To comfort those who speak in tongues

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PeacefulWarrior

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Tell me what happened when you were baptized in the Holy Spirit. It was awesome when it happened to me! I love to hear how the Lord has baptized His saints with the Holy Ghost and with fire. Something never to be forgotten, amen?
Something never to be forgotten, is the day I gave my life to Christ -- the day I realized that my faith was now my own, and not simply passed-down by my parents. I remember crying so hard -- tears of relief and joy. I was 13 years old. I was born-again, at 13 years of age. I had been baptized by water previously, but I think this was more by my parents' prompting, than mine or the Spirit's. But at age 13, when my parents were miles away, I rededicated my life to Christ and prayed. No magic happened; I didn't suddenly receive any superpowers -- but I know the Spirit is in me. How do I know? Others -- others can see evidence, without me even asking.
 
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Gr8grace

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Do you know when the words "will cease" were written?

Also, see VW's recent post. He's addressed this before -- you simply "write it off" as fiction, with the basis that commentary and careful study are not valid resources.

God gave me a brain, with the ability to understand logic and reason; I think God intends us to use our brains.
When "will Cease" was penned there was roughly 15 years to go until 70 AD
 
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KennethC

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What does this statement even mean?

Kenneth, It seems you ignore context when trying to support something you believe, but then argue that those you disagree with are ignoring context. It's a double-standard.
Where did I ignore context ???

Read 1 Corinthians 13 and you will see the whole context behind that chapter is doing things either with or without love.

With love they will edify and serve the will of God, but without love they will cease, be done away, not come to pass.

When that which is perfect comes, by going by the rest of the chapter could only refer to perfect love in the world. Only after the New Earth and New Jerusalem comes down will all be fulfilled and perfect love will exist, and only then will there be no need for prophecies, tongues, or any of the other gifts to exist. Because we will be with the Lord face to face !!!

That which is done in part is when doing those things without love, and that is what is done away with and cease is those that are done in part. Not those that are done by love and for the will of God !!!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Cessationism and Rebellion

Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. (1 Thessalonians 5:19-20)
Verses 19-22 discuss the apostolic policy toward prophecy. Paul writes, “Do not treat prophecies with contempt,” but he tells the Christians to “test everything.”
Cessationism is the false doctrine that the manifestations of miraculous endowments such as those listed in 1 Corinthians 12 have ceased since the days of the apostles and the completion of the Bible. Although there is no biblical evidence for this position, a main motive for this invention is to secure the sufficiency of Scripture and the finality (completion) of Scripture. However, it has been shown that the continuation of miraculous manifestations does not in fact contradict these two doctrines or put them at risk. Thus cessationism is both unbiblical and unnecessary.

More than that, cessationism is also evil and dangerous.
This is because if cessationism is false, then those who advocate this doctrine are preaching rebellion against the Lord.


The Bible commands Christians, “Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy” (1 Corinthians 14:1). If cessationism is correct but we do not know it, then we could still safely obey this instruction, although we will not receive what we desire. That is, if prophecy has ceased but I think that it continues, then I could still desire the gift of prophecy in accordance with this command, but I will not receive the gift of prophecy. No harm is done.
On the other hand, since the cessationist teaches that prophecy has ceased, then although the Bible says “desire spiritual gifts,” he will not desire spiritual gifts, since the spiritual gifts are no longer in operation, and what gifts people think they have are necessarily false. This also applies to prophecy in particular. So although Paul says, “Do not treat prophecies with contempt,” the cessationist must treat all prophecies with contempt, since he believes that prophecy has ceased, so that all prophecies today are false. His view toward prophecy must be “reject everything” instead of “test everything.” But again, if cessationism is false, then this person would be preaching rebellion against the biblical commands to desire and test spiritual manifestations.
Since the commands “desire spiritual gifts,” “do not treat prophecies with contempt,” and “test everything” are revealed by divine and infallible authority, the cessationist must present an infallible argument to render them inapplicable for today. If he cannot provide this but he still advocates cessationism in the face of these explicit biblical commands, then is it not obvious that he has condemned himself before God, even if this person is right that the gifts have ceased? No Christian should dare follow such a person or believe his doctrine. If a person preaches cessationism but cannot prove it – if he cannot provide an infallible argument for it (since the command to desire spiritual manifestations is clear and infallible), then this means that he consciously preaches rebellion against some of the Bible’s straightforward commands. Why then, should he not be removed from the ministry or even excommunicated from the church?
Since the arguments for cessationism are forced and feeble, and since the doctrine presents so great a danger, it is best to believe the Bible as it is written, and obey its commands as they are stated – that is, “desire spiritual gifts” and “test everything.” This position is faithful to the direct statements of Scripture, but it requires courageous resistance to fallacious arguments, academic bullying, and church traditions.
Inherent in this biblical approach is protection against charismatic fanatics and false miracles. The Bible instructs us to “test everything,” and since it is sufficient, it is able to expose counterfeit miracles and false prophecies. The answer is not to assert that the gifts have ceased, but to follow the instructions that the Bible has already given on the subject. This position, that we should follow what Scripture says, would offer us perfect protection even if cessationism is correct. If prophecy has indeed ceased, then any prophecy today is false. Since the Bible is a sufficient revelation, the information in it will enable us to “test everything,” so that any alleged prophecy today will either be tested, and finding it false, it will be condemned, or if the content is such that it is untestable, it will be ignored.

