Gay Marriage; Now comes the battle...

[crossnote]

O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee. To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.
(Dan 9:8-10)


This nation is so confused of face we have forgotten the purpose of male and female.

 

[Mitspa]

It is not the fact that gays in our country want equal rights... The Declaration of Independence, the values this country was founded on clearly states in the opening preamble. "...We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights... These words are backed by the Constitution... I do believe in them, I also believe that gays that cohabitate with a "life partner" so to speak, should be protected under the law in an equal manner to a married couple... What I do not agree with is the use of the word "marriage" for this type of a union... It is clearly defined and has been since the beginning as a union between a man and a woman... They could call it anything thing else like "Civil Union" or "Joint Union" with the same rights under the law as a marriage, same tax breaks, equal distribution of property, medical rights, etc. JUST DONT CALL IT MARRIAGE!


Please note that all verses pertaining to marriage say;

"He" and "She" or "Man" and "Woman"
Not
"he" "he" or "she" "she" and "man" "man or "woman" "woman"


Mark 10:6-9 But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Take Note: "two shall become one flesh" it is impossible for two men or two woman to product one flesh, one life form, "A Child". A child is the end result of two shall become one flesh a mixing of DNA...


Malachi 2:14,15 But you say, “Why does he not?” Because the LORD was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant (marriage).

Hebrews 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulteress.

1 Corinthians 7:2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. (A man and a woman, anything else is immoral)

Also there's this...

Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination". (sexually immoral)

Why should two sexual deviants deserve the rights of a married couple? Why would we as a society want to approve deviant behavior and make special rules to facilitate it?

As citizens they already have every right other citizens have..they can marry anyone of the opposite sex they like. What they want is for society to give them special rights and for society to change our social order to approve their sexual desires.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I see that, in your deceived state, you are either unable or unwilling to make a logically correct statement so employ ad hominem instead. In a single post, you revealed that you have four serious flaws:

1. You are deceived by the devil.
2. You are an epistemological ignoramus.
2. You do not competently apply logic.
3. You employ fallacious argumentum ad hominem.

I see most of you have HOMO printed on your foreheads. Short for homophobic. The mark of the beast.

 

[crossnote]

I posted this elsewhere...it's crazy this incident happened BEFORE gay marriage was legalized in Oregon...

Ore. Silences Bakers Who Refused to Make Cake for Lesbians



"At the time of the refusal, same-sex marriage had not yet been legalized in Oregon."

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I see that, in your deceived state, you are either unable or unwilling to make a logically correct statement so employ ad hominem instead. In a single post, you revealed that you have four serious flaws:

1. You are deceived by the devil.
2. You are an epistemological ignoramus.
2. You do not competently apply logic.
3. You employ fallacious argumentum ad hominem.

Too late. Marte is no more. Probably wouldn't have read your response anyway.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." -Proverbs 18:2.

Too late. Marte is no more. Probably wouldn't have read your response anyway.

 

[Humiliatus]

Gay Man Files $70M Suit Against Bible Publishers Over ‘Homosexual’ Verses

A homosexual man has filed a $70 million lawsuit against Bible publishers Zondervan and Thomas Nelson, alleging that their version of the Bible that refers to homosexuality as a sin violates his constitutional rights and has caused him emotional distress.
Read more at Gay Man Files $70M Suit Against Bible Publishers Over 'Homosexual' Verses

 

[Mitspa]

Gay Man Files $70M Suit Against Bible Publishers Over ‘Homosexual’ Verses

A homosexual man has filed a $70 million lawsuit against Bible publishers Zondervan and Thomas Nelson, alleging that their version of the Bible that refers to homosexuality as a sin violates his constitutional rights and has caused him emotional distress.
Read more at Gay Man Files $70M Suit Against Bible Publishers Over 'Homosexual' Verses

Next they will be suing the Apostle Paul and the Lord Himself for having the bible written.

