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The trinity or Godhead is three distinct persons that make up one essence. They are the same in nature and they are one. They have different functions and operations that accomplish one purpose. They all work as one Godhead and are inseparable. They never disagree and are indivisible. They are eternal, they are co-equal and express one God who is above all and created all things in heaven and in earth. The were not created and can not be destroyed.

Take salvation as an example of their distinct persons and their oneness to operate and accomplish the work and eternal purpose of salvation.

- God the Father planned it

- God the Son executed the plan,

- God the Holy Spirit reveals it to the heart of man
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
joint-heir said:
My problem with this partial emptying is that the Godhead is diminished. When Jesus put aside, as I believe, His omniscience, His omnipotence, and His omnipresence, the Godhead was not diminished. This is one strength of the Trinity.
By the way, your attempt to intimidate me because of my decade with the I.R.S. will not succeed. If you are interested, I was a Tax Law Specialist with the Seattle District from 1985 to 1995. If you have any questions about the particular tax advantages available under the law for ministers, I would be happy to answer them. I was in ministry for seven years before, served in churches during my service with the IRS and have continued for the fifteen years since. I have been in Orofino for eleven years.
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YOUR BIBLE VERSION MIGHT SAY HE EMPTIED HIMSELF OUT
BUT
THE CORRECT VERSION THE KJV
DOES NOT SAY THAT
SO THE VERSION YOU HAVE
IS OBVIOUS OF A MAN WHO FOUND A WAY TO MAKE A STAB
AT HIS PERSONAL 3 PERSONS GOD VIEW

THE KJV DOES NOT SAY THIS
SO JESUS HAD FULL POWER AS GOD
BUT DID NOT REVEAL HIMSELF
IN GLORY
LIKE WE WILL SEE IN THE 2ND ADVENT AT BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON
SO
GOD WAS STILL EVERYWHERE EVEN ON EARTH ALL AT SAME TIME
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shad said:
The trinity or Godhead is three distinct persons that make up one essence. They are the same in nature and they are one. They have different functions and operations that accomplish one purpose. They all work as one Godhead and are inseparable. They never disagree and are indivisible. They are eternal, they are co-equal and express one God who is above all and created all things in heaven and in earth. The were not created and can not be destroyed.

Take salvation as an example of their distinct persons and their oneness to operate and accomplish the work and eternal purpose of salvation.

- God the Father planned it

- God the Son executed the plan,

- God the Holy Spirit reveals it to the heart of man
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EVEN IF THIS WERE TRUE
WHO DO YOU PRAY TO WITHOUT BREAKING
HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME...?

HAD THERE BEEN 3 PERSONS THEN EZEKIEL 1:26 IS LYING TO US
ONLY ONE THRONE OF GOD IS DESCRIBED NOT 3
AND GOD IS DESCRIBED AS ONE IN THE LIKENESS OF MAN
SINCE
THE ONE GOD IS DESCRIBED AS A MAN ON HIS ONE THRONE
FOR THERE TO BE 3
THERE HAS TO BE 3 LIKENESSES OF MAN WALKING AS GOD
AND THAT IS HERITIC AND NOT SCRIPTURAL
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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shad said:
The trinity or Godhead is three distinct persons that make up one essence. They are the same in nature and they are one.
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Well there is the problem, "three distinct persons", that would be 3 individuals.

Distinct - "Distinguished as not being the same, not identical; seperate, different in nature or quallities; dissimilar.

As you can see the statement regarding the Trinity is contradictory.


They have different functions and operations that accomplish one purpose.
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This is conjecture. biblically "Of My own self I can do nothing" disproves the statement that Jesus is acting differently and independently of the Father.

They all work as one Godhead and are inseparable.
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Distinct - "Distinguished as not being the same, not identical, etc.


They never disagree and are indivisible.
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See abve.

They are eternal, they are co-equal
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God claims He has no equals.


and express one God who is above all and created all things in heaven and in earth. They were not created and can not be destroyed.
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'They', means more than one, so this is a polytheistic claim on the Eternal.

