Marijuana?

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Jan 22, 2010
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I'm 100% positive that Christians are to follow the law of man as long as it doesn't conflict with the higher law of God.

Romans 13:1-2 "1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

Seeng as pot is illegal, I find it quite clear that it is also wrong biblicaly to smoke pot. No where in the bible does God say that smoking pot is one of the things we need to do, therefor it would be going against what God wants us to do by smoking pot.
Considering Paul himself did not submit himself to the governing authorities...

Also, when the government tells you to do things that go against G-d, will you do them? Even Yeshua practiced civil disobedience.

Furthermore, there is biblical justification for marijuana use :)
 
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Definition_Christ

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Considering Paul himself did not submit himself to the governing authorities...

Also, when the government tells you to do things that go against G-d, will you do them? Even Yeshua practiced civil disobedience.

Furthermore, there is biblical justification for marijuana use :)
Two questions.

Do you think Paul's letters are the inspired word of God?

Care to show some biblical evidence to justify marijuana usage?
 
Jan 22, 2010
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Two questions.

Do you think Paul's letters are the inspired word of God?

Care to show some biblical evidence to justify marijuana usage?
To the first: I believe only that they are good lessons to live by, but as the inspired word of G-d, no. They contradict the Word elsewhere far too much for me to consider them part of the Word.

To the second: certainly!

Genesis 1:29
Then G-d said, "Here! Throughout the whole earth I am giving you as food every seed-bearing plant and every tree with seed-bearing fruit.

Genesis 1:11-12
G-d said, "Let the earth put forth grass, seed-producing plants, and fruit trees, each yielding its own kind of seed-bearing fruit, on the earth"; and that is how it was. The earth brought forth grass, plants each yielding its own kind of seed, and trees each producing its own kind of seed-bearing fruit; and G-d saw that it was good.

Both of the above include marijuana.
 
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Definition_Christ

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To the first: I believe only that they are good lessons to live by, but as the inspired word of G-d, no. They contradict the Word elsewhere far too much for me to consider them part of the Word.

To the second: certainly!

Genesis 1:29
Then G-d said, "Here! Throughout the whole earth I am giving you as food every seed-bearing plant and every tree with seed-bearing fruit.

Genesis 1:11-12
G-d said, "Let the earth put forth grass, seed-producing plants, and fruit trees, each yielding its own kind of seed-bearing fruit, on the earth"; and that is how it was. The earth brought forth grass, plants each yielding its own kind of seed, and trees each producing its own kind of seed-bearing fruit; and G-d saw that it was good.

Both of the above include marijuana.
Do you believe cocaine in it's natural form is okay to snort?
 
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lil-rush

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I feel like this conversation you two are getting into is going to be a repeat of the conversation Charisen and I had a few pages back.
 
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Definition_Christ

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Considering it often matures into red berries and is used to make teas, yes. Not snort, no. Eat. Consume.
So the answer is no, seeing as I didn't ask you about making tea the specific question was do you believe it's okay to snort. Any reason why you can't cook cocaine and snort it? It's all natural, doesn't that fit into your logic of quoting Genesis 1:29 and Genesis 1:11-12?
 
Jan 22, 2010
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So the answer is no, seeing as I didn't ask you about making tea the specific question was do you believe it's okay to snort. Any reason why you can't cook cocaine and snort it? It's all natural, doesn't that fit into your logic of quoting Genesis 1:29 and Genesis 1:11-12?
No, the answer is yes. The problem is you're trying to catch me in a blunder, but with poor logic like that, you won't do it :)

You don't snort marijuana, nor is it ok to snort cocaine. The verses I quoted is G-d saying it is ok to EAT the seed bearing plants, which is what you do with marijuana (smoking it is a form of consumption, i.e. eating) when it reaches the proper stage of growth. The same goes for cocaine. When the coca plant is at the proper stage of growth, the flowers usually form into red berries that can be eaten, and the seeds can be used to make teas.
 
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Cako53

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Considering Paul himself did not submit himself to the governing authorities...

Also, when the government tells you to do things that go against G-d, will you do them? Even Yeshua practiced civil disobedience.

Furthermore, there is biblical justification for marijuana use :)
So, where is this biblical justification to maijuana use? and I clearly stated that we are to follow the governments laws if it does not go against God's higher law.
 
