To comfort those who speak in tongues
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The Holy Spirit................is God. Why would he pray to Himself.
The Gift of tongues was a gift FROM God for people to speak FOR God. Why would He speak something to us so we can tell Him what He told us?
The gifts of the Spirit is to advance the Gospel and to help the believer to grow in His Grace and knowledge.
The Gift of tongues was a gift FROM God for people to speak FOR God. Why would He speak something to us so we can tell Him what He told us?
The gifts of the Spirit is to advance the Gospel and to help the believer to grow in His Grace and knowledge.
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Havn't you ever been frustrated with your physical limitations? We have the mind of Christ in our born again mind but we have not mastered our own flesh yet. So God has given us a way to pray in the Spirit without the limitations of our flesh.
This is a beautiful "gift" He didn't have to give but He did for our comfort and edification. We don't always know what we should pray or how we should pray. That is why I specifically said in the previous post 'speaking in tongues goes against everything we know as normal rational human beings"
He has made us partakers of these amazing gifts. But we are way to often way too humanly grounded to accept them.
Like Ben asked, how can we deal with our brothers and sisters in Christ who do speak in tongue? Before even hearing about the baptism of the HolySpirit I had to just not think about those other Christians who were so emotional. Then I met many who were not emotional. For years I just let them be. It seemed some were just being led by a demon while others were actual Christians who were doing something I just didn't understand and did not want to understand.
And we are not super duper spiritual Christians who are given this gift. We just happen to have believed and asked for the gift by faith and received it. By faith. I also used to think if God was really going to give this gift of tongues, why do so many emotional and baby Christians say they have it?? I've since found out that it just takes the faith of a child. God seems to enjoy confounding the wise. It keeps coming down to all we get is from God., not because we deserve it but that we dared to believe.
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or who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Note 6 at 1Co 2:16: What an awesome statement! We haven't just had a portion of Christ's wisdom transferred to us; we have the mind of Christ! We know everything that Jesus knows!
Some people can't believe this. Their school grades prove that they don't have the mind of Christ, so what's right--their experience or what God says? In this case, both are correct.
Our physical brains are limited and certainly do not know everything. There are many scriptures that make this point (e.g., 1Co 13:9-12), including the very context of Paul's statement here.
But in our new born-again spirits, we are completely new creatures (2Co 5:17). We actually have the mind of Christ. Our born-again spirits have been renewed in knowledge after the same image of Him that created us (Col 3:10). We have received an anointing in our spirit so that we know all things (1Jo 2:20). Praise God!
So the spiritual portion of us as Christians has the mind of Christ, while our physical brains do not. This is why the renewing of our physical minds is so important (see note 9 at Ro 12:2). We already have the perfect wisdom of Christ on the inside, but we need to transfer that knowledge to our physical minds and thereby change our physical emotions and actions.
It is not our spirits that we are trying to train in the Word of God. Rather, the Holy Spirit is trying to train our physical minds to let the perfect wisdom of Christ, which is already resident in the spirit of every believer, prevail over our carnal thinking.
How can we tap this mind of Christ? God's Word is Spirit and life (Joh 6:63). God's Word has written in print what is written in our hearts in the mind of Christ. Therefore, as we study God's Word with the revelation knowledge of the Holy Spirit, this mind of Christ is reproduced in our physical minds and the life of God is released in our bodies.
This goes along with the teaching I received years before even wanting to know about tongues. The Bible verses learned years before have come alive and bring many other verses together for a better understanding just like the Bible says for us to compare scripture with scripture. This we will do as long as we are living on planet earth. Someone once said we are living in these "earth suits" that limit us in many ways.
or who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Note 6 at 1Co 2:16: What an awesome statement! We haven't just had a portion of Christ's wisdom transferred to us; we have the mind of Christ! We know everything that Jesus knows!
Some people can't believe this. Their school grades prove that they don't have the mind of Christ, so what's right--their experience or what God says? In this case, both are correct.
Our physical brains are limited and certainly do not know everything. There are many scriptures that make this point (e.g., 1Co 13:9-12), including the very context of Paul's statement here.
But in our new born-again spirits, we are completely new creatures (2Co 5:17). We actually have the mind of Christ. Our born-again spirits have been renewed in knowledge after the same image of Him that created us (Col 3:10). We have received an anointing in our spirit so that we know all things (1Jo 2:20). Praise God!
So the spiritual portion of us as Christians has the mind of Christ, while our physical brains do not. This is why the renewing of our physical minds is so important (see note 9 at Ro 12:2). We already have the perfect wisdom of Christ on the inside, but we need to transfer that knowledge to our physical minds and thereby change our physical emotions and actions.