Cessationism teaches us to abandon some divine commands without divine warrant, and thus preaches rebellion, but the position that we should obey both “desire spiritual gifts” and “test everything” preaches obedience to the Lord, and it is at the same time able to protect itself against all deception. There is no danger in desiring spiritual gifts as long as we also test everything – if all spiritual manifestations are false, then we will expose all of them as false when we test them, and so we will regard all of them as false. A person who does this is safe from judgment.

You trust "Vincent Cheung" but call the works of the Berean Bible Society to be false?

Interesting...

Cessationism and Rebellion | Vincent Cheung

(Hang in there long enough and the Truth will be revealed.)
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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That is a false exegesis of that scripture for the whole context of 1 Corinthians 13 is about love, not the scriptures being put together in canon form for the bible we have now.
So Paul, in the process of outlining a lengthy chastisement of the Corinth church members for misuse and abuse of tongues, stopped right in the middle of it and gave a brief, unrelated discourse on love?

Tell me, Ken, how does that even begin to make sense? It doesn't.

What is represents is your willful refusal -- and you are not the only one -- to read God's word for what it says.
 
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I beg your pardon. God has said tongues would end when the perfect was come. The perfect is the completed word of God the bible.

The way tongues are handled is simply evidence that they are not of God.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Seek a closer relationship with the Lord. Know the true joy He has for those who love Him.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Talk about cherry picking verses......

You quoted this….


1 Cor 2: 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.


…and left out the following verse, which is THIS:


10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Roger, if you think you can have a closer walk with the Lord without His spirit, you are badly mistaken...and that is being kindly.
 
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Gr8grace

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I could start a church and say," thou shalt not eat of the tree of apples, because the apple tree is the fruit of good and evil."

I could make a ton of money, convince thousands to follow and make the apple market crash with the state of christianity today.
 
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The tongues you claim have robbed you of the real joy of knowing Christ. You spout falsehoods without any concern for biblical truth.

Tongues in the modern church are so addictive and destructive that they make cocaine look tame by comparison.

Scripture asserts that three sign gifts have ceased. Tongues were for Israel not for the Gentiles. Tongues were a sign of impending judgment not blessing.

The hypocrisy of the modern tongues movement is incredible. With all the boldness of Jezebel and all the dishonesty of Nimrod this spirit of Babylon continues to destroy the souls of men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You are not a good example of someone who has the joy of the Lord Roger!! LOL!!!
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Roger, if you think you can have a closer walk with the Lord without His spirit, you are badly mistaken...and that is being kindly.
To accuse this man of "walking without the Spirit" is the height of arrogance and unwarranted abuse. It reveals your true character and should result in anyone on the fence about your so-called "doctrine" realizing that you do not speak any truth, and what you do speak is not in love, but with a bludgeon. You are undeserving of any attention from the membership here whatsoever. You should be ashamed, and you own Roger an apology. You are no one's spiritual judge! As Paul said, "Examine yourself."
 
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Something never to be forgotten, is the day I gave my life to Christ -- the day I realized that my faith was now my own, and not simply passed-down by my parents. I remember crying so hard -- tears of relief and joy. I was 13 years old. I was born-again, at 13 years of age. I had been baptized by water previously, but I think this was more by my parents' prompting, than mine or the Spirit's. But at age 13, when my parents were miles away, I rededicated my life to Christ and prayed. No magic happened; I didn't suddenly receive any superpowers -- but I know the Spirit is in me. How do I know? Others -- others can see evidence, without me even asking.
OK brother, that covers the conversion :), but what about when you were baptised in the Holy Spirit? You remember it surely.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Where did I ignore context ???

Read 1 Corinthians 13 and you will see the whole context behind that chapter is doing things either with or without love.

With love they will edify and serve the will of God, but without love they will cease, be done away, not come to pass.

When that which is perfect comes, by going by the rest of the chapter could only refer to perfect love in the world. Only after the New Earth and New Jerusalem comes down will all be fulfilled and perfect love will exist, and only then will there be no need for prophecies, tongues, or any of the other gifts to exist. Because we will be with the Lord face to face !!!

