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I don't see this problem lashed to one denomination. I have been to many denominations in my life, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Charismatic, Pentecostal, Church of God, Assemblies of God, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and etc. I have seen wonderful churches in all this and bad churches in all these. I have worked with some wonderful Priests and Ministers both good and bad. Its not a denominational thing. The church I now Pastor is nondenominational. I have some very good mature people and extremely immature people. I don't judge according to the outside. All I'm looking for is a heart of Love for God and the rest I can live with.
When I was a Baptist I tried to do the same thing. When I went to my fundamentalist bible college I tried to follow their false doctrines, because I didn't know any better. But something in me kept saying,"Its wrong what you are being taught". I was taught the Holy Spirit was not for today. When I received the Holy Spirit in power, I was speechless. All I could say was,"Its real and I have been lied to". But it still took years for me to be delivered from many false teachings. These teachings were ingrained in me over the years. It was only when God set me aside and cleaned me out that I truly could appreciate the work of the Holy Spirit in my life.
i find stories like this so hard to believe. like much info must be missing or misrepresented.
i suppose i must be blessed to have been, and to be involved with congregations that are actual Christians who love the Lord, love to study the whole scripture, and take what they read to heart, explaining and being taught spiritual things with spiritual.
thank you Jah!
you have kept lies and deceit far from me, and faithfully fed me out of your hand, all the days of my life!
i suppose i must be blessed to have been, and to be involved with congregations that are actual Christians who love the Lord, love to study the whole scripture, and take what they read to heart, explaining and being taught spiritual things with spiritual.
thank you Jah!
you have kept lies and deceit far from me, and faithfully fed me out of your hand, all the days of my life!
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sometimes God gives us leaders we deserve. I think it's important to know why you go to church.
I for one don't like sitting on the bench when there's a game to play, but others go because it's the right thing to do. It pleases God. I feel better. We are the church but some say that building is the church. I don't feel that it's all the pastors fault but if he's any kind of pastor he should challenge his bench warmers. He should lead the flock by example.
My church is crazy busy with all sorts of things going on but when it's time for praise and worship we let it rip. O how I love it, and the teaching is line upon line verse by verse from genesis to revelation.
Christ centered.
I for one don't like sitting on the bench when there's a game to play, but others go because it's the right thing to do. It pleases God. I feel better. We are the church but some say that building is the church. I don't feel that it's all the pastors fault but if he's any kind of pastor he should challenge his bench warmers. He should lead the flock by example.
My church is crazy busy with all sorts of things going on but when it's time for praise and worship we let it rip. O how I love it, and the teaching is line upon line verse by verse from genesis to revelation.
Christ centered.
I don't regret the time I spent in a traditional church because I learned the word of God and my relationship with the Lord developed. Then at one point my relationship with the Lord required development beyond what was being taught me because He revealed to me some bad things that were being covered up, and which I had to speak out about.
In spite of the fact that God vindicated me by proving what I had heard Him say was 100% true...they made me the scapegoat, falsely accused me and pushed me out of the assembly, rather than deal with what was in front of their faces.
What followed was foundational in growing in Christ, i.e., learning that through much tribulation enter we into the kingdom of God...and that as Christ suffered, so shall we to some extent, because that is what changes us into spiritual people as opposed to religious people.
There comes a point in every assembly where what is being taught will need to be challenged. We are all in a growing process and it is a bad thing if the pastor is so applauded that he can do no wrong. If we feel it is not our place to voice our concerns when something wrong is said, perhaps we are already dozing off and becoming immune to a deeper level of false doctrine than we know.
In spite of the fact that God vindicated me by proving what I had heard Him say was 100% true...they made me the scapegoat, falsely accused me and pushed me out of the assembly, rather than deal with what was in front of their faces.
What followed was foundational in growing in Christ, i.e., learning that through much tribulation enter we into the kingdom of God...and that as Christ suffered, so shall we to some extent, because that is what changes us into spiritual people as opposed to religious people.
There comes a point in every assembly where what is being taught will need to be challenged. We are all in a growing process and it is a bad thing if the pastor is so applauded that he can do no wrong. If we feel it is not our place to voice our concerns when something wrong is said, perhaps we are already dozing off and becoming immune to a deeper level of false doctrine than we know.
It isn't a "job", wow. And yes it DOES matter if they are paid, it means their priorities are not in proper order.
The church is the body of Christ, not an institutional denomination, so it is entirely inappropriate to take wages for what God has called us to do.
Matthew 10: 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
Also 1 Tim 3:3; 1 Tim 3:8; Titus 1:7
… and then Titus 1:10/11
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
Finally
1 Thess 4: 11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
Paul was a tentmaker
2 Thess 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Ephesians 4: 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
These things are commanded to the church of which we are ministers, all of us, or we are not the church.
The church is the body of Christ, not an institutional denomination, so it is entirely inappropriate to take wages for what God has called us to do.
Matthew 10: 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
1 Peter 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
Also 1 Tim 3:3; 1 Tim 3:8; Titus 1:7
… and then Titus 1:10/11
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
Finally
1 Thess 4: 11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; 12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.
Paul was a tentmaker
2 Thess 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Ephesians 4: 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
These things are commanded to the church of which we are ministers, all of us, or we are not the church.
Pretty much, yes, if their priorities are not the same as the priorities of God.
We are to walk in the Spirit, only then will we recognize what is out of line with Him. This is not a case of positive thinking, that if we SAY we are walking in the Spirit it makes it true....NO!
We are either in the Spirit or in the flesh. Many people have not learned the difference and put up with false doctrines and bad church practice for years. Dangerous!!!
We are to walk in the Spirit, only then will we recognize what is out of line with Him. This is not a case of positive thinking, that if we SAY we are walking in the Spirit it makes it true....NO!
We are either in the Spirit or in the flesh. Many people have not learned the difference and put up with false doctrines and bad church practice for years. Dangerous!!!
There are consequences for disobeying the word. You seem to have no problem with that.
For your info, if it will take, im a giver, not a taker. Much of my pension was called by God to make a gospel film, then give it away without charge. Giving to the poor on the street as He directs. So I have no problem obeying Him concerning giving. My problem is with the liars and thieves that extract widow's and the poor folk's money by twisting scripture. You should be concerned about that also. And if you are not, why not?
For your info, if it will take, im a giver, not a taker. Much of my pension was called by God to make a gospel film, then give it away without charge. Giving to the poor on the street as He directs. So I have no problem obeying Him concerning giving. My problem is with the liars and thieves that extract widow's and the poor folk's money by twisting scripture. You should be concerned about that also. And if you are not, why not?
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I always taught my kids when you give don't expect it back a nd never say you owe me or remember when I helped you out. In my years of giving I never said ill let you borrow this if I have it they got it.
As far as to the church I've been out of work for a while due to health reasons so this it the first full tithe I'm so thankful for this and am excited about tomorrow to do this.
As far as to the church I've been out of work for a while due to health reasons so this it the first full tithe I'm so thankful for this and am excited about tomorrow to do this.
I used to be mystified by how false teaching in churches not dealt with. Now I understand we are all not going to be in agreement with each other. There is room for people to believe somethings from a different perspective. Now the "Tithe" has been mentioned and I understand the premise of the argument, but I don't think it is worth fighting over.