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The communion of the saints is not with those who have departed this life. Paganism seeks the intercession of departed souls and begs their assistance in this life.

Those who are in heaven have no knowledge of this world. They cannot bear the sinfulness of this world now that they are in the presence of the Lord and removed from sin.

For the cause of Christ
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I disagree! Plain and simple , so does the Church. The book of Revelation disagrees with you. The book of Macabees disagrees with you, hmmmm
 

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Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

Dust to dust, as the Scriptures say.

Here is an interesting page :)
 

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Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

Dust to dust, as the Scriptures say.

Here is an interesting page :)

That page came up blank. HOWEVER I think you will find these verses interesting:

Psalm 146:4 (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] His spirit departs, he returns to his earth; In that very day his plans perish.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

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Luke 16:22-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] One day the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And being in torment in Hades, he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off, with Lazarus at his side.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] ‘Father Abraham!’ he called out, ‘Have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this flame!’
 

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The problem with you mwc68 is you do not just disagree, you also attack the person for the Truth and call them a broken record.

Will believing in false Doctrines keep one out of Heaven? Yes! If that Doctrine is used by people to justify their Worship of Mary as their God!

Its not a matter of just Disagreeing on a few points of a Doctrine, its a matter of false Doctrines that were made up by the Catholic Church that deceive the Catholics into believing there is nothing wrong with Idolatry.

Praying to Mary is Idolatry which will keep a Believer from entering into Heaven.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those who practice Idolatry by Praying to Mary will not Inherit the Kingdom of God.

Who taught you that lie?

If you are one of those Name it and Claim it, Word of Faith followers, you had better read these verses.


Colossians 3:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore, put to death what belongs to your worldly nature: sexual immorality, impurity,
lust, evil desire, and greed, which is idolatry.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because of these, God’s wrath comes on the disobedient,

Intercessory PRAYER, does NOT violate the fact that CHRIST is the one Mediator between GOD and man. You OBVIOUSLY DID NOT READ THE CONTEXT:

1 Timothy 2:1-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for kings and all those who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] This is good, and it pleases God our Savior,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For there is one God and one mediator between God and humanity, Christ Jesus, Himself human,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who gave Himself—a ransom for all, a testimony at the proper time.

YOU ARE CONFUSING THE DEFINITIONS OF INTERCESSIONS AND MEDIATOR AS BEING ONE AND THE SAME. They are NOT, and you validated to me that you have never been in a Labor Union, during contract negotiations, or you would KNOW what a Mediator does.

Intercessions in the GREEK is enteuxis which your will find is intercessions related prayer, something we are all COMMANDED TO DO.

Mediator in the Greek is mesitēs which is from <G3319> (mesos); a go-between
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.


YOU ARE READING INTO THOSE VERSES SOMETHING THAT JUST IS NOT THERE, AND THEN PRONOUNCING A SENTENCE UPON THEM TO BANISHMENT FROM HEAVEN, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN. YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHO GOES TO HEAVEN AND WHO DOES NOT.

The Catholics believe in praying for one another, and I just showed you that Paul commanded it. They also have no problem with asking a Believer who is already in heaven to continue to pray for them, BECAUSE NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT CONDEMN IT NOR FORBID IT. THEY ARE NOT MAKING THAT HOME WITH THE LORD BELIEVER THE MEDIATOR, THEY ARE ASKING THAT ALIVE IN CHRIST AND WITH CHRIST IN HEAVEN BELIEVER, TO SIMPLE PRAY TO JESUS THE MEDIATOR FOR THEM.

Mark 3:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"—
 
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THAT ONE AND ONLY SIN THAT IS UNFORGIVABLE is Rejecting everything the Holy Spirit has been trying to get you to BELIEVE about Jesus Christ.
 
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Mwc68 just got back I know it's late, ok I understand but why Mary? Why can't we pray for one another why her, this is where you Vann educate me.
 
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Let me put it in simpler terms which even you can understand VCO.

Every time you pray the Hail Mary, every time you pray the Rosary, and every time you ask Mary to intercede for you, you lose your Salvation and cannot enter into Heaven.
 
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Why you are not catholic?? or if you are a Catholic do you know what the other churches disagree??
Because God wants Spiritual fruits not religious nuts. God is not a religion.
 
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Mec99 can I see scripture on that? Lose your salvation thing.
 
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Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Praying to Mary is Idolatry, praying the Rosary is Idolatry, asking Mary to intercede for you is Idolatry.

All those who practice Idolatry will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Just because a person says he has received Salvation means nothing. Its those who produce the good fruits are the ones who have received Salvation.

Matthew 7:15-20
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
 
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Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

Dust to dust, as the Scriptures say.

Here is an interesting page :)
And his Spirit? His soul?
 
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Mwc68 just got back I know it's late, ok I understand but why Mary? Why can't we pray for one another why her, this is where you Vann educate me.
We can pray for one another just as Mary and the Saints pray for us. Nothing wrong with that. Mec would have you think that if i asked you to pray for me, i am worshipping you! I know! Ridiculous, right?
 

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And his Spirit? His soul?
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

It is a mistake to think the soul lives on after physical death;
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. The spirit returns to God, as per Ecc 12:7. James 2:26~ For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
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And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

It is a mistake to think the soul lives on after physical death;
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. The spirit returns to God, as per Ecc 12:7. James 2:26~ For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Its a mistake the think the soul lives after physical death? Ummm ok, never heard that one
 

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Its a mistake the think the soul lives after physical death? Ummm ok, never heard that one
You are a living soul. Body + Spirit (breath of God) = soul. "The spirit of God ["the breath which God gave him,"] is in my nostrils." Job 27:3 The "spirit" that returns to God when you die is simply "the breath of life". Scripture never says that the spirit has any life, has any feelings, or any form of wisdom. The Bible clearly states that souls die.
 
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You are a living soul. Body + Spirit (breath of God) = soul. "The spirit of God ["the breath which God gave him,"] is in my nostrils." Job 27:3 The "spirit" that returns to God when you die is simply "the breath of life". Scripture never says that the spirit has any life, has any feelings, or any form of wisdom. The Bible clearly states that souls die.
That's not my understanding. What of Lazarus and the rich man? Their physical bodies are dead, yet they retain mental abilities enough to have a conversation. I'm not sure you are correct on this. Moses and Elijah appeared during the transfiguration. How did that happen?
 

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I disagree! Plain and simple , so does the Church. The book of Revelation disagrees with you. The book of Macabees disagrees with you, hmmmm
I would expect no less of you. Wisdom and understanding are far from you. The church and Macabees lack divine authority.

My statements are in agreement with Revelation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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That's not my understanding. What of Lazarus and the rich man? Their physical bodies are dead, yet they retain mental abilities enough to have a conversation. I'm not sure you are correct on this. Moses and Elijah appeared during the transfiguration. How did that happen?
Lazarus and the rich man is a parable that teaches that death is conclusive, showing the finality of individual responsibility in life that determines one’s eternal future destination. Elijah was taken up and suffered not death. Do you think they were bodily present with our Lord? Peter did. Together, the two of them represented the law and the prophets, brought to fruition and fulfilled in Christ.
 
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Lazarus and the rich man is a parable that teaches that death is conclusive, showing the finality of individual responsibility in life that determines one’s eternal future destination. Elijah was taken up and suffered not death. Do you think they were bodily present with our Lord? Peter did. Together, the two of them represented the law and the prophets, brought to fruition and fulfilled in Christ.
Elijah is easy to explain, ill give you that! :) What about Moses?