 

[Humiliatus]

Obama: We Need To Help People Overcome Their Religious Beliefs

“Sometimes there are days like this when that slow and steady effort is rewarded with justice that arrives like a thunderbolt,” Obama said. Although the progress might have seemed slow to gay rights advocates, he added, the nation’s shift on same-sex marriage has been “so quick.”
“But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” the President continued.
“Shifts in hearts and minds is possible,” he said. “And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them. Because for all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we could ever be alone.”
“That’s always been our story. We are big and vast, and diverse. A nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, with different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are, or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love — America’s a place where you can write your own destiny.”
This veiled call to arms indicates that the war on conservatives is truly going hot. He has labeled religious people as backward and a hindrance to all others. The left isn’t capable of ‘help’. The socialists accomplishes their ends with verbal and physical assaults wrapped inside lies and corrupt measures.

Obama: We Need To Help People Overcome Their Religious Beliefs | Truth And Action

 

[Humiliatus]

[h=1]Texas Judge James R. DePiazza Has Bizarre New Wedding Requirement[/h]



Posted: 07/14/2015 | Edited: 07/14/2015 08:48 AM EDT

A Texas judge is so opposed to same-sex weddings that he wants every couple he marries -- straight or gay -- to sign a document acknowledging his views.

The agreement required by Judge James R. DePiazza, of The Colony, which is just north of Dallas, states that he doesn't want to perform same-sex weddings but will do so if asked.

"Judge DePiazza prefers to NOT conduct same-sex ceremonies, but will not decline anyone who chooses to schedule with him," the document states (the caps are in the original).

The document requires that those who wish to be married by DePiazza agree to not only acknowledge his views, but also not mention same-sex weddings to him "before, during or after the ceremony."

If anyone does, the service will be stopped and the participants will be given a refund, DePiazza told WFAA, the local ABC station.

DePiazza also will not allow photographs or videos, not that there will be much to capture. His services will be bare-bones affairs strictly limited to "a brief formal declaration of civil marriage ceremony."....


Texas Judge James R. DePiazza Has Bizarre New Wedding Requirement

 

[Humiliatus]

Judge Rules Utah Must Recognize Same Sex Parents On Child's Birth Certificate[h=2]The couple sued after hospital staff refused to list both moms on birth certificate after their child was born.[/h]

By Lindsay Whitehurst


Posted: 07/15/2015 | Edited: 07/16/2015 10:34 AM EDT

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A federal judge on Wednesday ordered the state of Utah to list the names of a lesbian couple on a birth certificate as the mothers of their new baby in a ruling that lawyers said was the first of its kind since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.

U.S. District Judge Dee Benson said the assisted reproduction case wasn't hard to decide.

"The state has failed to demonstrate any legitimate reason, actually any reason at all, for not treating a female spouse in a same-sex marriage the same as a male spouse in an opposite-sex marriage," Benson said in his ruling from the bench.

Angie and Kami Roe of West Jordan said in their lawsuit on the issue that the state should treat wedded lesbian couples the same as heterosexual couples who use sperm donors to have children.

State law automatically recognizes a husband who agrees to assisted reproduction as a father, but the Utah attorney general's office contended that doesn't extend to same-sex couples because child bearing is legally different from marriage.

"It is a fact that a non-biologically related female spouse can never be the biological father of a child," state attorneys wrote in court documents. "It is a biological impossibility for a woman who does not give birth to a child to establish paternity of a child through the act of birth."



Judge Rules Utah Must Recognize Same Sex Parents On Child's Birth Certificate

 

[crossnote]

Obama: We Need To Help People Overcome Their Religious Beliefs

“Sometimes there are days like this when that slow and steady effort is rewarded with justice that arrives like a thunderbolt,” Obama said. Although the progress might have seemed slow to gay rights advocates, he added, the nation’s shift on same-sex marriage has been “so quick.”
“But today should also give us hope that on the many issues with which we grapple often painfully real change is possible,” the President continued.
“Shifts in hearts and minds is possible,” he said. “And those who have come so far on their journey to equality have a responsibility to reach back and help others join them. Because for all our differences, we are one people — stronger together than we could ever be alone.”
“That’s always been our story. We are big and vast, and diverse. A nation of people with different backgrounds and beliefs, with different experiences and stories, but bound by our shared ideal that no matter who you are, or what you look like, how you started off, or how and who you love — America’s a place where you can write your own destiny.”
This veiled call to arms indicates that the war on conservatives is truly going hot. He has labeled religious people as backward and a hindrance to all others. The left isn’t capable of ‘help’. The socialists accomplishes their ends with verbal and physical assaults wrapped inside lies and corrupt measures.

