Woman position ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-37)
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Isn't great we don't have to follow legalistic laws to be saved in Jesus? 
You are a foolish girl who errs in not knowing the distinction between legalism and the precepts of God which we are instructed to obey....THIS IS WORSHIP, not happy sing songs. You would do well to learn to READ your bible and conform your opinions to what the scripture says.
You are a foolish girl who errs in not knowing the distinction between legalism and the precepts of God which we are instructed to obey....THIS IS WORSHIP, not happy sing songs. You would do well to learn to READ your bible and conform your opinions to what the scripture says.
Unfortunately, your theology is missing the point of this Scripture.
Take your eyes off your flesh dying and realize that you are new creation. And because you are a new creation you do the things of the Lord. Dying to yourself is living to God in you. You are not obeying to be a new creation. You are obeying because you are one. Renewing of the mind is to agree with this reality. Let me point out which Scripture you're missing in the context...
Here's the key to renewing your mind:
Eph 4:20But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22to put off your old self,[SUP]f[/SUP] which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
You see people as righteous and holy. Exactly like bowharp said.
Here's the points of Scripture you've missed:
Rom 8:1-15. "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
You're teaching only ensnares people to think carnally. Because you tell them they are still the flesh and to die to it. Instead of telling them are dead to it. As far as your militant approach to women pastors, you've also conveniently left out the teaching that there is no male/female in Christ. And that Paul was replying to a letter written to him, and that the Greek shows that the woman is "wife" a WOMAN is not subject to all men, only her husband. Men don't have authority over all woman because they are a man. That's poor theology and hermaneutics. And has caused MANY issues.
Also you don't seem to understand what In the Spirit means because none of your responses account for us to be taught by the Spirit Himself even though Scripture clearly says we have no teacher, but Him. And Scripture says it those who are lead by the SPIRIT that are sons of God.
As far as knowing people according to the flesh.. let's take a peek at that:
1 Co 5:16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.…
So just like you want to command people by what Paul says I do the same to you: Stop regarding people according to the flesh. You have a massive post count and people see you as important, bowharp decided to bow out gracefully, but it was you who should have done that. Represent Christ well. Sorry for any harsh tone, but your responses to newer Christians are not encouraging at all. Read 1 Co 14. That's how you build up the Church. If that is your intention.
However I do believe in the following Scripture:
Romans 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
So I leave the rest to Him.
C.
Take your eyes off your flesh dying and realize that you are new creation. And because you are a new creation you do the things of the Lord. Dying to yourself is living to God in you. You are not obeying to be a new creation. You are obeying because you are one. Renewing of the mind is to agree with this reality. Let me point out which Scripture you're missing in the context...
Here's the key to renewing your mind:
Eph 4:20But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22to put off your old self,[SUP]f[/SUP] which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
You see people as righteous and holy. Exactly like bowharp said.
Here's the points of Scripture you've missed:
Rom 8:1-15. "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God." "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
You're teaching only ensnares people to think carnally. Because you tell them they are still the flesh and to die to it. Instead of telling them are dead to it. As far as your militant approach to women pastors, you've also conveniently left out the teaching that there is no male/female in Christ. And that Paul was replying to a letter written to him, and that the Greek shows that the woman is "wife" a WOMAN is not subject to all men, only her husband. Men don't have authority over all woman because they are a man. That's poor theology and hermaneutics. And has caused MANY issues.
Also you don't seem to understand what In the Spirit means because none of your responses account for us to be taught by the Spirit Himself even though Scripture clearly says we have no teacher, but Him. And Scripture says it those who are lead by the SPIRIT that are sons of God.
As far as knowing people according to the flesh.. let's take a peek at that:
1 Co 5:16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. 17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.…
So just like you want to command people by what Paul says I do the same to you: Stop regarding people according to the flesh. You have a massive post count and people see you as important, bowharp decided to bow out gracefully, but it was you who should have done that. Represent Christ well. Sorry for any harsh tone, but your responses to newer Christians are not encouraging at all. Read 1 Co 14. That's how you build up the Church. If that is your intention.
However I do believe in the following Scripture:
Romans 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
So I leave the rest to Him.
C.
Well said Psalm. This is an absolutely ridiculous reply...
"You are a foolish girl who errs in not knowing the distinction between legalism and the precepts of God which we are instructed to obey....THIS IS WORSHIP, not happy sing songs. You would do well to learn to READ your bible and conform your opinions to what the scripture says."
And should not be celebrated. It's against so many things in Scripture that I shouldn't even need to address them. It is arrogant, dismissive, critical, harsh, and not wholesome in anyway. And it's actually wrong too. It doesn't even follow the directions she says others should follow. Conform your OWN opinions to Scripture. Here's 2. I can give you many more.
Colossians 3:8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
1 Thessalonians 5:11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
I don't like correcting people, but just like Jesus protected His disciples from Pharisees I think we should as well.
C.
"You are a foolish girl who errs in not knowing the distinction between legalism and the precepts of God which we are instructed to obey....THIS IS WORSHIP, not happy sing songs. You would do well to learn to READ your bible and conform your opinions to what the scripture says."
And should not be celebrated. It's against so many things in Scripture that I shouldn't even need to address them. It is arrogant, dismissive, critical, harsh, and not wholesome in anyway. And it's actually wrong too. It doesn't even follow the directions she says others should follow. Conform your OWN opinions to Scripture. Here's 2. I can give you many more.
Colossians 3:8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
1 Thessalonians 5:11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
I don't like correcting people, but just like Jesus protected His disciples from Pharisees I think we should as well.
C.