It is not our spirits that we are trying to train in the Word of God. Rather, the Holy Spirit is trying to train our physical minds to let the perfect wisdom of Christ, which is already resident in the spirit of every believer, prevail over our carnal thinking.
How can we tap this mind of Christ? God's Word is Spirit and life (Joh 6:63). God's Word has written in print what is written in our hearts in the mind of Christ. Therefore, as we study God's Word with the revelation knowledge of the Holy Spirit, this mind of Christ is reproduced in our physical minds and the life of God is released in our bodies.
This goes along with the teaching I received years before even wanting to know about tongues. The Bible verses learned years before have come alive and bring many other verses together for a better understanding just like the Bible says for us to compare scripture with scripture. This we will do as long as we are living on planet earth. Someone once said we are living in these "earth suits" that limit us in many ways.
I live in an area of North Carolina where many immigrants come to build a new life for themselves and their families. On any given day, as I do my shopping, I run into several different people that speak several different languages. I live less than a mile from an apartment complex where many different races and nationalities are represented. If their has ever been a time when the gift of tongues has been needed, it is now. 
I don't need to hop on a boat and sail across the sea to find people who speak a different language. I don't need to rent a camel and stroll across a vast desert wasteland. All I need to do today is take an afternoon stroll through the neighborhood.
I don't need to hop on a boat and sail across the sea to find people who speak a different language. I don't need to rent a camel and stroll across a vast desert wasteland. All I need to do today is take an afternoon stroll through the neighborhood.
I asked this question in the thread about Cessationism and I will post it here considering it refers to a post that I listed in both threads:
In an earlier post, I gave a brief account of the history of Cessationism and how it was created in the midst of a belief system that embraces many beliefs that most Protestant believers openly reject. However, I have yet to see a single advocate of Cessationism defend their position in light of the information that I presented. Why is that?
In an earlier post, I gave a brief account of the history of Cessationism and how it was created in the midst of a belief system that embraces many beliefs that most Protestant believers openly reject. However, I have yet to see a single advocate of Cessationism defend their position in light of the information that I presented. Why is that?
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Ummm...the the information you presented? Maybe because some of us treasure the information Paul presented as having more authority?
I predict that in the very near future I will post something about frivolous and spurious posts that simply want to tickle neophytes ears and give them a warm fuzzy feeling, in a non-complimentary way, that I will get warned.
I also predict that I will get booted for that. I kid you not, I have simply had it. You people post to teach someone and you have no clue what the word is about.
There is so much false teaching/preaching/predicting on this site that it makes me wonder why I am still here.
There is so much bible that can be discussed. There is also so much bible that is doctrine..how we live and breathe according to Christ, that get twisted and perverted.
Want my attention before the ban? Post something false.
Want me to agree with you? Post something from the bible.
I predict that in the very near future I will post something about frivolous and spurious posts that simply want to tickle neophytes ears and give them a warm fuzzy feeling, in a non-complimentary way, that I will get warned.
I also predict that I will get booted for that. I kid you not, I have simply had it. You people post to teach someone and you have no clue what the word is about.
There is so much false teaching/preaching/predicting on this site that it makes me wonder why I am still here.
There is so much bible that can be discussed. There is also so much bible that is doctrine..how we live and breathe according to Christ, that get twisted and perverted.
Want my attention before the ban? Post something false.
Want me to agree with you? Post something from the bible.
1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
You alluded to this scripture to justify your comment to Ember to “grow up”. You have falsely concluded that Paul is referring to tongues here, but you cannot present any evidence: merely hint at it. I never see you expound the scriptures, you just pick out a verse that you imagine supports what you already believe.
You think, in the spiritual sense, that that is a grown up way to behave?
You alluded to this scripture to justify your comment to Ember to “grow up”. You have falsely concluded that Paul is referring to tongues here, but you cannot present any evidence: merely hint at it. I never see you expound the scriptures, you just pick out a verse that you imagine supports what you already believe.
You think, in the spiritual sense, that that is a grown up way to behave?
Gr8grace I have just realized something. I believe that what God says is true, that those who are rebellious against Him He will deal with severely. These tongues we are speaking of here are a sign to the unbelieving for sure, like you said, and as the word of God confirms, and also to the rebellious, and those who trust in the arm of the flesh.
So this is what I am putting to you and to Phil and Roger and VW. If the function of tongues is a witness to the unbelieving and rebellious and those resistant to God, one would naturally expect them to fight against it and hate it and argue against it.