Obama: We Need To Help People Overcome Their Religious Beliefs | Truth And Action

The quote above in red should read..."Brainwashing is possible" he said. "And those of you who have been brainwashed into thinking equality is the highest virtue, have a responsibility to drag others down into the same miry pit"

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I guess the angry person who chooses to engage in homosexual acts and doesn't like God's position on the matter never heard of the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States or if he has he doesn't care about it. Hopefully our Judiciary still remembers we have one and care about it.

 

[Humiliatus]

I guess the angry person who chooses to engage in homosexual acts and doesn't like God's position on the matter never heard of the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States or if he has he doesn't care about it. Hopefully our Judiciary still remembers we have one and care about it.

Help may be on the way with this new bill being submitted by the Republicans....

The GOP Reach-Around on Gay Marriage
The Supreme Court may have legalized gay marriage nationwide, but conservatives see an opening for a good ole fashioned attempt to reach around those black robes.

There’s a groundswell of support in Republican ranks on Capitol Hill over a piece of legislation that would shield religious individuals, businesses and institutions from extending gay couples the equal rights the Court just extended them.

The legislation, dubbed the First Amendment Defense Act, would prohibit the federal government from “discriminating” against anyone whose “religious belief or moral conviction” confines them to viewing marriage as between one man and one woman.
“Our bill ensures

The GOP Reach-Around on Gay Marriage - The Daily Beast

 

[Mitspa]

Help may be on the way with this new bill being submitted by the Republicans....

The GOP Reach-Around on Gay Marriage
The Supreme Court may have legalized gay marriage nationwide, but conservatives see an opening for a good ole fashioned attempt to reach around those black robes.

There’s a groundswell of support in Republican ranks on Capitol Hill over a piece of legislation that would shield religious individuals, businesses and institutions from extending gay couples the equal rights the Court just extended them.

The legislation, dubbed the First Amendment Defense Act, would prohibit the federal government from “discriminating” against anyone whose “religious belief or moral conviction” confines them to viewing marriage as between one man and one woman.
“Our bill ensures

The GOP Reach-Around on Gay Marriage - The Daily Beast

They can do more and should make every effort to reverse this wickedness approved and promoted from these unelected and false judges.

 

[crossnote]

They can do more and should make every effort to reverse this wickedness approved and promoted from these unelected and false judges.

True, otherwise they'll chip away at this FADA just as they ended up dumping DOMA.

 

[crossnote]

All these crazy rulings reminds me of this Psalm

Psa 2:1 Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and against his Anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 "Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us."
Psa 2:4 He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision.

 

[Humiliatus]

Read this today In USA Today... It does show a glimmer of hope... the stats quoted in this show Americans are getting fed up with the loss of morals in this country... One thing I read recently stated that most people forget the majority of the population of this country is over 55 years in age... We still said prayers in school, Pledged Allegiance to the Flag and went to church on Sundays... Kicking and screaming sometimes, and prayer and pledge where not an option for us... we did it or got our butts beat... Maybe, pray to God, that generation is finally going to stand together and say enough!...

1 Peter 5:1-14 So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed: shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly; not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory. Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” ...



USA Today 7/23/2015
Baked in the cake: Legal battles follow gay marriage ruling

DENVER — Same-sex marriage is now the law of the land. But that doesn't mean the newlyweds always get their choice of wedding cakes. Or flowers. Or photographs. Or venues.

Just ask Jack Phillips, a "cake artist" who may represent the next legal hurdle for gay and lesbian couples on their way to wedded bliss.

