Departure From Oblivion!
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There was a great teaching today by one of my favorite teachers. I am going to follow the series from start to finish.
The broadcast is truth for life. He was talking about grace, redemption, and justification and how it all applies in our salvation.
Might want to give it a listen, it had me totally captured. Very interesting.
The broadcast is truth for life. He was talking about grace, redemption, and justification and how it all applies in our salvation.
Might want to give it a listen, it had me totally captured. Very interesting.
Originally Posted by atwhatcost
Let me give you a list of words that all mean the same thing legally:
Covenant
Testament
Treaty
Contract
Really? I'm not sure that in various contexts, they would all mean the same (in application, as well as the parties involved, you mean right? All synomous?)
I mean, an agreement between nations (treaty) is not comparable to when God is a party (covenant).
Let me give you a list of words that all mean the same thing legally:
Covenant
Testament
Treaty
Contract
Really? I'm not sure that in various contexts, they would all mean the same (in application, as well as the parties involved, you mean right? All synomous?)
I mean, an agreement between nations (treaty) is not comparable to when God is a party (covenant).
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It's called "case studies."
Why shouldn't you covet?
Adam, Eve and a piece of fruit.
Cain looking at Abe'ls burnt offering of fruit.
David checking out his best friend's wife taking a bath.
Why should God be first?
The Israelites in the wilderness.
The Israelites in the Promise Land.
The Israelites out of the Promise Land.
Why shouldn't you make graven images of God?
A Golden Calf.
Canaanites.
Most of the people who used to live in the Promise Land.
BIG case study -- the Egyptians!
What's so wrong with adultery?
David.
Jacob's daughter.
Need me to go on?
Why shouldn't you covet?
Adam, Eve and a piece of fruit.
Cain looking at Abe'ls burnt offering of fruit.
David checking out his best friend's wife taking a bath.
Why should God be first?
The Israelites in the wilderness.
The Israelites in the Promise Land.
The Israelites out of the Promise Land.
Why shouldn't you make graven images of God?
A Golden Calf.
Canaanites.
Most of the people who used to live in the Promise Land.
BIG case study -- the Egyptians!
What's so wrong with adultery?
David.
Jacob's daughter.
Need me to go on?
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And become an anarchist. Peachy keen.
Married? I guess your wife doesn't mine you're not a legalist. Fine to cheat on her? No big deal to sleep in on Sundays? A good day to mow the lawn? It's okay if your boss just doesn't bother you with the right pay for your work? I'm taking your car because stealing is kicking it no OT. Did you kick your parents out on the street? No need to honor them, right? Okay if I announce to the world you have good moves to Barry Manilow's Coca Cabana, and Mandy is your favorite song, that You sing Song Sung Blue by Neil Diamond loud and long on the drive to work, and that deep down, you like disco and have the platform shoes to prove it, it's okay to bear false witness against you? (Lying is no biggy. I just picked the music most people hate to be associated with. lol)
Really? You dropped the law? That just makes you an anarchist.
Married? I guess your wife doesn't mine you're not a legalist. Fine to cheat on her? No big deal to sleep in on Sundays? A good day to mow the lawn? It's okay if your boss just doesn't bother you with the right pay for your work? I'm taking your car because stealing is kicking it no OT. Did you kick your parents out on the street? No need to honor them, right? Okay if I announce to the world you have good moves to Barry Manilow's Coca Cabana, and Mandy is your favorite song, that You sing Song Sung Blue by Neil Diamond loud and long on the drive to work, and that deep down, you like disco and have the platform shoes to prove it, it's okay to bear false witness against you? (Lying is no biggy. I just picked the music most people hate to be associated with. lol)
Really? You dropped the law? That just makes you an anarchist.
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If you live in a land where women can't work, you're shacking up with her. Not a lovely picture and, apparently, not as free from that law as you like to believe.
We actually miss part of the law in this country that wouldn't be a bad thing -- pedophiles are killed. I wouldn't be too proud of your country simply because women can work. That we don't follow the law here makes us an ignoble country.
We actually miss part of the law in this country that wouldn't be a bad thing -- pedophiles are killed. I wouldn't be too proud of your country simply because women can work. That we don't follow the law here makes us an ignoble country.
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Originally Posted by atwhatcost
Let me give you a list of words that all mean the same thing legally:
Covenant
Testament
Treaty
Contract
Let me give you a list of words that all mean the same thing legally:
Covenant
Testament
Treaty
Contract
God's a party? He's joy, but I've never heard him be called a party before. Where did you learn covenant means party, and, since I've never heard that, can you put it in a sentence with a reference outside the Bible?
Party as in participant in the contract, or convenat - not boom box with dancing kinda thing. However, I think I misapplied it.
What is PARTY? definition of PARTY (Black's Law Dictionary)
Focus too much on bring moral order by way or enforcement, you get the opposite - statist.