Take salvation as an example of their distinct persons and their oneness to operate and accomplish the work and eternal purpose of salvation.
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Contradiction of terms, distinction and oneness are fundamentally oppossed.

- God the Father planned it

- God the Son executed the plan,

- God the Holy Spirit reveals it to the heart of man
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He is one God, not three; so God planned it, God executed it and God revealed it! How many God's? One. If there were three, there would be more than one.
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MAN GOD MUST REALLY BE WORKING
I HAVE SEEN GREAT VICTORY IN THE PAST 2 NIGHTS IN REVIVAL
AND AS SOON AS I HAVE EATEN AND RETIRED TO MY MOTEL ROOM
THEN GOT ON TO TELL HOW WONDERFUL GOD IS WORKING
I GET OUT OF NOWHERE
EACH NIGHT AN HARDER BOMBARDMNET OF ATTACKS
PAUL SAID
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WALK IN GOD AND THE PATH IS RIGHT
YOU WILL BE ATTACKED
AND I AM TELLING YOU
YOU TRINITARIANS ARE COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK WITH HATCHETS

PRAISE GOD
THE TRUTH IS BEING TAUGHT AND SPREAD
AND SATAN
THE AUTHOR OF TRINITY
IS .................................. MAD

I WONDER HOW MANY SO-CALLED 3 PERSONS GOD CHURCHES
ARE IN REVIAL LIKE THE ONESS ARE
AND LIVES ARE BEING COMPLETELY RENEWED AND SAVED BY GOD ALMIGHTY...?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
IN YOUR FACE SATAN
GET THEE BEHIND ME IN JESUS NAME
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
Well there is the problem, "three distinct persons", that would be 3 individuals.

Distinct - "Distinguished as not being the same, not identical; seperate, different in nature or quallities; dissimilar.

As you can see the statement regarding the Trinity is contradictory.




This is conjecture. biblically "Of My own self I can do nothing" disproves the statement that Jesus is acting differently and independently of the Father.



Distinct - "Distinguished as not being the same, not identical, etc.




See abve.



God claims He has no equals.




'They', means more than one, so this is a polytheistic claim on the Eternal.



Contradiction of terms, distinction and oneness are fundamentally oppossed.



He is one God, not three; so God planned it, God executed it and God revealed it! How many God's? One. If there were three, there would be more than one.
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AMEN BROTHER AMEN
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charisenexcelcis

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Well, let's use the original version: alla eauton ekenosen morphendoulou labon, en omoiomati anthropon genomenos; kai schemati euretheis os anthropos.
In the KJV: "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of the servant, and was made in the likeness of men."
ekenosen (kenoo)--deprive of power, make of no effect
But He deprived Himself, taking the form of a servant, in likeness he became a man, and changed his outward clothing being found as a man.
What He deprived Himself of is the issue.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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joint-heir said:
EVEN IF THIS WERE TRUE
WHO DO YOU PRAY TO WITHOUT BREAKING
HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME...?

HAD THERE BEEN 3 PERSONS THEN EZEKIEL 1:26 IS LYING TO US
ONLY ONE THRONE OF GOD IS DESCRIBED NOT 3
AND GOD IS DESCRIBED AS ONE IN THE LIKENESS OF MAN
SINCE
THE ONE GOD IS DESCRIBED AS A MAN ON HIS ONE THRONE
FOR THERE TO BE 3
THERE HAS TO BE 3 LIKENESSES OF MAN WALKING AS GOD
AND THAT IS HERITIC AND NOT SCRIPTURAL
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Rev. 5:6 And I saw in the midst of the throne with the four living creatures and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which is the sevenfold Spirit of God, sent out into all the earth. And He came, and He took it out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
This is a scene in heaven. As you see, there is Him who is on the throne, the Lamb, and the Spirit of God. A difficult passage for modalism, since you believe these are the same person.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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joint-heir said:
MAN GOD MUST REALLY BE WORKING
I HAVE SEEN GREAT VICTORY IN THE PAST 2 NIGHTS IN REVIVAL
AND AS SOON AS I HAVE EATEN AND RETIRED TO MY MOTEL ROOM
THEN GOT ON TO TELL HOW WONDERFUL GOD IS WORKING
I GET OUT OF NOWHERE
EACH NIGHT AN HARDER BOMBARDMNET OF ATTACKS
PAUL SAID
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WALK IN GOD AND THE PATH IS RIGHT
YOU WILL BE ATTACKED
AND I AM TELLING YOU
YOU TRINITARIANS ARE COMING OUT OF THE WOODWORK WITH HATCHETS

