If you believe in OSAS, please answer a few questions for me.

[dcontroversal]

yeah dude!
this is a conundrum to me, that i've been struggling and praying over for a while recently.
we need to be unified as believers and "as much as possible, as it depends on us" be at peace with all men.
but at the same time we need to stand firm in the gospel we received, and the hold our original confidence in Him to the end. He's the prince of peace, and out of His mouth is a two edged sword - He sends us with the message of reconciliation, and He makes us into weapons and armor for righteousness.

how to balance .. ?

oh -- and i call you "dude" in the most loving of ways, dude.

Amen and the word DUDE does not offend me at all....as a matter of fact I use it quite regularly and even call some of my older neighbors (dude-ette).....such as my neighbors wife who is not offended at all......

 

[Sirk]

I've explained them to you so often I have not only the verses, but my commentary memorized. You have rejected it so often, insisting that your man-based, self-sufficient "gospel" is "God's word" that you have convinced me you are truly clueless to the fact you are lost!

Further proof you're clueless, and that you need to oversimplify, distort, even lie about what people, what I, believe. That phrase you repeat, "you can't sin and still be saved," is your byword, has become a magical incantation to you and it triggers all sorts of ungodly spew that distorts and lies about Scripture.

I quote to you the first two verses of 1 John 2 not long ago that you absolutely ignored, pretended had not been posted. They are proof you take vv. 3 & 4 out of context and pretend vv. 1 & 2 do not exist. I challenge you to explain away now the clear indication John gave that believers do, indeed, sin, as shown in the emboldened and underlined section below.

1 John 2, NASB
1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.​

I want you to prove that when Christ calls for "obedience" He is speaking of "doing." Show us the passages that teach this. With Christ, "obedience" is love. Love God, love others. He told the young scribe, "On these two commandments the whole Law and the prophets depend."

Then I want you to explain how you can claim not to be a legalist, a follower of the Law, and claim you are not, when clearly all you advocate is nothing less than following the Law. The Law covers every behavior, every thought, every word that is part of how you present yourself. If you insist we must avoid any hint of sin in our thoughts, words, and deeds or else we won't be saved, you are following the Law, plainly and simply.

Prove to us you actually do know the word of God!

I think Jason's bible is heavily redacted....same as the emails that Hillary has released.

 

[Sirk]

Lengthy reply. Thank you. However, I will not possibly get to it until a while, though. Maybe next week. I am gonna busy with other things this week with another believer in person.

Peace be unto you.
And may God bless you.

Well I hope they are still a believer after you are done with them.

 

[KennethC]

I've explained them to you so often I have not only the verses, but my commentary memorized. You have rejected it so often, insisting that your man-based, self-sufficient "gospel" is "God's word" that you have convinced me you are truly clueless to the fact you are lost!

Further proof you're clueless, and that you need to oversimplify, distort, even lie about what people, what I, believe. That phrase you repeat, "you can't sin and still be saved," is your byword, has become a magical incantation to you and it triggers all sorts of ungodly spew that distorts and lies about Scripture.

I quote to you the first two verses of 1 John 2 not long ago that you absolutely ignored, pretended had not been posted. They are proof you take vv. 3 & 4 out of context and pretend vv. 1 & 2 do not exist. I challenge you to explain away now the clear indication John gave that believers do, indeed, sin, as shown in the emboldened and underlined section below.

1 John 2, NASB
1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.​

I want you to prove that when Christ calls for "obedience" He is speaking of "doing." Show us the passages that teach this. With Christ, "obedience" is love. Love God, love others. He told the young scribe, "On these two commandments the whole Law and the prophets depend."

Then I want you to explain how you can claim not to be a legalist, a follower of the Law, and claim you are not, when clearly all you advocate is nothing less than following the Law. The Law covers every behavior, every thought, every word that is part of how you present yourself. If you insist we must avoid any hint of sin in our thoughts, words, and deeds or else we won't be saved, you are following the Law, plainly and simply.

Prove to us you actually do know the word of God!

Luke 6:46-49


And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.



Matthew 7:21


Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Sirk]

Btw...Jason....dude. Your theology is a dude without the e on the end. I think you should stop watching you tube videos and find yourself a bible believing church and cast off your cockamamie self righteous mindset about your "personal" perfection. If I were you I would be very afraid of God knocking me off that pedestal in the coming years weeks or days. All in His timing....amen? Don't forget that pride precedes the fall.

 

[notuptome]

No, my friend. It is the exact opposite. Try reading 2 Timothy 3:1-9.

