Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!
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If not sinning was easy then everyone would be Christian. No matter how one tries to rationalize it if the bible says its a sin then it's a sin. Maybe if people leaned closer to God a little more rather than succumbing to temptation then conversations like this wouldn't exist. This is a lesson I'm learning myself. Not about homosexuality but other things.
God gives us the desires of our hearts. If we have a wicked heart's desire, how can God work on our behalf? How is that pleasing to God? What does the Lord teach us about the renewed mind?
Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
What about the teaching that we are to take every thought captive to the obedience of Jesus Christ?
2 Corinthians 10:4-5
The weapons we use in our fight are not made by humans. Rather, they are powerful weapons from God. With them we destroy people’s defenses, that is, their arguments [SUP]5 [/SUP]and all their intellectual arrogance that oppose the knowledge of God. We take every thought captive so that it is obedient to Christ.
Romans 12:2
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
What about the teaching that we are to take every thought captive to the obedience of Jesus Christ?
2 Corinthians 10:4-5
The weapons we use in our fight are not made by humans. Rather, they are powerful weapons from God. With them we destroy people’s defenses, that is, their arguments [SUP]5 [/SUP]and all their intellectual arrogance that oppose the knowledge of God. We take every thought captive so that it is obedient to Christ.
If it is okay to choose gender, then it is okay to choose race, and okay to choose your parents social status.
These are things you are born with. They are not choices we make, but variables that we work with.
Just because I believe that I was supposed to be born with rich parents and a trust fund, does not mean that I can pretend to be rich and spend money like I'm rich, and expect other people to accept my financially irresponsible lifestyle.
There is no such thing as "gender identity". There is just gender, and sexual deviance. No one was "born that way" in any other sense than that all are born into sin.
What sins you choose don't matter. Sin is sin. Repent and they will be forgiven, and the Spirit will help you overcome, by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.
These are things you are born with. They are not choices we make, but variables that we work with.
Just because I believe that I was supposed to be born with rich parents and a trust fund, does not mean that I can pretend to be rich and spend money like I'm rich, and expect other people to accept my financially irresponsible lifestyle.
There is no such thing as "gender identity". There is just gender, and sexual deviance. No one was "born that way" in any other sense than that all are born into sin.
What sins you choose don't matter. Sin is sin. Repent and they will be forgiven, and the Spirit will help you overcome, by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.
Was the liar "born that way?"
Was the thief "born that way?"
Was the drug dealer "born that way?"
Was the promiscuous girl "born that way?"
No.
They ended up "that way" by choice,
as we all were once in "that way"
before we found "the Way".
All mankind is responsible for their own individual sins.
God is not responsible for your sins.
YOU ARE.
Stop making excuses, and repent.
Was the thief "born that way?"
Was the drug dealer "born that way?"
Was the promiscuous girl "born that way?"
No.
They ended up "that way" by choice,
as we all were once in "that way"
before we found "the Way".
All mankind is responsible for their own individual sins.
God is not responsible for your sins.
YOU ARE.
Stop making excuses, and repent.
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Maybe because one can be born with the inclination to do what is bad in God's eye's?. No one human being asked to be born into a sinful condition. Under normal circumstances humans have free will which is free choice, i can choose to act or not to act but i can not change the fact i was born with the desire to act.
Psalm 51:5
Look, I was guilty of sin from birth, a sinner the moment my mother conceived me.
Genesis 6:5
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts--murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
Psalm 51:5
Look, I was guilty of sin from birth, a sinner the moment my mother conceived me.
Genesis 6:5
Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts--murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
i wasn't aware that freewill had been removed. are people born a certain way? yes, they are born sinful. to say that there isn't a choice, is to remove all responsibility from self and negates free will. physical attraction is based on desire. what you desire, isn't always whats best for you. rejecting what you desire is one of the hardest things a person can do. do we need to reject all the things we desire? no, but with the bible as a guide we should try and reject our sinful desires.
to call homosexuality sinful will shut off any homosexual from wanting to continue the discussion. they do not feel sinful, they do not feel what they are doing is wrong. the physical gratification they get, reinforces their thoughts that its normal. most unrepentant sinners also feel this way about the other sins they are also committing.
gratification of the flesh based on physical attraction or desire is not a spiritual act, for either the heterosexual or homosexual. this is why couples are supposed to be married before having a physical relationship. your vows are about your spiritual connection made before God. if they are only getting married because of the other person is physically/desirable sexually, odds are its not going to be a happy or long marriage. physical/sexual desires alone are not to be a deciding factor on who you marry and sleep with.
it's about a spiritual connection between two people. that spiritual connection between two people can happen between any two people. this does not mean there has to be a sexual nature between the two people. we have a choice in deciding who we will or will not have a physical relationship with.
why cant we have that physical/spiritual relationship with who ever we want to? well you can actually, but according to the bible you shouldn't be doing that with someone who is the same sex as you. i'm pretty sure it also says you shouldn't be doing it with your family members or with someone who isn't consensual or someone who is a child. most people will agree you shouldn't have sex with your family, children or though rape. no one is locked in at birth to being a heterosexual,pedophile,rapist,incestuous,asexual,homosexual or even a Christian. to claim otherwise negates freewill or choice.
what two consenting adults do is their own business, it's none of my business, but it certainly is part of Gods business. the bible has rules about what two consenting adults can and cannot do. to deny there is a choice is to deny freewill. to deny freewill/choice is to deny responsibility for our actions. if we have no freewill/choice in our actions than why is there a bible trying to guide us in making those choices. if there is no freewill/choice why are we held responsible for our sins? to deny freewill/choice is to deny God.
in order for us to accept that homosexuality is a not a choice, we have to deny our faith in God, the bible, ourselves and in freewill. we literally have to deny the choice we have personally made to believe. all so that we can accept the theory that YOU don't have a choice. after all if YOU do not have a choice, how in the hell do WE have a choice.