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No, the answer is yes. The problem is you're trying to catch me in a blunder, but with poor logic like that, you won't do it :)

You don't snort marijuana, nor is it ok to snort cocaine. The verses I quoted is G-d saying it is ok to EAT the seed bearing plants, which is what you do with marijuana (smoking it is a form of consumption, i.e. eating) when it reaches the proper stage of growth. The same goes for cocaine. When the coca plant is at the proper stage of growth, the flowers usually form into red berries that can be eaten, and the seeds can be used to make teas.
You obviously have a poor definition of the what consuming is if you don't believe snorting something into your system is being consumed you might want to check your 5th grade health books. Not only that but you can put cocaine on your marijuana and smoke it that way as well. So either way it's being "eaten" if that is your definition of being consumed ;).
 
Jan 22, 2010
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You obviously have a poor definition of the what consuming is if you don't believe snorting something into your system is being consumed you might want to check your 5th grade health books. Not only that but you can put cocaine on your marijuana and smoke it that way as well. So either way it's being "eaten" if that is your definition of being consumed ;).
This is true, but you also have to take into account the other thing I said - that marijuana is matured to the point where it CAN be consumed healthily, whereas cocaine is not ;)
 
Jan 22, 2010
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So, where is this biblical justification to maijuana use? and I clearly stated that we are to follow the governments laws if it does not go against God's higher law.
Go up a few posts, I already gave it to Definition_Christ. I'd rather not repeat myself :)

And I said that that is all well and good, but in this case G-d commanded that all seed bearing plants are good and that we can consume/eat them. Therefore, government saying no is government telling you to disobey G-d :)
 
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This is true, but you also have to take into account the other thing I said - that marijuana is matured to the point where it CAN be consumed healthily, whereas cocaine is not ;)
Either which form it's in, it's all natural and Genesis 1:29 and Genesis 1:11-12 doesn't specifically mention we must wait until anything is matured in able to use it.
 
Jan 22, 2010
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Either which form it's in, it's all natural and Genesis 1:29 and Genesis 1:11-12 doesn't specifically mention we must wait until anything is matured in able to use it.
No, but G-d gave you a brain to use to make wise decisions on when something is healthy to consume and when it is not.
 
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Definition_Christ

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No, but G-d gave you a brain to use to make wise decisions on when something is healthy to consume and when it is not.
:)
And because God gave me a brain I choose not to smoke marijuana. But then again you could argue it's entirely subjective what we use our brains for seeing as we're using Scripture that can be interpreted very widely.
 
Jan 22, 2010
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And because God gave me a brain I choose not to smoke marijuana. But then again you could argue it's entirely subjective what we use our brains for seeing as we're using Scripture that can be interpreted very widely.
You can choose to smoke it or not to smoke it, that's just fine :) But I think it's wrong to condemn its use when G-d said it was ok :)
 
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Definition_Christ

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You can choose to smoke it or not to smoke it, that's just fine :) But I think it's wrong to condemn its use when G-d said it was ok :)
Not condemning it's use,however I believe anything can become a sin if we make it an addiction. Since our bodies are the temple of God I think we should be careful what we consume.
 
Jan 22, 2010
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Not condemning it's use,however I believe anything can become a sin if we make it an addiction. Since our bodies are the temple of God I think we should be careful what we consume.
And that I agree with completely.
 

BillyTheKid

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HAHAHAHA! this makes no sense! So its ok to smoke opium? Itss a plant. It is outlandish that christians would make excuses for using drugs lol. And btw smoking something is not considered consuming. Its funny how you can go to various threads and its the same people twisting the Holy Word of God to meet their desires. Now its drugs and how God says its ok to do drugs. LOL!!!!!
Courtesy of Merriam Webster Online:
Consume:
1 : to do away with completely : destroy <fire consumed several buildings>
2 a : to spend wastefully : squander b : use up <writing consumed much of his time>
3 a : to eat or drink especially in great quantity <consumed several bags of pretzels> b : to enjoy avidly : devour <mysteries, which she consumes for fun &#8212; E. R. Lipson>
4 : to engage fully : engross <consumed with curiosity>
5 : to utilize as a customer <consume goods and services>
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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I'd never want to be friends with a Christian who got high. What a fake.