Anyone who denies the efficacy of the blood of Jesus is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of the grace of God is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of Jesus is not my friend.

2 Tim 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Pretty much describes you to a "T".

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[KennethC]

Anyone who denies the efficacy of the blood of Jesus is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of the grace of God is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of Jesus is not my friend.

2 Tim 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Pretty much describes you to a "T".

For the cause of Christ
Roger

This passage is talking how people will be disobedient and sinful instead of being faithful and obedient.

Jason may have done some of those things in the past, but I also have seen some of those things be done by those who are disagreeing with him as well. We should not point fingers if guilty of the same things and I have seen these things on here done a lot by others;

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.


All of those I highlighted I have seen from a few on here be done, not just one person.
Also part of having a form of godliness but denying the power is when you denying the purpose of the Holy Spirit, His gifts, and fruits working in and through us to strengthen us so that we can abstain from sins. For the fruits of the Spirit are the opposite of sin, if you are walking in the Spirit you can not sin. You only sin when you are drawn away again by your own lusts and if you let them control you again then like James says it will lead to eternal death.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

John says to.... "sin not." He either means that or he doesn't mean that.

So you refuse to explain why he had, beforehand, encouraged believers that, if they sin, they have an Advocate in Jesus Christ?

Grace is not a license for you to sin. Yes, grace is there for believers if they honestly struggle with sin on their road to recovery in overcoming sin, but nowhere does God's Word teach you can sin and be saved.

You're plainly ignore John's statement then.

Confession is to cleanse you of all unrighteousness ...

Wrong. As I told a week ago, confession is to clear your own conscience. Christ's death on the cross cleansed you 2,000 years ago, "while [you] were yet [a] sinner" [Romans 5:8).

Let's look at your precious 1 John 1:8, in context:

1 John 1, NASB
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.​

In reading verse 9 out of context, it seems to indicate that forgiveness and cleansing from sin results from confession of those sins. However, the verse does not say what will happen if we don't confess our sins. It is important to read the verse in the context of the passage. But in context, we see that the blood of Jesus Christ is responsible for cleansing us from sin (verse 7). So, the means by which we are cleansed is not dependent upon our actions (e.g., confession), but based upon what Jesus Christ has already done for us.

Even in the Old Testament, confession was made, but forgiveness was the result of a blood sacrifice. Read Leviticus 5:5, 6 to confirm this. Of course, the doctrine that sin is cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ is found throughout the New Testament. Read Romans 5:9, Ephesians 2:13, Hebrews 9:14, 10:19, 12:24, and 13:12. The New Testament teaches that this cleansing by the blood of Christ results in forgiveness of sin.

Ephesians 1
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

​

However, forgiveness from sin only happens through Jesus Christ, when we believe in Him. However, those who do not believe are not forgiven and will be accountable for their sins. So why confession our sins if they are already forgiven?

James 5
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.​

John is saying that you can confess in times you do struggle but he is not saying it is a license ...

There you go again, making a grave error in what is said, and what is taught. Of course John doesn't teach there is a "license to sin"! No one claims that is taught, no one claims they have such a license. You use a circular argument to get back to this satanic lie ...

and makes that clear by saying...."sin not" and by saying that if one says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.

... which ignores the other teaching that clarifies what you so desperately seek to twist, lie about, and claim.

Are you keeping His commandments?

Yes, I am. Do you know what His commandments are, Jason? Tell me, please. I'm dying to see how you answer this question. I fear, however, like all others you don't like, you will duck it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you refuse to explain why he had, beforehand, encouraged believers that, if they sin, they have an Advocate in Jesus Christ?

You're plainly ignore John's statement then.

Wrong. As I told a week ago, confession is to clear your own conscience. Christ's death on the cross cleansed you 2,000 years ago, "while [you] were yet [a] sinner" [Romans 5:8).

Let's look at your precious 1 John 1:8, in context:

1 John 1, NASB
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.​

In reading verse 9 out of context, it seems to indicate that forgiveness and cleansing from sin results from confession of those sins. However, the verse does not say what will happen if we don't confess our sins. It is important to read the verse in the context of the passage. But in context, we see that the blood of Jesus Christ is responsible for cleansing us from sin (verse 7). So, the means by which we are cleansed is not dependent upon our actions (e.g., confession), but based upon what Jesus Christ has already done for us.