That is what you are doing! It is YOU who are resistant to God on here! You need to receive this evidence of tongues which we are all presenting, like you say Israel must, and put away your unbelief, your rebellion, and your trusting in the arm of the flesh.
Like with Israel God has not cast off His people…neither has He cast off you….YET
I would not fancy your chances however if you continue in this rebellion, this unbelief, and your trusting in the flesh over the plain counsel of God, as we have seen and demonstrated repeatedly on here.
So this is what I am putting to you and to Phil and Roger and VW. If the function of tongues is a witness to the unbelieving and rebellious and those resistant to God, one would naturally expect them to fight against it and hate it and argue against it.
That is what you are doing! It is YOU who are resistant to God on here! You need to receive this evidence of tongues which we are all presenting, like you say Israel must, and put away your unbelief, your rebellion, and your trusting in the arm of the flesh.
Like with Israel God has not cast off His people…neither has He cast off you….YET
I would not fancy your chances however if you continue in this rebellion, this unbelief, and your trusting in the flesh over the plain counsel of God, as we have seen and demonstrated repeatedly on here.
Tell me how the gift of tongues is self induced when it is able to be interpreted and accurately portray information you otherwise would have no knowledge of? Even going so far as to mention specifics to someone about their life and yet you know nothing of them whatsoever? Self induced? How? Demonic? A house divided cannot stand, this gift glorifies God and His goodness. Emotions? Since when did emotion grant you the power to speak in other languages you had no knowledge of or give you insight into specifics in another person's life in an instant?
All these excuses as to why someone is operating in a gift you otherwise believe has ceased. Something isn't lining up here. You need to go back to the drawing board. People are speaking in tongues to the edification of self and the Body of Christ just as described in the bible and even ministering the Gospel to people in tongues they know nothing of. This being the case, something in your doctrine is not aligning with reality and may point to the fact that your interpretation of scripture is sincerely wrong.
All these excuses as to why someone is operating in a gift you otherwise believe has ceased. Something isn't lining up here. You need to go back to the drawing board. People are speaking in tongues to the edification of self and the Body of Christ just as described in the bible and even ministering the Gospel to people in tongues they know nothing of. This being the case, something in your doctrine is not aligning with reality and may point to the fact that your interpretation of scripture is sincerely wrong.
We might need a discussion on what Spiritual edification is. I have noticed that many have read these scriptures on spiritual gifts etc. under the impression that Paul was telling people off for edifying themselves through the tongue gift....as though they were puffing themselves up. But edifying means building up in a solid manner, like an edifice....whereas puffing up would be more like inflating..as with a balloon or a paper bag...the kind of thing that speaks of being prideful, SELF inflated, swollen with our own importance.
I don't know anyone who has been gifted with tongues who uses it to make themselves seem important. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Therefore any gift of God will not be given to someone who thinks they deserve it, or would want to use if to make others feel small, or flaunt it in the faces of people to intimidate them.
Mutual edification then, by this definition, would mean encouragement in the word, agreement in the Spirit, comfort in the Holy Ghost, teaching, admonishing each other in love, helping each other to see what God Himself is showing us so that all may benefit...
Whereas mutual puffing up would be about patting each other on the back when they agree with our pet doctrines, sucking up to those we think have some authority, agreeing with others so that we don't upset them even though we think they might be wrong, and sponging away the plain truth enough to write in our own version of it, hopefully to impress.
Seeing the wood for the trees I think that here there is quite a bit of mutual edification in the Spirit...but some of the other kind as well, unfortunately. Now all we need to do is to identify who the puffers-up are, as distinct from the edifiers, because the latter will glorify God at every point.
Blessings and love,
Conny
I don't know anyone who has been gifted with tongues who uses it to make themselves seem important. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Therefore any gift of God will not be given to someone who thinks they deserve it, or would want to use if to make others feel small, or flaunt it in the faces of people to intimidate them.
Mutual edification then, by this definition, would mean encouragement in the word, agreement in the Spirit, comfort in the Holy Ghost, teaching, admonishing each other in love, helping each other to see what God Himself is showing us so that all may benefit...
Whereas mutual puffing up would be about patting each other on the back when they agree with our pet doctrines, sucking up to those we think have some authority, agreeing with others so that we don't upset them even though we think they might be wrong, and sponging away the plain truth enough to write in our own version of it, hopefully to impress.
Seeing the wood for the trees I think that here there is quite a bit of mutual edification in the Spirit...but some of the other kind as well, unfortunately. Now all we need to do is to identify who the puffers-up are, as distinct from the edifiers, because the latter will glorify God at every point.
Blessings and love,
Conny