If you believe in OSAS, please answer a few questions for me.

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But your still probably wondering who? Who are the Pharisees here?

Anyone who condones a sin and still be saved doctrine.
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The Pharisees were a religious sect

Condoning sin does not make one a pharisee

Be careful here, because, Jason this is gonna hit home...according to the defintion, YOU are actually the Pharisee

How is that? I'm not personally attacking you...I am making an appeal to your ability to weigh things and see truth?

Phar·i·see
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  • a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
    • a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.

      So who here says they keep the law and are sinless? Isn't that YOU?



 
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i think what he's getting at is 'once you're a son or daughter, can you cease to become a son or daughter?'.............................
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Words mean something. We have a myriad of them available so that we can make our point without question or doubt. If "he" meant something else, he should have said something else. I responded to exactly what he said.
There are way too many people here that say sometimes silly, and sometimes downright stupid, stuff. I assume everyone here has an education. I mean they are using a keyboard that has an alphabet. On the same computer they use to post here they have access to dictionaries and encyclopedias. There is no reason for being unclear when you post.

Sometimes I may not give enough information when I post, but I will clarify if necessary. The particular post in question was stated as fact when it was as misleading as you can get.
What happened here is what happens frequently in such discussions: Someone twists words and scripture to enforce a doctrine the bible does not support.
He made a statement, I took that statement at face value because that is how it was said, and I shredded it. It was ludicrous to make such a lame argument.
 
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To everyone here:

I am not attacking Jason...I'm just a weird person who is trying to get some answers

Please don't jump on the above post...I do NOT mean it as an attack

I believe Jason is saved and I also believe he is hurting over this

Yeah I'm weird...I actually care about all of us and just am expressing what is on my heart
 
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I am not calling you a pharisee Jason...I would like you to see that your definition of pharisee does not fit the biblical definition

You see, the pharisees thought they were sinless...which is the opposite of what the OSAS doctrine says
 
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Jason0047 said:
As for my gift: Several people have told me I should be a teacher or Pastor, but I told them I am waiting on God's timing and direction for something like that. For now, there are other things I believe God wants me to do so as to glorify Him.
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I would say pope is more appropriate. Anyone with your level of apostasy should be at the pinnacle.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Jason0047 said:
But your still probably wondering who? Who are the Pharisees here?

Anyone who condones a sin and still be saved doctrine.
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if anyone else needs to know the total blindness of this man, and the depths of how low he will stoop to make his false gospel a reality, this should be the last nail in the coffin.

A pharisee would deny sin, He hated all people who were considered sinners. If you put Jason and a pharisee together. you could not tell them apart (except for maybe Jasons wealth, which we do not know)

They both were blinded to their own sin, They both are focused on certain sins, but blind to others, to excuse their own sin.

Again, Why is anyone giving this person the time of Day? His ONLY hope is that God himself personally gives him a saul experience. No one here will change this mans mind.
 
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ember said:
The Pharisees were a religious sect

Condoning sin does not make one a pharisee

Be careful here, because, Jason this is gonna hit home...according to the defintion, YOU are actually the Pharisee

How is that? I'm not personally attacking you...I am making an appeal to your ability to weigh things and see truth?

Phar·i·see
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noun


  • a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
    • a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.

      So who here says they keep the law and are sinless? Isn't that YOU?



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So what am I? I don't keep the law. I don't observe the 10 commandments, and I don't sin. :)
Again, use the words that best describe what you want to communicate. I'm pretty sure Jason doesn't claim to be sinless, after all we're born into sin and no man is sinless, but he does believe, as the bible tells us, that it is possible to go without sinning if we use the armor God has provided us with.
When I am tempted I find a place to get on my knees and ask God to take that temptation away. I try to keep my mind on the lovely things of righteousness. If one is diligent, if one strives, one can be obedient to the word.
Is there any person here that will deny that?

Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
Hebrews 4:16 "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

When it looks like failure is inevitable, when it looks like you're not going to make it past that temptation, get on your knees and demand God shower His spirit on you. That help is a promise. Ask for it. That is what He wants. He doesn't want you to fail and then whine that it was unavoidable. Get bold about it and go get that grace that He has waiting just for you.
 
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phil112 said:
Words mean something. We have a myriad of them available so that we can make our point without question or doubt. If "he" meant something else, he should have said something else. I responded to exactly what he said.
There are way too many people here that say sometimes silly, and sometimes downright stupid, stuff. I assume everyone here has an education. I mean they are using a keyboard that has an alphabet. On the same computer they use to post here they have access to dictionaries and encyclopedias. There is no reason for being unclear when you post.
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No room for mistakes, miscommunication, handicaps, or language barriers with Phil -- Let's see if he can back up his own words.

phil112 said:
Sometimes I may not give enough information when I post, but I will clarify if necessary. The particular post in question was stated as fact when it was as misleading as you can get.
What happened here is what happens frequently in such discussions: Someone twists words and scripture to enforce a doctrine the bible does not support.
He made a statement, I took that statement at face value because that is how it was said, and I shredded it. It was ludicrous to make such a lame argument.
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Clarification is necessary, however you have ignored:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-before-they-spoke-tongues-6.html#post2221492

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Surprised to hear you admit it.
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I'm surprised to see you attempt to communicate with me here, given that you've ignored myself and others:

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Phil, I am not certain that you are aware, but you have an unanswered reply from Crossnote: Here.
And, Phil, as for your questions (Post #135 - Which, I believe references: Post #95) I believe I responded to all of them in (Post #111), please let me know if I missed any, or if I have been inaccurate in any of my assessments.
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You throw some heavy words -- I just hope you are willing to clarify them, as you have stated.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
if anyone else needs to know the total blindness of this man, and the depths of how low he will stoop to make his false gospel a reality, this should be the last nail in the coffin.