Even in the Old Testament, confession was made, but forgiveness was the result of a blood sacrifice. Read Leviticus 5:5, 6 to confirm this. Of course, the doctrine that sin is cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ is found throughout the New Testament. Read Romans 5:9, Ephesians 2:13, Hebrews 9:14, 10:19, 12:24, and 13:12. The New Testament teaches that this cleansing by the blood of Christ results in forgiveness of sin.

Ephesians 1
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.

​

However, forgiveness from sin only happens through Jesus Christ, when we believe in Him. However, those who do not believe are not forgiven and will be accountable for their sins. So why confession our sins if they are already forgiven?

James 5
16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.​

There you go again, making a grave error in what is said, and what is taught. Of course John doesn't teach there is a "license to sin"! No one claims that is taught, no one claims they have such a license. You use a circular argument to get back to this satanic lie ...

... which ignores the other teaching that clarifies what you so desperately seek to twist, lie about, and claim.

Yes, I am. Do you know what His commandments are, Jason? Tell me, please. I'm dying to see how you answer this question. I fear, however, like all others you don't like, you will duck it.

I am still waiting for him to explain how a sinless and righteous person still needs grace

since grace means undeserved merit, how can one who has merited something by their actions of being righteous still need grace?

His problem is, he does not understand what sin is, He thinks pornography is a sin (it is) but he denys his own sin .

He yells at us as excusing sin, when it is him who is excusing sin. because he refuses to repent.

 

[Jason0047]

Anyone who denies the efficacy of the blood of Jesus is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of the grace of God is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of Jesus is not my friend.

2 Tim 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Pretty much describes you to a "T".

For the cause of Christ
Roger

How so? How do you know my life that I do those things? I say it describes the believer who thinks they can sin and be saved because... well..that is like what they tell me they do. For they believe they will never stop sinning and that 1 John 1:8 is a way of saying they always have some kind of sin. So it matches up witb it says in 2 Timothy 3:1-9 that they have a form of Godliness, but they deny the power thereof (Whereby they commit certain sins).

For according to your beliefs, cannot a believer do those sins in 2 Timothy 3:1-9 and still be saved even while doing them?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Anyone who denies the efficacy of the blood of Jesus is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of the grace of God is not my friend. Anyone who is an enemy of Jesus is not my friend.

2 Tim 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Pretty much describes you to a "T".

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Describes me to a "T" as well -- I'm thankful for God's Grace.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

hi woundedwarrior,

I don’t want to take anything away from J-. He seems to have done a lot of bible studying, and IMO has made some excellent points on why obedience to Jesus’ words is critical to salvation. Frankly, it seems very daunting to take on so many who have been brought up in churches with some form of OSAS, many with the idea of “unconditional love.” If that was true, how did Lucifer and a third of the angels fall from heaven? or Israel fall into captivity because of idolatry and occult practices (such as Baal worship).

He might’ve mis-applied verses a few times, but I’m prone to make mistakes like that too. I briefly contradicted a “sinless perfectionist” at another forum, but he has a complicated, prepared “perfectionist” system that’s ready to respond to any disagreement. What he doesn’t do is make allowances, manipulating scripture to fit a rigid “perfectionism.”

Much of what J- says is needed to turn around the complacent idea of OSAS, who falsely assume that what Jesus said in Matthew 5 to 7 is separate from salvation. The key is true faith in Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to teach, guide and heal. And to continue in that faith.

With a possible economic crisis in the near future, continuing in the faith might be easier said than done.

Hello Jonl,

Thank you for sharing.

From what you said, can I understand that you believe The Church has become lazy and complacent, and so, J-'s words (which I have considered extreme) are necessary, in order to assist The Church in correcting our malfunction?

 

[Jason0047]

I am still waiting for him to explain how a sinless and righteous person still needs grace

And the answer is in the Bible.

"...even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 5:21).

Do you believe that?

 

[phil112]

2 Tim 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Pretty much describes you to a "T".

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Describes me to a "T" as well -- I'm thankful for God's Grace.

Surprised to hear you admit it.

 

[slave]

hi woundedwarrior,

I don’t want to take anything away from J-. He seems to have done a lot of bible studying, and IMO has made some excellent points on why obedience to Jesus’ words is critical to salvation. Frankly, it seems very daunting to take on so many who have been brought up in churches with some form of OSAS, many with the idea of “unconditional love.” If that was true, how did Lucifer and a third of the angels fall from heaven? or Israel fall into captivity because of idolatry and occult practices (such as Baal worship).

