifice Issac. You could say that it foreshadows the sacrifice that Yahweh woud make in the future, by sacrificing his Son for the sins of the world. The central theme of the New Testament, a Father making the ultimate sacrifice, is found in the first book of the Bible.

InSpiritInTruth · Jul 16, 2015

There are a lot of types and shadows of Both God and Satan shown in the characteristics of many men in scripture. Like Pharaoh of Egypt is symbolized as a dragon, the King of Tyre is symbolized as the covering cherub, and the King of Babylon is symbolized as Lucifer. This is done to show who they are "of" spiritually, just as Jesus told the brood of vipers of His day they were "of" their father the Devil.

Just as David was born again "of" Gods Spirit when anointed, and was a symbolism of Christ being a man after God's own heart. Absalom was a similitude of Satan, being a man who did the desires of his father the Devil. And there are several important messages found in the story of Absalom and David, one of which you touched on above, but is important for us to be on guard of today. Notice how Absalom drew the peoples hearts away from David by being a mediator, or go between....

2 Samuel 15:2-6 "And Absalom rose up early, and stood beside the way of the gate: and it was so, that when any man that had a controversy came to the king for judgment, then Absalom called unto him, and said, Of what city art thou? And he said, Thy servant is of one of the tribes of Israel.[SUP]3 [/SUP]And Absalom said unto him, See, thy matters are good and right; but there is no man deputed of the king to hear thee.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Absalom said moreover, Oh that I were made judge in the land, that every man which hath any suit or cause might come unto me, and I would do him justice!
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And it was so, that when any man came nigh to him to do him obeisance, he put forth his hand, and took him, and kissed him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And on this manner did Absalom to all Israel that came to the king for judgment: so Absalom stole the hearts of the men of Israel."

This is exactly what some men do today in the man made church system by placing themselves in the positions of a go between in the place of our King Jesus Christ. Here is a prime example, the Pope is called the Vicar of Christ="earthly representative of God or Christ"

We even see the kissing of the hand....

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

angel007 · Jul 16, 2015

Everything about the Tabernacle of Moses and Temple of Solomon, each piece of furniture, the inner court, outer court, the Holy of Holies, the Veil for Jesus is our mediator, He stands between us and the Father making intercession for us, all of it was a shadow of what Jesus was going to do and is to us.

Another one I sit some times and consider the Image of the Beast in Daniel 2. That image is made up of the Babylonian Empire, Medo-Persian Empire, Grecian Empire, Roman Empire. There are many members of this image. Thank about it, the Body of Christ has many members, one body and we make up the church. Sort of like satan is trying to imitate Christ, many members but yet one body and it will make up an evil empire. A good example to see this is Rev.13

GodIsSalvation · Jul 16, 2015

Satan is not lucifer, nor is or was Satan ever an angel though he pretends to be one to trick people. Satan is an animal, even a dragon it is written, and there is no light in him. Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 are not about Satan, but are about the Prince of Tyre, the King of Tyre, Tyre itself, and the King of Babylon.

Nevertheless, this is a good topic of study indeed for there are indeed some parallels between the King of Tyre and King of Babylon and Absalom. Notice also the parallels between David and the Lord, for David was a man after God's own heart. David had to fight against Absalom but he did not wish him killed, and even wanted his soldiers to spare him. Just the same as how even though the Lord had to destroy Tyre he also speaks fairly of the King of Tyre even comparing him to a cherub and having given him great riches and wisdom. As you have referenced also just like the King of Babylon sought to ascend to and conquer heaven, so too did Absalom seek to take David's throne.

One of the best parallels is also David's famous lament for Absalom after his death, and how the prophecy spake by Ezekiel is also a lament that God makes over the King of Tyre.

Angela53510 · Jul 16, 2015

Absalom was a man and Lucifer was a fallen angel. Two totally different classes of beings.

Absalom had the hope of delliverance, Lucifer did not. It doesn't matter how bad Absalom was, he could have repented. Lucifer could not.

Alhough I agree there are many examples of foreshadowing, and types, especially of Jesus Christ, I do not think this is an example that qualifies.

Stranger36147 · Jul 16, 2015

When I first read the title, I thought it said comparing Abraham to Lucifer.

angel007 · Jul 16, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

Hi GodIsSalvation

Hmm, we'll have to agree to disagree right here, satan and lucifer are one and the same. Jesus has spoken this of satan... "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Luke 10:18 Satan here has fallen from heaven... Is.14:12, lucifer has fallen from heaven. Rev.12:9 and Rev.20:2 both verses speak of satan, who is also called the dragon and the devil, satan is also called 'that old serpent' which is speaking about the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Going to Eze.28:12 and 13, God is telling Ezekial to take up lamentation over the king of Tyre but God is actually speaking of Lucifer, because its his spirit that is about the king of Tyre. God had said, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God". So we see where lucifer and satan has both been in Eden. Lucifer was created a beautiful cherub but in his fall he has become known by many names and a few of them are satan, the devil, that old serpent, a dragon and much more. There is actully much more to all this, but won't go any further on this particular subject.