Phillips, 59, owns Masterpiece Cakeshop, a Lakewood, Colo., bakery that won't design desserts for same-sex weddings. His case was heard this month July 7 by the Colorado Court of Appeals. If he loses, he plans to keep appealing — all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.

"I feel that the Bible is clear — what God defines marriage as," Phillips says as his daughter Lisa works on the latest confections. "For me to violate that would be for me to rebel against God, to take what he's designed and say it doesn't matter."

A recent poll conducted by the Newseum Institute found that only 38% of Americans say businesses providing wedding services should be required to serve same-sex couples despite their religious objections, down from 52% in 2013. The court often tends to follow public opinion. But the Supreme Court has sided with religious believers before, most recently by allowing an exception to the Affordable Care Act's requirement that most businesses offer health insurance coverage for contraceptives that some equate with abortion.
Baked in the cake: Legal battles follow gay marriage ruling

 

[crossnote]

Read this today In USA Today... It does show a glimmer of hope... the stats quoted in this show Americans are getting fed up with the loss of morals in this country... One thing I read recently stated that most people forget the majority of the population of this country is over 55 years in age... We still said prayers in school, Pledged Allegiance to the Flag and went to church on Sundays... Kicking and screaming sometimes, and prayer and pledge where not an option for us... we did it or got our butts beat... Maybe, pray to God, that generation is finally going to stand together and say enough!...

1 Peter 5:1-14 So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed: shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly; not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory. Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” ...



USA Today 7/23/2015
Baked in the cake: Legal battles follow gay marriage ruling

DENVER — Same-sex marriage is now the law of the land. But that doesn't mean the newlyweds always get their choice of wedding cakes. Or flowers. Or photographs. Or venues.

Just ask Jack Phillips, a "cake artist" who may represent the next legal hurdle for gay and lesbian couples on their way to wedded bliss.

Phillips, 59, owns Masterpiece Cakeshop, a Lakewood, Colo., bakery that won't design desserts for same-sex weddings. His case was heard this month July 7 by the Colorado Court of Appeals. If he loses, he plans to keep appealing — all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.

"I feel that the Bible is clear — what God defines marriage as," Phillips says as his daughter Lisa works on the latest confections. "For me to violate that would be for me to rebel against God, to take what he's designed and say it doesn't matter."

A recent poll conducted by the Newseum Institute found that only 38% of Americans say businesses providing wedding services should be required to serve same-sex couples despite their religious objections, down from 52% in 2013. The court often tends to follow public opinion. But the Supreme Court has sided with religious believers before, most recently by allowing an exception to the Affordable Care Act's requirement that most businesses offer health insurance coverage for contraceptives that some equate with abortion.
Baked in the cake: Legal battles follow gay marriage ruling

I would have taken a similar stance, should be interesting.

 

[Humiliatus]

This article is a must read!

Now, usually I like to thumb through the New York Times... For a conservative it is somewhat liberal but I like several of the writers and you can get a pretty good view of what's trending... But this article I found somewhat troubling about several religious organizations view on same sex marriage... So called "Christians" jumping on the band wagon to align themselves and doctrine away from traditional teachings... reinterpreting verse to correlate with the new law... Do not get the wrong impression about the headline, the "gets little attention" only refers to media attention... A similar piece also appeared in the Washington Post on Friday...


The New York TimesDaily Newspaper

Push Within Religions for Gay Marriage Gets Little Attention

JULY 24, 2015

From the moment the Supreme Court ruled last month in favor of a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, opponents placed the decision in a very specific analytical frame. Here, they contended, was an egregious example of secular culture triumphing over religious values and religious freedom.

“Profoundly immoral and unjust,” the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops said in a statement. The Orthodox Union, the national association of Orthodox Jewish congregations, declared its “emphatic” and “unalterable” religious opposition to same-sex marriage. The prominent evangelist Franklin Graham reiterated that God had created marriage between man and woman and said, “His decisions are not subject to review or revision by any man-made court.”....

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/u...-gay-marriage-gets-little-attention.html?_r=0



Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.