So, people who are "anarchists," you say here (which is a stretch, I think - effectively saying they follow or adhere to NO rule, which is not the argument) fall in the middle where the Holy Spirit helps the believer discern what to do in a situation. For example, in a situation, there is often more than one good choice, and both having cons as well. Sometimes the right thing is against the law, or against societial norms (but not spelled out in Scripture). The Bible is not a blueprint for what to do in every situation in everyday life. If that were the case, what do you need the Spirit for? All your guidance and knowledge is tucked in the Law.
The middle road is "this is my guide for life, but since I am not going to offer the blood of lambs but I will level it against homosexual lifestyle (for example) I rely on the Spirit to direct me and help me apply it to my life." An in my honest opinion, that will not be the exact same instruction for every person in the same situation (which would be absolutely application). Because every situation while the same in principle perhaps, has different circumstances and people surrounding it, to which the solution must be tailored, not simply read and then done.
Even Jesus in healing, didn't give every sickness (even the same alignment) the exact same remedy - if you consider the miracles having spiritual significance besides witnessing to Christ.
Blessings.
What is PARTY? definition of PARTY (Black's Law Dictionary)
Focus too much on bring moral order by way or enforcement, you get the opposite - statist.
So, people who are "anarchists," you say here (which is a stretch, I think - effectively saying they follow or adhere to NO rule, which is not the argument) fall in the middle where the Holy Spirit helps the believer discern what to do in a situation. For example, in a situation, there is often more than one good choice, and both having cons as well. Sometimes the right thing is against the law, or against societial norms (but not spelled out in Scripture). The Bible is not a blueprint for what to do in every situation in everyday life. If that were the case, what do you need the Spirit for? All your guidance and knowledge is tucked in the Law.
The middle road is "this is my guide for life, but since I am not going to offer the blood of lambs but I will level it against homosexual lifestyle (for example) I rely on the Spirit to direct me and help me apply it to my life." An in my honest opinion, that will not be the exact same instruction for every person in the same situation (which would be absolutely application). Because every situation while the same in principle perhaps, has different circumstances and people surrounding it, to which the solution must be tailored, not simply read and then done.
Even Jesus in healing, didn't give every sickness (even the same alignment) the exact same remedy - if you consider the miracles having spiritual significance besides witnessing to Christ.
Blessings.
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Just a thought about Marcion. We have a large book store in London called Foyles it is well known here having opened in 1902.
Anyway I was browsing in their religious book section a few months ago and was amazed to come across Marcions Bible!! It included according to the contents page a number of Pauls familiar Letters plus his supposed letter to the Laodicians. It makes me wonder if a Marcionite church exists.
Anyway I was browsing in their religious book section a few months ago and was amazed to come across Marcions Bible!! It included according to the contents page a number of Pauls familiar Letters plus his supposed letter to the Laodicians. It makes me wonder if a Marcionite church exists.
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good...we agree
and we know, regarding the heavy type, that if you put yourself under the law, according to the Bible, you are judged by the law
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; Romans 2:12
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Romans 3:19
it can be plainly seen, that if people are judged by the law, it is not actually done away with as some seem to think
and please, to anyone reading, I am not saying that the law is judging you if you are in Christ...no, this actually applies to those outside of Christ and to those who insist on wrapping the law around their neck like a yoke...Jesus took the yoke off of the law side and put it on his own neck so that you and He can work together (that is a biblical picture)
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For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; Romans 2:12
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Romans 3:19
Looking at these verses we must consider what the law is. The law was given as an example of the perfection necessary to stand justified before a Holy God. We also must remember that God knew man couldn't keep it. It wasn't given for men to keep but to reveal their sinfulness. Having the standard in front of them, they could see ,if they were honest, that they didn't measure up. The only hope was to have faith in the sacrifice for their sin, which would eventually lead them to the perfect sacrifice of Jesus.
The standards of God haven't changed, so yes, anyone trying to get to God by their own efforts must still meet those impossible standards. Sadly they will never live up to the perfection necessary without entering through the door, which is Christ.
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Romans 3:19
Looking at these verses we must consider what the law is. The law was given as an example of the perfection necessary to stand justified before a Holy God. We also must remember that God knew man couldn't keep it. It wasn't given for men to keep but to reveal their sinfulness. Having the standard in front of them, they could see ,if they were honest, that they didn't measure up. The only hope was to have faith in the sacrifice for their sin, which would eventually lead them to the perfect sacrifice of Jesus.
The standards of God haven't changed, so yes, anyone trying to get to God by their own efforts must still meet those impossible standards. Sadly they will never live up to the perfection necessary without entering through the door, which is Christ.
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Alistair begg is one of my favorite teachers, I put the name of his broadcast because I was not sure how to spell his name at the time Atwhatcost. Sorry he's not dead but just thought I'd share.
What was it 3or4post in a row, tell us how you really feel. Lol
Give a listen I think you'll like the message he thought yesterday.
Sis just for the record I like your posts, they are from a different flavor but such a basin were heart.
They make me laugh and think it's so refreshing.
What was it 3or4post in a row, tell us how you really feel. Lol
Give a listen I think you'll like the message he thought yesterday.
Sis just for the record I like your posts, they are from a different flavor but such a basin were heart.
They make me laugh and think it's so refreshing.