PRAISE GOD
THE TRUTH IS BEING TAUGHT AND SPREAD
AND SATAN
THE AUTHOR OF TRINITY
IS .................................. MAD

I WONDER HOW MANY SO-CALLED 3 PERSONS GOD CHURCHES
ARE IN REVIAL LIKE THE ONESS ARE
AND LIVES ARE BEING COMPLETELY RENEWED AND SAVED BY GOD ALMIGHTY...?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
IN YOUR FACE SATAN
GET THEE BEHIND ME IN JESUS NAME
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It is nice that your services are going well.
You are the one that started the thread and you are the one who is getting on every night to check it. If it is a distraction to your ministry I would suggest that you wait until you are done with the revival meetings--first things first. You are also doing your share of name calling.
Would you like a list. i could probably get together a list of a hundred or so and it would be only a representation. Did you know that an entire tribe of Berbers converted to Christianity recently? That was 50,000-70,000. God is doing great things worldwide and in the US.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Well, let's use the original version: alla eauton ekenosen morphendoulou labon, en omoiomati anthropon genomenos; kai schemati euretheis os anthropos.
In the KJV: "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of the servant, and was made in the likeness of men."
ekenosen (kenoo)--deprive of power, make of no effect
But He deprived Himself, taking the form of a servant, in likeness he became a man, and changed his outward clothing being found as a man.
What He deprived Himself of is the issue.
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THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DILEMA HERE BROTHER
SINCE
JESUS HEALED THE SICK AND ROSE THE DEAD
AND WALKED ON WATER AND CALMED THE SEAS
AND CASTED OUT DEMONS AND HEALED THE LAME
AND TURN WATER INTO WINE
HE DEFEATED SATAN AND DEATH AND ROSE UP FROM THE DEAD HIMSELF
AND AFTER HE PREACHED AND THEY WERE READY TO STONE AND KILL HIM
HE WALKED RIGHT THRU THEM IN THE SPIRIT
ALL.........IN HIS POWER

NOW NOTICE
AND AFTER HE PREACHED AND THEY WERE READY TO STONE AND KILL HIM
HE WALKED RIGHT THRU THEM IN THE SPIRIT
THAT IS A KEY WORD RIGHT THERE.......SPIRIT
THAT IS GOD


I WOULD SAY YOUR TRANSLATION IS NOT 100% ACCURATE
OR
YOU ARE USING A WORD LIKE BUT NOT THE SAME THAT SHOULD BE USED
TO MAKE YOUR POINT

IF JESUS WAS NOT GOD AND EMPTY
NO WAY
NO WAY
NO WAY
COULD HE PERFORM ALL HE DID


HEY MR. IRS
DID YOU KNOW THAT JUDAS WHO BETRAYED JESUS
HE WAS THE CHURCHES FIRST TREASURER
WHICH IN MANY WAYS
WAS LIKE A TAX COLLECTOR TOO.......?

SINCE HE ROBBED GOD
 
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HumbleSaint

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You know I guess this is what I would have thought and you can correct me if I am wrong. But I would have thought the the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit because in Genesis it say that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep. And that Jesus is God's son. So Jesus and God are of the same mind but 2 different beings, becuse Jesus died on the cross not God. And Jesus went to sit at the right hand of God. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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HumbleSaint said:
You know I guess this is what I would have thought and you can correct me if I am wrong. But I would have thought the the Holy Spirit is God's Spirit because in Genesis it say that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep. And that Jesus is God's son. So Jesus and God are of the same mind but 2 different beings, becuse Jesus died on the cross not God. And Jesus went to sit at the right hand of God. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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"Right hand" is the power, Jesus claiming to be the 'Right Hand' when we translate from the Greek and Hebrew idiom, is the same as saying '"I am God", which is what He claimed, and proclaimed Himself King of Heaven and Earth, all power belonging to Him, he claimed all these titles, all of them.