God Bless you GodIsSalvation

GodIsSalvation · Jul 16, 2015

angel007 said:

Nay, for Isaiah 14 says the prophecy is about the King of Babylon and Ezekiel 28 about the King of Tyre, Prince of Tyre, and Tyre.

Furthermore the Bible says Satan pretends to be an angel (2 Corinthians 11:14). Satan cannot be an angel and pretend to be an angel. That be illogical.

The first mention of Satan is Genesis 3 wherein it says he is a serpent, even more specifically a created beast of the field, which is an animal. In the old english tongue serpent is another word for dragon. We also see in the last mention of Satan and his ultimate destined defeat that his true form is identified as a dragon. Furthermore right there as you have said all the titles of the dragon are laid bare in Revelation, he is called Satan (which means adversary) and Devil (which means liar). You will notice never in the Bible does it refer to Satan as an angel, nor does it refer to him as lucifer. The title Lucifer means lightbearer or dawnbringer, and trully it is written there is no light in Satan, therefore the title lucifer cannot be applicable to Satan. Also indeed Satan and 1/3 of the angels will be cast to the earth during the great tribulation as the prophecy states. Be not troubled by this but use it to your advantage.

It is actually important to understand this because throughout history Satan has indeed pretended to be an angel just like the Bible says and has deceived many with that old trick, it is even the origin for many false religions in existence today such as mormonism and islam. Now that you do know this that particular trick cannot be effected upon you.

May your shield be strengthened to quench the darts of enemy.

Magenta · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

He is an angel of darkness, not masquerading as an angel, but as an angel of light.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Magenta said:

Nay, not an angel at all, but an animal, even a dragon. Simply look at the first mention, Genesis 3:1 says plainly the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. Also see Revelation 12. You will never find one passage in the Bible that explicitly says Satan is an angel, but only that he masquerades as one.

Nevertheless, let us go back to the parallels between Absalom and David and the King of Tyre and God. For this is indeed a very interesting study I had not thought before.

The parallels of the wickedness of Absalom and the King of Tyre are all ready well established in the OP. However, I find interesting here the parallels between David and God in their reactions to the fall of both these men. Notice both lament over the demise of the two men. For it is written that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but wishes all would turn back to him.

Ezekiel 28:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

2 Samuel 18:33

[SUP]33 [/SUP]And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!

Tintin · Jul 17, 2015

Saladin said:

You can foreshadow something that happened in the past, because 'foreshadow' means to point forward.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Tintin said:

Lol I think you mean you can't foreshadow something that happened in the past Tin. It's like telling a prophecy about something that all ready happened, just doesn't make sense. Though if you think about it Absalom's rebellion and fall came before the prophecies and fulfillments of the prophecies of the fall of both the King of Babylon and the King and Prince of Tyre as well as the historically infamous kingdom of Sidon. Though I don't think Absalom's demise was a prophecy of it, but indeed there are some parallels between to them and of course common themes which are prevalent throughout the Bible about the nature of good and evil, God and how he deals with man, the nature of prophecy (for Absalom's rebellion and demise was foretold earlier in 2 Samuel 12:11-12 by the Lord through Nathan the prophet), and so forth.

Tintin · Jul 17, 2015

GodIsSalvation said:

Lol I think you mean you can't foreshadow something that happened in the past Tin. It's like telling a prophecy about something that all ready happened, just doesn't make sense. Though if you think about it Absalom's rebellion and fall came before the prophecies and fulfillments of the prophecies of the fall of both the King of Babylon and the King and Prince of Tyre as well as the historically infamous kingdom of Sidon. Though I don't think Absalom's demise was a prophecy of it, but indeed there are some parallels between to them and of course common themes which are prevalent throughout the Bible about the nature of good and evil, God and how he deals with man, the nature of prophecy (for Absalom's rebellion and demise was foretold earlier in 2 Samuel 12:11-12 by the Lord through Nathan the prophet), and so forth.

Oh, bother. Sorry. Yes, you're right. 'Can't', not 'can'.

GodIsSalvation · Jul 17, 2015

Tintin said:

Lol it's all good, the computer I am using doesn't always key in the letters thus causing typos (though I have got pretty quick at hitting that edit button.)

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