That which is done in part is when doing those things without love, and that is what is done away with and cease is those that are done in part. Not those that are done by love and for the will of God !!!
Reformation Study Bible:

13:8 Love never ends. One could view this statement as a summary of the previous verse, especially in the light of the comment that love “bears all things.” At the same time, the statement allows Paul to build a contrast between love, which always remains (v. 13), and the spiritual gifts, which will cease.
prophecies . . . tongues . . . knowledge. It is likely that Paul mentions these three items as representative of all the spiritual gifts, which have a temporary, earthly function until the end of the age. Others suggest that Paul mentions these three in particular because they have a revelatory function that came to an end with the completion of the New Testament canon (v. 10 note).

13:10 perfect. The context (especially v. 12) suggests strongly that Paul here is referring to the Second Coming of Christ as the final event in God’s plan of redemption and revelation. In comparison with what we will receive then, the present blessings are only partial and thus imperfect. It is therefore a sign of immaturity for the Corinthians to treat the temporary, incomplete gifts of the Spirit as having ultimate significance. According to another view, Paul may be referring to the “complete” revelation contained in the New Testament Scriptures, which make prophecy and other revelatory gifts obsolete. Still other interpretations have been suggested, such as the maturity in love that the Corinthians should aim for, the maturing of the early church, or the death of the individual Christian.

One source suggests at least three possible interpretations or understandings -- how you can claim that yours the only truth, is a mystery to me. This is what I mean, by ignoring context; context is a bit more than simply the words before and after -- context also includes other circumstances (I believe we discussed previously).


 
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Viligant_Warrior

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I could start a church and say," thou shalt not eat of the tree of apples, because the apple tree is the fruit of good and evil."

I could make a ton of money, convince thousands to follow and make the apple market crash with the state of christianity today.
Yeah, and lot of 'em would be members of this board.
 
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I could start a church and say," thou shalt not eat of the tree of apples, because the apple tree is the fruit of good and evil."

I could make a ton of money, convince thousands to follow and make the apple market crash with the state of christianity today.
Or you could read your Bible and believe what Jesus says to you.....
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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OK brother, that covers the conversion :), but what about when you were baptised in the Holy Spirit? You remember it surely.
Same day, my friend.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (NIV)

13 For we were all baptized by[a] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Or you could read your Bible and believe what Jesus says to you.....
I sometimes use a dictionary to look up words I do not understand.

I believe God is okay with that.
 
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KennethC

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Reformation Study Bible:

13:8 Love never ends. One could view this statement as a summary of the previous verse, especially in the light of the comment that love “bears all things.” At the same time, the statement allows Paul to build a contrast between love, which always remains (v. 13), and the spiritual gifts, which will cease.
prophecies . . . tongues . . . knowledge. It is likely that Paul mentions these three items as representative of all the spiritual gifts, which have a temporary, earthly function until the end of the age. Others suggest that Paul mentions these three in particular because they have a revelatory function that came to an end with the completion of the New Testament canon (v. 10 note).

13:10 perfect. The context (especially v. 12) suggests strongly that Paul here is referring to the Second Coming of Christ as the final event in God’s plan of redemption and revelation. In comparison with what we will receive then, the present blessings are only partial and thus imperfect. It is therefore a sign of immaturity for the Corinthians to treat the temporary, incomplete gifts of the Spirit as having ultimate significance. According to another view, Paul may be referring to the “complete” revelation contained in the New Testament Scriptures, which make prophecy and other revelatory gifts obsolete. Still other interpretations have been suggested, such as the maturity in love that the Corinthians should aim for, the maturing of the early church, or the death of the individual Christian.

One source suggests at least three possible interpretations or understandings -- how you can claim that yours the only truth, is a mystery to me. This is what I mean, by ignoring context; context is a bit more than simply the words before and after -- context also includes other circumstances (I believe we discussed previously).


Just because others have quoted things does not mean theirs is correct either, as in the case of Jesus second coming.

When He comes back there are still a few prophecies that get fulfilled after His return, as well where there be a 1,000 years millennial reign of His before He releases satan again on the world that leads to the final conflict where he is sent to the lake of fire.

Everything is not fulfilled at the time of His second coming so therefore not all is fulfilled now, and also prophecy is still unfolding before our eyes therefore it has not ceased or been done away with.

Also I gave three scriptures that said that people will still do this gifts through the end times, and the end times started back with the original Apostles as Apostle John states in 1 John 2:18.

Also I am not saying mine is the only truth because there are many out there that agree with me, I am not alone on this !!!
 
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Gr8grace

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Or you could read your Bible and believe what Jesus says to you.....
I took the time and posted how I believe tongues have ceased. I didn't say "why don't you read your bible?"

I presented information from the bible and from my studies. And not ONE word about refuting it.


Just..............................your in danger!

Break my post down and show me where I am wrong.
 
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phil112

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Or you could read your Bible and believe what Jesus says to you.....
Why do you tell people to do something you won't?
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Paul was taught his gospel straight from the mouth of Christ.
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Tongues is the least of the gifts and Paul's gospel(remember where he got that gospel?) tells us to desire the best gifts, not the least.
You are a hypocrite.