If you knew you had one week to live, what would be different in your life with God?

[Jason0047]

Still the same-old, huh guys?

Did you forget this thread, Jason? http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ease-answer-few-questions-me.html#post2208863

I didn't forget it, just don't have a lot of time this week to tackle such a post yet. I have been really busy and only had time to give quick responses to short posts. But thanks for the reminder.

Side Note:

But please take note that there is probably nothing new that I have not already answered before with OSAS proponents over the many years before. It's the same ole sad excuses and bag of tricks that is ultimately set out to defend a sin and still be saved doctrine (that goes against the many warnings in the Bible, ignores morality, and cannot be made into a real world example or parable).

 

[Jason0047]

You both need to repent... How's that sound? We all need to repent.

Such words have absolutely no meaning unless you can back up what you are saying with Scripture. Saying for someone to repent and then offering no clear Biblical reason why is just mindless anger. We are to correct with God's Word (2 Timothy 3:16) and we are to judge righteously and not by outward appearances or judge like how the world does. Slander or mocking, or laughing at another believer is called "verbal persectuion" in the Bible and it is wrong. We see this in the story of Isaac when Hagar mocks him. But Paul said that as it was back then, so it is now (See Galatians 4).

 

[notuptome]

I didn't forget it, just don't have a lot of time this week to tackle such a post yet. I have been really busy and only had time to give quick responses to short posts. But thanks for the reminder.

Side Note:

But please take note that there is probably nothing new that I have not already answered before with OSAS proponents over the many years before. It's the same ole sad excuses and bag of tricks that is ultimately set out to defend a sin and still be saved doctrine (that goes against the many warnings in the Bible, ignores morality, and cannot be made into a real world example or parable).

So pride is not a sin for you? Not the first time someone has asked I'm certain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jason0047]

So pride is not a sin for you? Not the first time someone has asked I'm certain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Where do you see pride? Pride in what exactly? Do you see me boast of myself? Do you see me boast in a belief that I created? The Bible has many clear warnings in Scripture to the believer that you plainly ignore (Because you do not find those verses comforting to you). You cannot make a real world example out of your false belief and you cannot defend any sense of morality or goodness with what you believe, either. You know you are wrong deep down for believing as you do, but you just cannot bring yourself to see it. OSAS is a doctrine of immorality because it takes away the consequences of sin in a believer's life. This leads to sin and not holiness. Real life teaches us this. For if I take away the consequences of one being overweight by giving them a natural miracle cure then they will have no reason or incentve to eat correctly anymore. Surely you must understand this basic truth. The question is: Why do you not want to see it, though.

 

[notuptome]

Where do you see pride? Pride in what exactly? Do you see me boast of myself? Do you see me boast in a belief that I created? The Bible has many clear warnings in Scripture to the believer that you plainly ignore (Because you do not find those verses comforting to you). You cannot make a real world example out of your false belief and you cannot defend any sense of morality or goodness with what you believe, either. You know you are wrong deep down for believing as you do, but you just cannot bring yourself to see it. OSAS is a doctrine of immorality because it takes away the consequences of sin in a believer's life. This leads to sin and not holiness. Real life teaches us this.

Your continuous degrading of others. Your high opinion of yourself. Your hatred for the continuing need for Gods grace. I could go on but unless and until you perceive how God sees you and not as you see yourself there is no virtue in the discussion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jason0047]

You have judged me. You have misjudged. Yes you have. Repent. You have no idea what I found funny.
By the way, you continue to wear an arrogant look. You, dear sir, need to repent for arrogance.

You said you laughed when Skylove said this...

"Good grief Jason
This thread topic is a simple question...
Yet...as usual you have to write a novel...that ends in arguments.
Can you just ever answer a simple question?
Sheesh
Lord help me...its just.....rollseyes"​

 

[Jason0047]

Your continuous degrading of others. Your high opinion of yourself. Your hatred for the continuing need for Gods grace. I could go on but unless and until you perceive how God sees you and not as you see yourself there is no virtue in the discussion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Show me post #'s.; And then we can discuss it like gentlemen instead of just throwing mindless accusations around. For when I condemn, I strive to do by the good ways of the Bible. For when I judge, it is usually only:

(a) To a group of individuals generally who hold to a false belief (and not so as to make it as a personal attack).
(b) To someone who has done something specifically wrong.
(c) If someone has judged me wrongfully.

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you.

 

[skylove7]

Sigh....

Any thread Jason begins
Even with a simple question...
You better believe his intentions are to make us all feel like

"We're Not Worthy"

In the brilliant quote of 'Wayne and Garth'

In 'Wayne's World'

Yes I saw it Jason
No I don't have to repent.

Anyhow I am going to answer the question simply.

One week to live?

