If you believe in OSAS, please answer a few questions for me.
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that is why I have him on ignore.
he bears false witness and denys it
He twists scripture. and refuses to acknowledge scripture which does not support his theory.
He hates on anyone who disagrees with him
He basis his whole theology on a few verses, and will always make the same faulty arguments which have been refuted so many times, our head would spin thinking about it.
it is a waste of time.
he bears false witness and denys it
He twists scripture. and refuses to acknowledge scripture which does not support his theory.
He hates on anyone who disagrees with him
He basis his whole theology on a few verses, and will always make the same faulty arguments which have been refuted so many times, our head would spin thinking about it.
it is a waste of time.
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Funny how you continue to post falsehoods as I posted previously a little while back one of the things it falsely used in it.....
Telling people we did not read it even though Jason is posting things addressing what is said, and I posted awhile back on it as well. But by this response you completely overlooked all of that as usual, maybe step back take a breath and actually read what others are saying before making false statements.
I'm starting to feel bad for Jason. Its like him versus the world, he is being bombarded with grace [teachings]. Lets just make sure we do it with meekness and respect when correcting him, otherwise we are hardening his heart to the truth. Lets not throw accusations and assumptions but just plainly reveal the Gospel of Grace in such a way that it gives him something to ponder.
Not saying this at anyone in particular but as a generic whole. We are presenting grace so lets do it gracefully.
Not saying this at anyone in particular but as a generic whole. We are presenting grace so lets do it gracefully.
K
Well if they were to ban me they would have to ban 95% of you all as well, because those of the OSAS doctrine have done a lot more to me then post false statements.
I have found that at least half from the OSAS doctrine on here, pass false witness, judgmental, accusers, belittle, demean, and even go as far as condemn others.
I have not done any of the above and those who claim I have just do not like being called out on their sins, or misread what I wrote, or they do not understand the difference in rebuking, reproving from judging.
I would step back and stop pointing out others sinful ways if they would stop posting their false allegations against me first !!!
I have found that at least half from the OSAS doctrine on here, pass false witness, judgmental, accusers, belittle, demean, and even go as far as condemn others.
I have not done any of the above and those who claim I have just do not like being called out on their sins, or misread what I wrote, or they do not understand the difference in rebuking, reproving from judging.
I would step back and stop pointing out others sinful ways if they would stop posting their false allegations against me first !!!
In regards to the recent article link:
Nowhere does 1 John 3:6 and 1 John 3:9 says practice sin. The Modern Versions have made this addition. Paul makes it clear in Ephesians 2 and Colossians 3 that we USED to be sinners sinners but we are not that way anymore.
1 John 3:8 says he that sins is of the devil. It does not say he that sins habitually is of the devil. It only takes one sin to be of the devil and not many sins. For Jesus rebuked Peter and called him the devil for not being in line with His way of thinking with him going to the cross. 1 John 3:10 says he that does not righteousness is not of God. For he that hates his brother is a murderer and we know no murderer has etermal life abiding within them.
1 John 1:8 is dealing with the gnostic believer who thought there was no such thing as sin. I grew up knowing someone who was a Christian Scientist. They believed sin did not exist. This is similar to the OSAS proponent and their belief today. They do not believe sin exists for them because they are forgiven of all sins past, present, and future. Sin does not exist for them on a spiritual level. Their belief is very similar to the gnostic belief. The way the OSAS proponent gets out of this is by saying they sin on a physical level but yet on a spiritual level they have no sin (Because Christ paid it all). But this denies the next verse. 1 John 1:9 follows 1 John 1:8. One is supposed to confess their sin in order to be forgiven of their sin. The OSAS proponent does not believe 1 John 1:9 is in relation to salvation but they think it has to do with merely a break in fellowship (While they are still saved). But the Scriptures say, he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). For you have to realize John was writing to the brethren and warning them about false deceivers (1 John 2:26). 1 John 2:4 and 1 John 1:6 is the context of 1 John 1:8.
As for Romans 7: Well, we have to ask ourselves: Who was Paul's audience? It was those believers who knew the law (i.e. the Law of Moses) (See Romans 7:1); For no doubt they were getting trippped up in the law of Moses by going back to it). This is the context because Paul mentions the topic of circumcision in Romans 2 (See Romans 2:25).
Now, do not misunderstand me. The Law or the Law of Moses is not the same thing as the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) or the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). James calls it the royal law. Paul says that what he had written should be considered as the Lord's Commandments.
The Law of Moses is of the Old Testament and it is no longer binding.
The Law of Christ is of the New Testament and it was put into effect with Christ's death.