I am curious as to why you would chose to completely ignore all of the qualifies that are connected to verses one and two. Although salvation is a free gift it is not without conditions. It never has been. The setting of the mind on either the things of the Spirit or of the flesh represent an epistemological shift. A shifting of the platform or base for knowledge and behavior. Apostasy then is walking according to the flesh. It is a shifting of our belief structure away from the word of God. This was always Israel's sin and this is the warning that the Hebrew writer extends to us which is emphasized by Paul in saying, "we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
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John 3:14-21King James Version (KJV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
When we go back and read the account of Moses raising up the serpent in the wilderness, WHICH JESUS HIMSELF, EQUATES TO HIMSELF, what is the "conditions" the Israelites had to do to be saved from DEATH from the bite of the fiery snakes?
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
When we go back and read the account of Moses raising up the serpent in the wilderness, WHICH JESUS HIMSELF, EQUATES TO HIMSELF, what is the "conditions" the Israelites had to do to be saved from DEATH from the bite of the fiery snakes?
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Exactly! ALL that was required was that they believe what Moses told them. Now it was probably easy for them to believe since they were in pain and many were visibly dying in front of them. Would that we could see instantly how sin is killing us and people are dying around us of it. There were NO other conditions beside belief. Grace and peace to you.
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Isn't great we don't have to follow legalistic laws to be saved in Jesus?
You are a foolish girl who errs in not knowing the distinction between legalism and the precepts of God which we are instructed to obey....THIS IS WORSHIP, not happy sing songs. You would do well to learn to READ your bible and conform your opinions to what the scripture says.
You are a foolish girl who errs in not knowing the distinction between legalism and the precepts of God which we are instructed to obey....THIS IS WORSHIP, not happy sing songs. You would do well to learn to READ your bible and conform your opinions to what the scripture says.
Okay...this is completely lacking in logic. How is it possible that the gift if FREE but "not without conditions?"
Free means free.
Unless you want to pretend that the scriptural meaning of "free" is limited to "without monetary cost."
However, the implication that there are "conditions" to getting a free gift predisposes that the gift costs something (if it's not monetary, then it costs some other kind of measurable energy--time, work, emotion, etc.) If the gift costs something, then someone needs to make the payment (namely, the receiver of the gift). If the receiver of the gift is making payment, then
1. the gift isn't free AND
2. our salvation isn't based upon grace, but upon the proper payment for the "gift"
Consider examining the idea in a PRACTICAL way. You say to a child, "This gift is free." The child is excited. Then you say, "Oh, before you get the gift I'll just need to you do some chores"--NOT FREE. "This gift is free!" The child is excited. "Oh, before you get the gift I'll need you straighten up how you behave"--NOT FREE. "This gift is free!" The child is excited. "Oh, before you get this gift you're going to have to give me all the other gifts you've ever gotten"--NOT FREE.
Even a child could discern a con with this shell game. Is that what we really believe about God? That he's a con artist?
Here's my idea regarding the "conditions" of the gift:
If you want to believe that the gift of salvation is free...but it has "conditions" (and there is a potential argument to be made here), then it seems clear to me that scripture and the historical teachings of the church would lead us to understand that JESUS MET ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS FOR US.
Yeah...I went there.
Grace is a gift that is insanely extravagant, wildly generous, undeservingly benevolent--and totally free. In fact, this gift is so remarkable in its unrestrained and fantastical excess that it makes people very very nervous. Even Christian people who benefit from this gift. It makes them so nervous that they decide they'd rather step and shuffle with the pretense of somehow earning or deserving it, than to just sink into it.
His yoke is easy, and his burden is light.
Free means free.
Unless you want to pretend that the scriptural meaning of "free" is limited to "without monetary cost."
However, the implication that there are "conditions" to getting a free gift predisposes that the gift costs something (if it's not monetary, then it costs some other kind of measurable energy--time, work, emotion, etc.) If the gift costs something, then someone needs to make the payment (namely, the receiver of the gift). If the receiver of the gift is making payment, then
1. the gift isn't free AND
2. our salvation isn't based upon grace, but upon the proper payment for the "gift"
Consider examining the idea in a PRACTICAL way. You say to a child, "This gift is free." The child is excited. Then you say, "Oh, before you get the gift I'll just need to you do some chores"--NOT FREE. "This gift is free!" The child is excited. "Oh, before you get the gift I'll need you straighten up how you behave"--NOT FREE. "This gift is free!" The child is excited. "Oh, before you get this gift you're going to have to give me all the other gifts you've ever gotten"--NOT FREE.
Even a child could discern a con with this shell game. Is that what we really believe about God? That he's a con artist?
Here's my idea regarding the "conditions" of the gift:
If you want to believe that the gift of salvation is free...but it has "conditions" (and there is a potential argument to be made here), then it seems clear to me that scripture and the historical teachings of the church would lead us to understand that JESUS MET ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS FOR US.
Yeah...I went there.
Grace is a gift that is insanely extravagant, wildly generous, undeservingly benevolent--and totally free. In fact, this gift is so remarkable in its unrestrained and fantastical excess that it makes people very very nervous. Even Christian people who benefit from this gift. It makes them so nervous that they decide they'd rather step and shuffle with the pretense of somehow earning or deserving it, than to just sink into it.
His yoke is easy, and his burden is light.
Surely you know the difference between payment and condition. If a business is offering a free pound of coffee to the first 10 customers who visit their establishment on a given day this is a free gift of coffee, you mad no payment for it but, there were two conditions required for receiving the pound of coffee. First you had to visit the establishment and secondly, you had do so on the prescribed day. The gift was free but there were things required of you to receive it. They were not going to fedex it to you door. In scripture there are a great many passages that present conditions of salvation to us. Of course it is free. We have no power of purchase in the agreement but it is not without condition.