He might’ve mis-applied verses a few times, but I’m prone to make mistakes like that too. I briefly contradicted a “sinless perfectionist” at another forum, but he has a complicated, prepared “perfectionist” system that’s ready to respond to any disagreement. What he doesn’t do is make allowances, manipulating scripture to fit a rigid “perfectionism.”

Much of what J- says is needed to turn around the complacent idea of OSAS, who falsely assume that what Jesus said in Matthew 5 to 7 is separate from salvation. The key is true faith in Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to teach, guide and heal. And to continue in that faith.

With a possible economic crisis in the near future, continuing in the faith might be easier said than done.

Jesus Christ's standard for a Christian is Himself.Am I allowing His standard to obsess me?, should be the question. Am I measuring my life by His all the time? The one standard put before us is Our Lord Himself; we have to be saturated in this ideal in thinking and in praying, and allow nothing to blur the standard. We must lift up Jesus Christ, not only in the preaching of the Gospel, but to our own souls. If my mind and heart and spirit are getting fixed with one Figure only, the Lord Jesus Christ, and other people and other ideas are fading, then is when I am growing in grace.

The one dominant characteristic in the life of a Christian is that Jesus Christ is coming more into predominance. Our motive is not a sentiment but a passion, the blazing passion of the Holy Spirit in the real-time soul of the Christian; not--"because Jesus has done so much for me"...that is a sickening unscriptural statement. The one attitude of the life is Jesus Christ first, second, and third, and nothing apart from Him. The thing that hinders us from Gods work is not sin, but other claims, which are right, but which at a certain point of their rightness conflict with claims of Jesus Christ.

My point is to be focused on Christ is to have all rightness travel thru Him. If the conflict should come, remember it is to be Jesus first. [ Luke 14:26].

 

[BradC]

Well, because your falsely assuming that this does not involve confessing and forsaking sin as mentioned in Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9, 1 John 2:1, 1 John 1:7 (cf. with 1 John 2:3-4).

Do you conclude that only those who confess and repent of their sin are the ones whose sins are covered, their iniquities are forgiven and whom the Lord will not impute sin? Is that your stand?

If that is your stand then how are we to understand the following passage concerning Christ...

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[ember]

Why have you skipped over these questions Jason? There are not that many people on this thread, so in case you missed them, here they are again

Do you believe in the spiritual gifts Jason? What gift is it you suppose God has given you?

Wondering exactly what you believe your place in the BODY of Christ is?

I mean, you do believe we are all members of His body don't you?

 

[ember]

Here are more questions, based on scripture, that you also skipped over

As you insist everyone answers your questions, it would show good intentions if you answered a few you did not think of

and who do you say are the pharisees Jason?

if you point to one Christ calls His own with the word pharisee dripping off your index finger, will you be judged according to your judgement?

do you suppose God is mocked? or will he judge righteously while some judge according to their own private interpretation?

will some wound those whom Gods calls a bruised reed or will some put out a smoking flax?

who will cause justice to be victorious?

Who are the pharisees according to you Jason? you speak of them often, so who are they already?

 

[ember]

Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits.

Anyone who is pure of heart and is objective can see those who are doing wrong or not here.

I asked YOU who YOU thought the pharisees are? Jesus was referring to a religious sect of over 2000 years ago and you have taken the liberty of assuming He is talking to people today, so again, and for the third time, according to YOU, Jason, WHO are these pharisees you speak of?

Don't hide behind Jesus...come on out and say what you think. The thing about Jesus is that He can speak for Himself. You know, I can speak for myself too!

So, again, who are you saying the Pharisees are?

What you quote from Jesus is regarding false prophets...has anyone here claimed to be a prophet, a teacher or any sort of minister? why are you speaking of false prophets now?

Let's allow God to judge who is pure of heart. You are not equipped to judge as God alone sees into the heart.

There is no exclusive club where pure hearts roam free with perfect objectivity and point fingers with no fear of the same judgement being met out in return...and this by God Himself rather than those for whom the finger points

your response is utterly subjective even though you appear to believe your objectivity aligns with the Bible and God's perfection

somebody shine a light here

 

[KennethC]

Do you conclude that only those who confess and repent of their sin are the ones whose sins are covered, their iniquities are forgiven and whom the Lord will not impute sin? Is that your stand?

If that is your stand then how are we to understand the following passage concerning Christ...

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Notice how it says reconciliation in that scripture, and repenting of ones sins and being born again is how we are reconciled to God. The not imputed sins on a believer comes after they have repented of them and confessed them to the Lord to be forgiven of them.