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Saints I agree with most of the replies here. If we swing our swords to cut off ears what have we accomplished. We all know what is written in scripture about the matter, but where do we go from there. Weather it's a product of fallen man, twisted DNA demonic influences, or all three does not resolve the debate. I think that the afflictions that come with the practice do cause certain people to seek help, others that are trapped and in darkness I pray for, and those that want to pleasure themselves and teach others to do so I pray against. May the Lord use us according to his desire in the matter. Jesus did not come into this world to condemn for it is already condemned, but he has come to save us out of it.
True.
My comment was towards those who do add judgement towards gays.
our job is to be a part of making them disciples
Matthew 28
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.”[/FONT]
My comment was towards those who do add judgement towards gays.
our job is to be a part of making them disciples
Matthew 28
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.”[/FONT]
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Saying your born gay , does not prove anything. The scriptures say we are born sinners. I have to deal with the fact that my nature is to sin. Homosexuality is just another sin. I don't have to deal with that sin but I do others. Repent and stop with the " I was born like this" argument. I was born a sinner as well. I still have to repent.
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So were you born left or right handed?,it may feel you were born left or right handed but science has determined our dexterity is shaped by the environment .
Similarly there is no ''Gay gene'' just as there is no ''missing link''.
The world floods you with falsehoods everyday and a lot of the time theories are often passed of as truths,take ''The theory of Evolution'' which is a shakey theory at best being passed of in our classrooms as a truth,the world is full of lies,a place where it's ''all good'',there are no absolutes in this world and no rights or wrongs, it's all about feelings (if it feels good do it !!)
Human beings are very malleable creatures and that includes their sexuality just take Elton John who started life as a hetrosexual or Freddy Mercury( of the band queen)also started life as hetrosexual, Elton John would have made Bruce Willis look like a Fairy back in the day(I saw the clips) then something changed, likely his environment changed him,most of his colleagues were homosexual,it was all around him,add to that his masterbation which was probably out of control along with the substance abuse and we can see a lot of doors being opened to evil influences of the spiritual kind.
Only a few years ago Homosexuality was classified as a disorder and in a way they had it right,so then if Homosexuality is no longer a disorder then OCD,schizophrenia,Psychosis ,ect....may as well be taken off the list too.
Godless civilizations fall it's right through the bible and history tells us that ALL civilizations who have foolishly embraced homosexuality as part of their culture have soon met destruction.
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The bible says everything is a sin (just about, anything that is fun). Sex between Married people can also be a sin, if you are practicing lewd sexual behavior. But, that one is not really obvious to the outside world so the good Christians get away with this one. So, do you think its Ok for married couples to do what the gays are doing?
I am not in favor of gay behavior, but if a family member were to be one I would not outcast him. ASnd, I would love them equally. And, probably so would Jesus.
God does make mistakes with human bodies, I saw a two headed person/persons. Some people are born with both genitals on one body.
What I think is rude, is people that think they are better than others, just cause they are not gay.
Some are not born that way, it has to do with how they were reared (no pun intended).
And, others seem to be feminine or masculine from birth. And, that is true; I have witness it. And, when they get older they are attracted to the opposite sex.
Whats wrong with the Homophobia is that in the USA, we have freedom of religion and freedom of no religion. It is not right to push your beliefs on anyone, to such extremes.
If the bible was for sure for real is one thing but nobody knows if the bible is for sure for real. I question its authenticity. Who is 100% sure that the bible is for real? If you say you are 100% sure that the bible is 100% accurate, then you would not need faith. And, this web site would not have so much bickering. So because of your faith and belief you still do not have a right to degrade and punish gay activity.
The Catholics forced most of its members in the begging to join and follow their teachings, and they were wrong.
OK , so the gays are going to Hell for sure. but, meanwhile good Christians are suppose to make their life on earth a living Hell? Shame on you, the gays made their bed so let them lie in it.
Do you want to be all righteous and be like the Christian who shot the abortion Doctor to really prove your point or what. How far are you going to go with this. Are we suppose to walk around with our bibles and point fingers? The bible says take the log out of your eye first.
I am not in favor of gay behavior, but if a family member were to be one I would not outcast him. ASnd, I would love them equally. And, probably so would Jesus.
God does make mistakes with human bodies, I saw a two headed person/persons. Some people are born with both genitals on one body.
What I think is rude, is people that think they are better than others, just cause they are not gay.
Some are not born that way, it has to do with how they were reared (no pun intended).
And, others seem to be feminine or masculine from birth. And, that is true; I have witness it. And, when they get older they are attracted to the opposite sex.
Whats wrong with the Homophobia is that in the USA, we have freedom of religion and freedom of no religion. It is not right to push your beliefs on anyone, to such extremes.
If the bible was for sure for real is one thing but nobody knows if the bible is for sure for real. I question its authenticity. Who is 100% sure that the bible is for real? If you say you are 100% sure that the bible is 100% accurate, then you would not need faith. And, this web site would not have so much bickering. So because of your faith and belief you still do not have a right to degrade and punish gay activity.
The Catholics forced most of its members in the begging to join and follow their teachings, and they were wrong.
OK , so the gays are going to Hell for sure. but, meanwhile good Christians are suppose to make their life on earth a living Hell? Shame on you, the gays made their bed so let them lie in it.
Do you want to be all righteous and be like the Christian who shot the abortion Doctor to really prove your point or what. How far are you going to go with this. Are we suppose to walk around with our bibles and point fingers? The bible says take the log out of your eye first.
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