We also learn Paul says in Romans 7:14 that he is sold under sin and yet in Romans 8:2 he says he is free from sin. At the end of Romans 7 Paul gives us the solution to his struggle with sin.... who is Jesus Christ. This lets us know that in the bulk of Romans 7: Paul is speaking from his perspective as a Jew who kept the Law before he became a Christian. At the end of Romans 7 and in Romans 8 is when Paul is speaking from his experience as a Christian.
Nowhere does 1 John 3:6 and 1 John 3:9 says practice sin. The Modern Versions have made this addition. Paul makes it clear in Ephesians 2 and Colossians 3 that we USED to be sinners sinners but we are not that way anymore.
1 John 3:8 says he that sins is of the devil. It does not say he that sins habitually is of the devil. It only takes one sin to be of the devil and not many sins. For Jesus rebuked Peter and called him the devil for not being in line with His way of thinking with him going to the cross. 1 John 3:10 says he that does not righteousness is not of God. For he that hates his brother is a murderer and we know no murderer has etermal life abiding within them.
1 John 1:8 is dealing with the gnostic believer who thought there was no such thing as sin. I grew up knowing someone who was a Christian Scientist. They believed sin did not exist. This is similar to the OSAS proponent and their belief today. They do not believe sin exists for them because they are forgiven of all sins past, present, and future. Sin does not exist for them on a spiritual level. Their belief is very similar to the gnostic belief. The way the OSAS proponent gets out of this is by saying they sin on a physical level but yet on a spiritual level they have no sin (Because Christ paid it all). But this denies the next verse. 1 John 1:9 follows 1 John 1:8. One is supposed to confess their sin in order to be forgiven of their sin. The OSAS proponent does not believe 1 John 1:9 is in relation to salvation but they think it has to do with merely a break in fellowship (While they are still saved). But the Scriptures say, he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). For you have to realize John was writing to the brethren and warning them about false deceivers (1 John 2:26). 1 John 2:4 and 1 John 1:6 is the context of 1 John 1:8.
As for Romans 7: Well, we have to ask ourselves: Who was Paul's audience? It was those believers who knew the law (i.e. the Law of Moses) (See Romans 7:1); For no doubt they were getting trippped up in the law of Moses by going back to it). This is the context because Paul mentions the topic of circumcision in Romans 2 (See Romans 2:25).
Now, do not misunderstand me. The Law or the Law of Moses is not the same thing as the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) or the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). James calls it the royal law. Paul says that what he had written should be considered as the Lord's Commandments.
The Law of Moses is of the Old Testament and it is no longer binding.
The Law of Christ is of the New Testament and it was put into effect with Christ's death.
We also learn Paul says in Romans 7:14 that he is sold under sin and yet in Romans 8:2 he says he is free from sin. At the end of Romans 7 Paul gives us the solution to his struggle with sin.... who is Jesus Christ. This lets us know that in the bulk of Romans 7: Paul is speaking from his perspective as a Jew who kept the Law before he became a Christian. At the end of Romans 7 and in Romans 8 is when Paul is speaking from his experience as a Christian.
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No I have not read the whole thing yet, but I have read part of it and so far all I have seen is the same misusage and twisting of scripture that is commonly done on here. So therefore it is just a rehash of what has already been handled multiple times on here.
Look I love all my brothers and sisters in the faith no matter what doctrine they maybe lead by right now, and by that love we are called as overseers of the flock to point out when others are walking or talking in a sinful way.
I even saw another just this morning in another thread using curse words, but I refrained myself from getting involved there and moved on.
When you say you have faith and trust in the Lord, your actions will reflect that, and Apostle John says that love is also to be shown in deeds not just words.
Look I love all my brothers and sisters in the faith no matter what doctrine they maybe lead by right now, and by that love we are called as overseers of the flock to point out when others are walking or talking in a sinful way.
I even saw another just this morning in another thread using curse words, but I refrained myself from getting involved there and moved on.
When you say you have faith and trust in the Lord, your actions will reflect that, and Apostle John says that love is also to be shown in deeds not just words.
K
I do not make excuses at all as there is a big difference in reproving and rebuking and being judgmental on others.
Reproving and rebuking others comes from using the scriptures to show them their improper ways and to walk properly.
Judging means you just state things in a condemning way with no scripture to back it up, and no scripture used for exhorting and edifying afterwards.
I 95% of the time use scripture in my responses toward others, and the ones I get in return I may see scripture 10% of the time. Therefore what I say about knowing the difference between judging and reproving or rebuking stands true.
No, God's Word is written by God thru men.
2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Also, check out my many points here in Scripture on the topic of Sola Scriptura, too.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100040-biblical-defense-sola-scriptura.html
2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Also, check out my many points here in Scripture on the topic of Sola Scriptura, too.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100040-biblical-defense-sola-scriptura.html