For example God brought the Israelites out of Egypt with "My Right Hand", thats the hand of power, there is no-one stting on His right hand, His right hand belongs to Him, that's His dexter, dexios
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Rev. 5:6 And I saw in the midst of the throne with the four living creatures and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which is the sevenfold Spirit of God, sent out into all the earth. And He came, and He took it out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
This is a scene in heaven. As you see, there is Him who is on the throne, the Lamb, and the Spirit of God. A difficult passage for modalism, since you believe these are the same person.
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And another where it is hard to reconcile, John 10:18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father." This clearly shows two personalities, Jesus, and His Father, who has given Him authority to lay down His live and to take it up again. Later, in another passage Jesus speaks of His leaving, and of the necessity of His leaving, because if He does not leave, then the Holy Spirit will not be sent from the Father. This shows 3 definite personalities. Even more difficult to reconcile. And in the letter to the Hebrews, we find that Jesus lives to always intercede for those who are drawing near to the Father through Him(Jesus.) But most important, when I am in the Spirit, I know that there is the Spirit, who is helping me to be in God's presence, and the Son, who is My Lord, the sacrifice for me that buys my access to the Father, and the Father, who is seated on the throne in the temple in heaven, so holy and pure that only the blood of Jesus could gain me access into His presence.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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joint-heir said:
THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DILEMA HERE BROTHER
SINCE
JESUS HEALED THE SICK AND ROSE THE DEAD
AND WALKED ON WATER AND CALMED THE SEAS
AND CASTED OUT DEMONS AND HEALED THE LAME
AND TURN WATER INTO WINE
HE DEFEATED SATAN AND DEATH AND ROSE UP FROM THE DEAD HIMSELF
AND AFTER HE PREACHED AND THEY WERE READY TO STONE AND KILL HIM
HE WALKED RIGHT THRU THEM IN THE SPIRIT
ALL.........IN HIS POWER

NOW NOTICE
AND AFTER HE PREACHED AND THEY WERE READY TO STONE AND KILL HIM
HE WALKED RIGHT THRU THEM IN THE SPIRIT
THAT IS A KEY WORD RIGHT THERE.......SPIRIT
THAT IS GOD


I WOULD SAY YOUR TRANSLATION IS NOT 100% ACCURATE
OR
YOU ARE USING A WORD LIKE BUT NOT THE SAME THAT SHOULD BE USED
TO MAKE YOUR POINT

IF JESUS WAS NOT GOD AND EMPTY
NO WAY
NO WAY
NO WAY
COULD HE PERFORM ALL HE DID


HEY MR. IRS
DID YOU KNOW THAT JUDAS WHO BETRAYED JESUS
HE WAS THE CHURCHES FIRST TREASURER
WHICH IN MANY WAYS
WAS LIKE A TAX COLLECTOR TOO.......?

SINCE HE ROBBED GOD
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It is not a dilemma, as everything Jesus did while on earth, He did by the power of the Holy Spirit, the same power available to us and which you yourself allow in your ministry.
My translation is from the Koine Greek, but I provided the KJV for your use. The issue still stands. What was it that Jesus set aside or emptied Himself of which allowed God, who is spirit, to clothe Himself in flesh.
Matthew, on the other hand, was a tax collector, as was Zacchaeus.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin said:
"Right hand" is the power, Jesus claiming to be the 'Right Hand' when we translate from the Greek and Hebrew idiom, is the same as saying '"I am God", which is what He claimed, and proclaimed Himself King of Heaven and Earth, all power belonging to Him, he claimed all these titles, all of them.

