Disproving Biblical Infallibility 101
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I agree wholly sir, yet it bolsters my question: if this is true, and it appears so, then how can we be sure this is not the pervasive process in which the whole was constructed? If there are some mistakes within the RESSURECTION account, how can we say there are none elsewhere?? Which also bolster my position that we have a doctrinal issue at hand! Whom can say with any certainty that any scripture is 100% accurate? And what doctrine can be stood on as 100% pure?? Notably because we have not the ORIGINAL scriptures written, only 3rd hand copies, Amen?
Since this is an obvious trolling post I thought I would share this here
A brief tutorial in trolling Christians.
1. Post crude and disrespectful memes depicting Jesus in some inappropriate manner
2. bombard Christians with pseudo intellectual drivel. Be sure to heavily emphasise Science vs blind faith
3. Ask vague philosophical questions that no one can answer. This will make you appear more enlightened in the eyes of your fellow atheists colleagues.
3. Criticize Christians for not living up to their biblical standards meanwhile never admitting that you sometimes make mistakes and fall short of your own personal Ideals
4. Pull scriptures out of their context in order to point out discrepancies in the Bible
5. Call Christians blind followers and accuse them of being narrow minded.
6. Finally, suggest that they free their minds of mental slavery by simply conforming to your way of thought.
A brief tutorial in trolling Christians.
1. Post crude and disrespectful memes depicting Jesus in some inappropriate manner
2. bombard Christians with pseudo intellectual drivel. Be sure to heavily emphasise Science vs blind faith
3. Ask vague philosophical questions that no one can answer. This will make you appear more enlightened in the eyes of your fellow atheists colleagues.
3. Criticize Christians for not living up to their biblical standards meanwhile never admitting that you sometimes make mistakes and fall short of your own personal Ideals
4. Pull scriptures out of their context in order to point out discrepancies in the Bible
5. Call Christians blind followers and accuse them of being narrow minded.
6. Finally, suggest that they free their minds of mental slavery by simply conforming to your way of thought.
Everone here can see the holes in your argumental position- however, it does not change the truth- these two accounts do not agree. At all. Lets narrow it down a little and maybe help you grasp it....in one account they grab Jesus by the feet, in the other they are not allowed to touch Him- this is a direct contradiction. Please explain.
MAYBE- just MAYBE- ive studied my heart out and i cannot explain it away on my own so i risked persecution amongst some of the most faithful in order to be taught. I am seeking to be taught...I am seeking truth, but i also am blessed with cognitive ability to recognize differences in sequential events....and there ARE differences within the ressurection story that actually holds HUGE ramifications for our modern approach to scripture, infallibility. It debunks the "infallible" doctrine, therby making the word fallible. Thereby we can only know Jesus, BORN DIED AND RESSURECTED- and nothing more....
Well the problem is that they really have no interest in our beliefs. They like to come in here and try to point out apparent discrepancies in our Bible in some futile attempt to pick a part our beliefs. Some of them claim they are just here to learn but if they were just here to learn and I would sit quietly and listen and not feel the need to broadcast their atheism. This would be the equivalent of me going to a Jewish website and start talking about I think Hitler was a good guy
Your hell bent on proving me an athiest- when ive notably stated many times that i am a devout believer in the Lord Jesus Christ? Your just mad because you cannot answer my doctrinal question without having to rethink your "bible infallible" doctrinal position- which is WRONG.
What part of learning is done by NOT ASKING QUESTIONS? Uhh- NONE.
AND- just because you cant teach the willing doesn't mean that some are not here to learn- it means YOU are unable to teach on the subject due to lack if ability or vision.
What part of learning is done by NOT ASKING QUESTIONS? Uhh- NONE.
AND- just because you cant teach the willing doesn't mean that some are not here to learn- it means YOU are unable to teach on the subject due to lack if ability or vision.
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I'm pretty disappointed in how people are responding in this thread. It's not really fresh news that accounts in the Bible contradict one-another. It's pretty clear that OP believes in the Bible AND Jesus' Resurrection. Hes simply wanting to know why accounts in the Bible contradict one-another if the Bible is supposed to be free of error. I always wondered about this too but in regards to the contradicting accounts of the exorcism in
Matthew 8
28: And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Mark 5
1: And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2: And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Luke 8
26: And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
27: And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
So was it one possessed man or 2?
To OP's question, I have no answer at this time, and I'm ok with that. It doesn't shake my faith in any kind of way. We are talking about translated documents that trace back thousands of years.
I do believe that Christ was resurrected and I do believe that demons were driven into swine, I just don't know all of the details.
Matthew 8
28: And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Mark 5
1: And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
2: And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
Luke 8
26: And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
27: And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
So was it one possessed man or 2?
To OP's question, I have no answer at this time, and I'm ok with that. It doesn't shake my faith in any kind of way. We are talking about translated documents that trace back thousands of years.
I do believe that Christ was resurrected and I do believe that demons were driven into swine, I just don't know all of the details.
Do you have any interest in learning about Buddhism? If you don't then you have no business going to a Buddhist site. Quite a bit of athiests that come here, come because they are curious about Christianity. Don't try to sit there and say ALL are trolls. The trolls that do come here, more often than not are the same person just creating different accounts. And so what if someone is an atheist or a "troll". They're still our brother and sisters in Christ. And we are to treat them as such.
I don't think it really has any doctrinal implications. Even though you are dealing with a document where details get scrambled, the big pictures coincide with one-another. There are no huge teachings (from what I can tell) behind the details of the Resurrection story. Just the fact that Jesus was resurrected is the big deal (and the thing that coincides in all stories). Same thing with the man (or 2 men) who was/were demon possessed. Does it matter how many men were possessed? Nope. What matters is that it was witnessed that Jesus drove out demons. Most of the time, important parts of the Bible aren't just stated once. They are stated many times, in many different books. Look at the 10 commandments for example, they could have just been mentioned once, but instead, we see them being restated over and over and over again throughout the OT in many different forms/places.
Are there minor contradictions in the Bible concerning things that have no impact on its real teachings and messages? It appears so.
Are there ANY contradictions concerning important parts of the Bible such as real lessons and important beliefs found within the Bible? None that I can find.
I hope this answer helps man.
Peace
Are there minor contradictions in the Bible concerning things that have no impact on its real teachings and messages? It appears so.
Are there ANY contradictions concerning important parts of the Bible such as real lessons and important beliefs found within the Bible? None that I can find.
I hope this answer helps man.
Peace