A pharisee would deny sin, He hated all people who were considered sinners. If you put Jason and a pharisee together. you could not tell them apart (except for maybe Jasons wealth, which we do not know)

They both were blinded to their own sin, They both are focused on certain sins, but blind to others, to excuse their own sin.

Again, Why is anyone giving this person the time of Day? His ONLY hope is that God himself personally gives him a saul experience. No one here will change this mans mind.
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and as I said a few days ago, after he told me that I was in error for speaking truth, done, bye to him. a person like that is far from grace, far from love, and sadly, far from God at this point. maybe on day he will see the true depth of sin, and realize we desperately need God's grace and love in our lives, not just a make a list and keep it religion.
 
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phil112 said:
So what am I? I don't keep the law. I don't observe the 10 commandments, and I don't sin. :)
Again, use the words that best describe what you want to communicate. I'm pretty sure Jason doesn't claim to be sinless, after all we're born into sin and no man is sinless, but he does believe, as the bible tells us, that it is possible to go without sinning if we use the armor God has provided us with.
When I am tempted I find a place to get on my knees and ask God to take that temptation away. I try to keep my mind on the lovely things of righteousness. If one is diligent, if one strives, one can be obedient to the word.
Is there any person here that will deny that?

Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
Hebrews 4:16 "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

When it looks like failure is inevitable, when it looks like you're not going to make it past that temptation, get on your knees and demand God shower His spirit on you. That help is a promise. Ask for it. That is what He wants. He doesn't want you to fail and then whine that it was unavoidable. Get bold about it and go get that grace that He has waiting just for you.
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Well, if you are sinless, then you have no need of Christ.
 
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shotgunner said:
Those two sentences that I made bold are a revelation that would change the Body Of Christ if they could ever receive it. How to properly minister that revelation is something I've been attempting for a couple of years.
This is exactly what Romans chapter 8 is saying. Look particularly at verse 6,:For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."
Our sin consciousness interprets this verse to say that to be sin minded is death, or to be filled with sin is death. What it's really saying is that to be focused on the flesh is death, or I could say to be focused on trying to perfect the flesh is death. Now read the whole chapter with Gr8grace's quote and my comments in mind and see a new revelation about Romans 8. Paul is telling us how to overcome the flesh by putting all our focus and attention on the Spirit rather than on our flesh.
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You've got it Brother. Its what we see on most of these threads. tremendous amounts of effort to clean up the flesh.......sin minded.Slaves to sin.

And the majority of Christians think it is just overtly sinning.
 
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Sirk said:
I honestly don't know how you can read the bible and not understand grace.....wait a minute yes I do....it's spiritually discerned.
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Exactly, and as an unbeliever, he is not spiritual led. And he still hasn't answered my question at the end of post #748, which I predicted he would not.

Now he will, but badly. Trying to correct this false teacher, this unbeliever, is like trying to grasp air.
 
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phil112 said:
So what am I? I don't keep the law. I don't observe the 10 commandments, and I don't sin. :)
Again, use the words that best describe what you want to communicate. I'm pretty sure Jason doesn't claim to be sinless, after all we're born into sin and no man is sinless, but he does believe, as the bible tells us, that it is possible to go without sinning if we use the armor God has provided us with.
When I am tempted I find a place to get on my knees and ask God to take that temptation away. I try to keep my mind on the lovely things of righteousness. If one is diligent, if one strives, one can be obedient to the word.
Is there any person here that will deny that?

Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
Hebrews 4:16 "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

When it looks like failure is inevitable, when it looks like you're not going to make it past that temptation, get on your knees and demand God shower His spirit on you. That help is a promise. Ask for it. That is what He wants. He doesn't want you to fail and then whine that it was unavoidable. Get bold about it and go get that grace that He has waiting just for you.
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You say that you don't sin. That's probably correct according to your definition of sin. I do believe it's possible and to keep ourselves from many sins. I do it all the time. That however doesn't mean that either of us is free from all sin.

You have to know that God's standards are so high that any sin, even pride, would make us worthy of hell. Not one man could ever have lived up to the standard of God except God himself. That's why God came in the form of the Son and kept every law and lived a perfect sinless life. Jesus wasn't an example for us, he was our substitute. He, who knew no sin, became sin and in so doing conveyed his perfect sinless life to us who would accept him as our substitute.

Paul says that anything that is not of faith is sin. Yes, we can keep ourselves from lying, adultery, fornication, stealing, and many of the sins considered as major. That however is not enough. God made the standards of the law so strict, even adding that you would have to love God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind, or you were guilty of all the law. God wanted every person to see and know that they couldn't live a sinless life and would have to accept Jesus as their substitute to ever enter Heaven.
 
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You say that you don't sin. That's probably correct according to your definition of sin.........................................
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My definition? The bible tells me what sin is.
 
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WoundedWarrior said:
This is not gossip, this is fact.
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The Hebrew word translated “gossip” in the Old Testament is defined as “one who reveals secrets, one who goes about as a talebearer or scandal-monger.” A gossiper is a person who has privileged information about people and proceeds to reveal that information

Curse the gossips and the double-tongued,for they destroy the peace of many.

Definition of gossip: casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people

Gossip is distinguished from sharing information in two ways:

1. Intent. Gossipers often have the goal of building themselves up by making others look bad and exalting themselves as some kind of repositories of knowledge.

2. The type of information shared. Gossipers speak of the faults and failings of others, or reveal potentially embarrassing or shameful details regarding the lives of others without their knowledge or approval. Even if they mean no harm, it is still gossip. http://www.gotquestions.org/gossip-Bible.html

If you have something to say about someone, please say it to their face. I have witnessed far too much of this- two people publicly talking between themselves about a third. I wonder why it isn't against the rules.
 
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