For example God brought the Israelites out of Egypt with "My Right Hand", thats the hand of power, there is no-one stting on His right hand, His right hand belongs to Him, that's His dexter.
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So is it correct to say that God's only begotten son died for our sins or His right hand.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
Rev. 5:6 And I saw in the midst of the throne with the four living creatures and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which is the sevenfold Spirit of God, sent out into all the earth. And He came, and He took it out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
This is a scene in heaven. As you see, there is Him who is on the throne, the Lamb, and the Spirit of God. A difficult passage for modalism, since you believe these are the same person.
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CLEARLY THE THE 7 HORNS AND 7 EYES ARE THE (HOLY GHOST)
WHICH IS CLEARLY THE SPIRIT OF THE LAMB WHICH IS THE SLAIN (WORD) OF GOD
THIS ONLY REPRESENTS THE TYPICAL SPIRITUAL EMBODIED MEANT OF
THE TRUE SACRIFICED LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN
BUT NOTICE

THE LAMB HAD 7 EYES AND 7 HORNS
THIS IS ONE BODY 2 FUNCTIONS OF GOD
BUT
NOW
THE ONE ONE THE THRONE
NOTICE HIS RIGHT HAND SO THIS IS A BODY A PERSON A MAN (EZEK 1:26)
YOU
OBVIOUSLY ARE MAKING NO POINT HERE
FOR THE BEST YOU COULD GET
IS 2 SEPARATE BODIES HERE
BUT
NO ONE IS ACCEPTING THAT JESUS IS WALKING AROUND AS
A LAMB WITH 7 EYES AND 7 HORNS
THIS IS ONLY A SYMBOL OF WHO HE REPRESENTED THE LAMB EVEN FOR ISAAC

YOU CLEARLY MISSED THE POINT OF THIS SCRIPTURE BROTHER
 
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charisenexcelcis

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HumbleSaint said:
So is it correct to say that God's only begotten son died for our sins or His right hand.
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Yes. It is written in Acts 2:33, Romans 8:34, Ephesians 1:20, Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 10:12, Hebrews 12:12, and I Peter 3:22. In all those cases it is apparent that the Father is a separate person than the Son.
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
It is nice that your services are going well.
You are the one that started the thread and you are the one who is getting on every night to check it. If it is a distraction to your ministry I would suggest that you wait until you are done with the revival meetings--first things first. You are also doing your share of name calling.
Would you like a list. i could probably get together a list of a hundred or so and it would be only a representation. Did you know that an entire tribe of Berbers converted to Christianity recently? That was 50,000-70,000. God is doing great things worldwide and in the US.
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PRAISE GOD FOR THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED
BUT
IN TODAY'S WORLD
WE DEAL ON FACTS
AND PEOPLE ONLY ARE SAVED BY THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHO JESUS CHRIST IS
AND WHAT HE DID FOR THEM
IF IT WAS ABOUT A TRINITY THEN THE FATHER
OR HOLY GHOST COULD SAVE THEM
BUT THEY CANT
ONLY JESUS CAN
AND THEY ARE DRAWN TO JESUS
BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY
 
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joint-heir said:
CLEARLY THE THE 7 HORNS AND 7 EYES ARE THE (HOLY GHOST)
WHICH IS CLEARLY THE SPIRIT OF THE LAMB WHICH IS THE SLAIN (WORD) OF GOD
THIS ONLY REPRESENTS THE TYPICAL SPIRITUAL EMBODIED MEANT OF
THE TRUE SACRIFICED LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN
BUT NOTICE

THE LAMB HAD 7 EYES AND 7 HORNS
THIS IS ONE BODY 2 FUNCTIONS OF GOD
BUT
NOW
THE ONE ONE THE THRONE
NOTICE HIS RIGHT HAND SO THIS IS A BODY A PERSON A MAN (EZEK 1:26)
YOU
OBVIOUSLY ARE MAKING NO POINT HERE
FOR THE BEST YOU COULD GET
IS 2 SEPARATE BODIES HERE
BUT
NO ONE IS ACCEPTING THAT JESUS IS WALKING AROUND AS
A LAMB WITH 7 EYES AND 7 HORNS
THIS IS ONLY A SYMBOL OF WHO HE REPRESENTED THE LAMB EVEN FOR ISAAC

YOU CLEARLY MISSED THE POINT OF THIS SCRIPTURE BROTHER
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So, how does a representation take the scroll from the hand of the One who sits on the throne? The reading is quite clear as it stands.
 
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