I'd already know God knows my true heart
Check

I'd likely spend one day
Emailing or calling ALL people closest to my heart
Saying
"I Love You...please know that!"

Third...I'd spend time in the forest
Praising
Waiting

Oh and I'd write as much poetry as I could

Leave something behind
Of my love

Thats bout all
God bless!

 

[notuptome]

Show me post #'s.; And then we can discuss it like gentlemen instead of just throwing mindless accusations around. For when I condemn, it is usually only:

(a) To a group of individuals generally who hold to a false belief.
(b) To someone who has done something specifically wrong.
(c) If someone has juidged me wrongfully.

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you.

False piety is your specialty. The old I haven't done anything wrong that you can pin on me excuse.

Let me try to be clear for you. It's not what you think of yourself nor what I think of you but how God sees you.

Scripture teaches that any good thing in us is because of Christ and not of ourselves. Until we rid ourselves completely of self we cannot be good. In our flesh dwells no good thing. I far as I know you still reside in a body of flesh and blood. Correct me if I'm wrong. The body of flesh will always oppose the leading of the Spirit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[skylove7]

Sigh....

Any thread Jason begins
Even with a simple question...
You better believe his intentions are to make us all feel like

"We're Not Worthy"

In the brilliant quote of 'Wayne and Garth'

In 'Wayne's World'

Yes I saw it Jason
No I don't have to repent.

Anyhow I am going to answer the question simply.

One week to live?

I'd already know God knows my true heart
Check

I'd likely spend one day
Emailing or calling ALL people closest to my heart
Saying
"I Love You...please know that!"

Third...I'd spend time in the forest
Praising
Waiting

Oh and I'd write as much poetry as I could

Leave something behind
Of my love

Thats bout all
God bless!

Ahem.......

He will dispute this post

Folks lol wait and see haha

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I didn't forget it, just don't have a lot of time this week to tackle such a post yet. I have been really busy and only had time to give quick responses to short posts. But thanks for the reminder.

Side Note:

But please take note that there is probably nothing new that I have not already answered before with OSAS proponents over the many years before. It's the same ole sad excuses and bag of tricks that is ultimately set out to defend a sin and still be saved doctrine (that goes against the many warnings in the Bible, ignores morality, and cannot be made into a real world example or parable).

Understood. And to address your side note: I share similar sentiments towards the anticipated reply you may give, only difference being that you are a Sinless Perfectionism Proponent -- and I would like to remind you that I am not an "OSAS Proponent".

 

[Jason0047]

Understood. And to address your side note: I share similar sentiments towards the anticipated reply you may give, only difference being that you are a Sinless Perfectionism Proponent -- and I would like to remind you that I am not an "OSAS Proponent".

If you are not an OSAS Proponent, then why do you appear to "like" or side with those who do believe that way? Just need a clear understanding on what you believe. Do you not believe you can sin and still be saved? Do you not believe you can not fall away from the faith? Or is it just the label you do not like? OSAS is merely an abbreviation for the belief known as Once Saved Always Saved. Are you saying you do not believe in OSAS or Eternal Security?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

If you are not an OSAS Proponent, then why do you appear to "like" or side with those who do believe that way? Just need a clear understanding on what you believe. Do you not believe you can sin and still be saved? Do you not believe you can not fall away from the faith? Or is it just the label you do not like? OSAS is merely an abbreviation for the belief known as Once Saved Always Saved. Are you saying you do not believe in OSAS or Eternal Security?

1. I don't know why I appear that way, to you. Perhaps you could tell me.
2. I sinned yesterday and asked for forgiveness -- I believe I am saved. So, you tell me how to answer your question: "Do you not believe you can sin and still be saved?" No; I do not, 'not believe I can sin and still be saved' -- for, I just sinned yesterday and repented immediately. Thus, I can sin and still be saved. Does this mean I believe I have a "license to sin" -- meaning I can just go around committing whatever sins I want, whenever I want, because I know I can always just repent -- NO! God knows my heart -- God knows my intentions, motivations -- God knows me better than I know me.
3. (Do you not believe you can not fall away from the faith?) - No; I do not, not believe (do you see how difficult your questions are to answer because of the choice of wording? Why not simply ask "Do you believe" rather than "Do you not believe" ???) I believe people can fall away from the faith -- I believe this is possible.
4. (Or is it just the label you do not like?) What label? I'm not following you here.
5. (OSAS is merely an abbreviation for the belief known as Once Saved Always Saved. Are you saying you do not believe in OSAS or Eternal Security?)

I have (obviously) not studied "OSAS" and "Eternal Security" as much as you -- so I cannot simply give you a yes/no to this question;
Look at it this way: I gave my life to Christ at age 13. Somewhere in those first few years, the topic of OSAS came up in conversation (I had never heard of it before). It was explained to me like this:

Those who believe in OSAS believe that a person could simply utter the name of Jesus (or state that they believe) and then go murder someone and still be saved. (Note: This is obviously an extreme illustration that could be true of only the most extreme OSAS Proponents.) They went on to explain that WE BELIEVE, once a person has committed their life to Christ, that their old self is dead and a new self is born -- we must DO OUR BEST to live like Christ, with this new self. A person who calls on Jesus to save them, and then murders someone -- is not attempting to live like Christ, but is doing quite the opposite -- they have fallen, or backslid, or flat-out rejected.

99.99% of those who (I have seen) disagree with you in these forums will agree with my understanding, as I have described above. We are those who put our hope in Christ.

The issue that we seem clash on the most, with you, is that of: Will we continue to sin until our physical death?

Ultimately, after a couple weeks of conversation with you and others on these forums -- I think I am right where I was when we started: Perfection is our goal, but our sinful nature is reality.

Perhaps it is possible, for a human to cease sinning in this lifetime -- I have not argued with you on this.
I agree, that it is even a good goal -- to strive to be sinless.

But, do I think Jesus taught that we ARE REQUIRED TO BE SINLESS AND PERFECT (in our present physical state on planet Earth) prior to entrance into His Kingdom? No. -- and this, we've argued.

I still remain here: It is a wise goal -- to strive to be sinless. Is it a requirement, or possibility for EVERYONE? Requirement, no. Possibility, maybe.

I think most people (most Christ-followers here on CC) agree.

Side note: You've told me, twice, that you have not had time to reply to my "lengthy" response. I can clearly see that you have spent SEVERAL HOURS on this website, responding to various "short" (as you say) postings. Perhaps you have too many unresolved conversations floating around the internet -- just something to consider.

Also, since most of your conversations are centered around the same idea (Sinless Perfectionism), I want to encourage you to take the time to understand my "lengthy" reply to you -- I believe it could do us ALL some good, not just you and I.

Oh, and thinking about your first question here: (If you are not an OSAS Proponent, then why do you appear to "like" or side with those who do believe that way?) Perhaps it is because I have been attempting to understand the conversation as a whole -- and I can clearly see where you have misunderstood others and others have misunderstood you. So, when you appear to be forcing your extreme stance on Sinless Perfectionism onto others -- even going so far as to say that we are unsaved if we do not subscribe to your point of view -- then you better believe I am going to be supporting fellow Christ-followers who have like-minded understandings. This is what I meant by saying that I'm more like a sheepdog than a sheep; sure, the Shepherd watches over the flock -- but the sheepdog assists in keeping the wolves away from the flock. Reference: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/118894-suicide-hell-9.html#post2210478

 

[Sirk]

I know what Jason would do if he only had one week to live. He'd keep flogging this same old dead horse post after post and on the last day Jesus would say....wow...what a colossal waste of time. Shame on you.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I know what Jason would do if he only had one week to live. He'd keep flogging this same old dead horse post after post and on the last day Jesus would say....wow...what a colossal waste of time. Shame on you.

I think the Spirit is moving him. Let's not lose hope for this man.

 

[spiritlife7]

If you knew you had one week to live, what would be different in your life with God?

I would stop sinning for week and get to heaven according to Jason's gospel.

 

[erikanutella]

Nice Thread

If I would have a week to be alive and I'll be dead after ..

I would definitely evangelize every second of my remaining days
I will be happy my pains will end and I will be with the father
I know what's the end of my faith
I will never be afraid .. I have my assurance in salvation

The Hardship ends I won the race and soon will get the prize! The Crown of Life.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Nice Thread

If I would have a week to be alive and I'll be dead after ..

I would definitely evangelize every second of my remaining days
I will be happy my pains will end and I will be with the father
I know what's the end of my faith
I will never be afraid .. I have my assurance in salvation

The Hardship ends I won the race and soon will get the prize! The Crown of Life.

Are you without sin? Are you certain that all sin is removed from your life? Are you sinless, and perfect?

;-) Welcome to the discussion.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

99.99% of those who (I have seen) disagree with you in these forums will agree with my understanding, as I have described above.

More reference: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...se-answer-few-questions-me-3.html#post2210873

 

[Sirk]

Nice Thread

If I would have a week to be alive and I'll be dead after ..

I would definitely evangelize every second of my remaining days
I will be happy my pains will end and I will be with the father
I know what's the end of my faith
I will never be afraid .. I have my assurance in salvation

The Hardship ends I won the race and soon will get the prize! The Crown of Life.

There are probably hundreds of threads, many started by Jason, of the evils of osas and the sinless perfection of Jason. Many of them are misleading in that his intention is to start, yet again, another argument. I would bet 99% of his posts concern osas and sinless perfection.