The words of "others"

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JesusistheChrist

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I'm sorry, PeacefulWarrior, by I really haven't seen the "peaceful" side of you of late. You do seem to be bothering a woman who has asked you repeatedly to just leave her alone and that doesn't sit well with me. Consider yourself "unfriended". I'm sorry, but I cannot condone that type of behavior.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Kenneth they are back again LOL!!! It must be the time of day!
"they" ? Who is "they" ?

Those you disagree with?
Those you take issue with?
Those you continue to underhandedly communicate with by way of talking to someone else about them (gossip)?
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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I'm sorry, PeacefulWarrior, by I really haven't seen the "peaceful" side of you of late. You do seem to be bothering a woman who has asked you repeatedly to just leave her alone and that doesn't sit well with me. Consider yourself "unfriended". I'm sorry, but I cannot condone that type of behavior.
Thanks for that public personal message.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Hey PW I wasn't referring to you but pretty much the whole of pages 5&6, your post came up around the same time as mine but I didn't quote you.
Thanks for the clarification!

Hi Ken, I am sorry to see that the Holy Spirit was quenched on this thread since I last visited :(Therefore in an effort to restore us to our more joyful position....

....I agree with what you said above,
Stuff like this makes me sick! Instead of addressing the valid points brought up by fellow Christians, these individuals are dismissed as heretics. It's not blatant, it's very underhanded -- but it's here.

Translation:

"Hi Ken, I see that people disagree with you and I, so they must not be filled with the Holy Spirit. So in an effort to make myself happy, I agree with you."
 
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JesusistheChrist

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Thanks for that public personal message.
You're welcome. If you're going to publicly harass a woman, then I'm going to publicly renounce you as my friend for doing the same. Now, why not be a man and leave the woman alone?
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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You're welcome. If you're going to publicly harass a woman, then I'm going to publicly renounce you as my friend for doing the same. Now, why not be a man and leave the woman alone?
Apparently you missed the part where I explained that it is SHE who refuses to cease. She did it twice in this thread, I quoted her twice. She refuses to address me in private, after publicly accusing me of several offenses (multiple times).

Why not be a man and gain a full understanding of the situation, before you decide how to proceed.

Willie-T says it best:
I think the most puzzling one is when people seem to think they are supposed to be allowed to say anything they feel like.... whether true, or not... and that no one is to say anything not in agreement.
 
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theGeneral

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You're welcome. If you're going to publicly harass a woman, then I'm going to publicly renounce you as my friend for doing the same. Now, why not be a man and leave the woman alone?
He was ignoring her, he was leaving it be. She accused him twice on here, this thread, again of things he didn't do. I don't think there is a need for her to continue bringing up untrue things, yet that is what SHE has been doing after he said he would drop it. I am afraid you are missing the bulk of the story and dismissing PW based on Convellaria's untrue words on this thread alone. I am sorry you feel this way. I hate to see this woman continue this passive aggressive attack on him, and I wish everyone would just stop and leave eachother alone and agree to disagree. I have tried to ignore her, but quite honestly it is hard to sit back when I see someone I love being talked about and referenced on here and made to look like he did and said things that he really didn't do. And I understand why PW stood up for himself, no reason to tell him to be a man, just because he stood up for himself. There is no reason for all of this!!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Once again, you cannot even rightly divide what I've said. I said "people". You said that I said "everyone". Learn how to read. Incidentally, I've learned a thing or two from Spurgeon over the years, so you're way off by implying that I automatically reject Spurgeon's quotes.
Figures.

Learn how to fellowship.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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He was ignoring her, he was leaving it be. She accused him twice on here, this thread, again of things he didn't do. I don't think there is a need for her to continue bringing up untrue things, yet that is what SHE has been doing after he said he would drop it. I am afraid you are missing the bulk of the story and dismissing PW based on Convellaria's untrue words on this thread alone. I am sorry you feel this way. I hate to see this woman continue this passive aggressive attack on him, and I wish everyone would just stop and leave eachother alone and agree to disagree. I have tried to ignore her, but quite honestly it is hard to sit back when I see someone I love being talked about and referenced on here and made to look like he did and said things that he really didn't do. And I understand why PW stood up for himself, no reason to tell him to be a man, just because he stood up for himself. There is no reason for all of this!!
I'm more than familiar with this ongoing situation having had the misfortune of reading all of the bickering going on between them on other threads. Who cares IF she slandered him? Wasn't Jesus slandered? Did He have to go around defending Himself all of the time? Anyhow, I'm not wasting another second of my time on this childishness.
 
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theGeneral

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I'm more than familiar with this ongoing situation having had the misfortune of reading all of the bickering going on between them on other threads. Who cares IF she slandered him? Wasn't Jesus slandered? Did He have to go around defending Himself all of the time? Anyhow, I'm not wasting another second of my time on this childishness.
Thank you for clarifying, and I agree with what you said about Jesus, as we all strive to be like him, our emotions get the better of us at times and I do believe that is why PW spoke out again to her. That is why I did, because I guess I get so tired of it all, and I do not like to see my loved ones hurting. I am sorry if I came off harsh, I am sad because he is hurting, that is all. I will be done with this thread and silliness as well. You do make a very good point, and thank you for it. I will try to be more patient, as I am sure PW will as well, and try to let this all blow over again, and hopefully finally be done with it.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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Thank you for clarifying, and I agree with what you said about Jesus, as we all strive to be like him, our emotions get the better of us at times and I do believe that is why PW spoke out again to her. That is why I did, because I guess I get so tired of it all, and I do not like to see my loved ones hurting. I am sorry if I came off harsh, I am sad because he is hurting, that is all. I will be done with this thread and silliness as well. You do make a very good point, and thank you for it. I will try to be more patient, as I am sure PW will as well, and try to let this all blow over again, and hopefully finally be done with it.
You weren't harsh and I have no problem with you speaking up the way that you did. Believe me, I've been in enough skirmishes of my own here, but I don't hold a grudge against anybody. These types of situations linger when people take things PERSONALLY and that's a telltale sign that there's yet some dying of SELF which needs to take place. We should be here seeking to properly represent Jesus. If we're rejected or slandered for doing the same, then we ought not get bitter against those who treat us that way, but we ought to pray for them instead. Anyhow, like I said, I have no problem with you at all. Peace.
 

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I love it when I can agree with you elf it makes me feel all bubbly up inside! Smile. Can we have our words be heard by others in reflexion of Gods Word applied to today's practicalities? Of Coarse! But notice how the more we talk the more it becomes a focus on the right to hear people, not the wonderful way God speaks thru people.

The principle behind Discipleship is wrapped up in our parenting skills of influence toward God. "There is wisdom in a multitude of counselors." Yet, again, the focus word in that passage is "counselor" men driven by God not for God's sake. Should we be therefore cautious about men's writings and preaching? As equal a response to the yes of the delivery of God's Word comes the caution of Satan's ploy to defuse it's true influence.

God has left us on earth, for what? To be saved and sanctified? No, to be at it for Him. And as we 'foot' it we develop our Christ-like personality which He Himself has placed in us to influence other's. So if we are to be broken bread and poured out wine in Jesus Christ's hands for other's why wouldn't we value such a response from people to influence ourselves? We can, and should! A simple re-stating of the Gospel of the Son of God in terms that reach the very heart of people's real-time problems and needs.We need confidence in our commission in delivering the Gospel as our ordained mission, not even of our calling.

Yet, to take anything from outside in us we need the Spirit to filter it all. If He started it in you to give He will secure it within the next recipient. Caution is not unheeded however. Satan need not get us to travel for untruth, simply truth wrongly sought after, he will take care of the details in the derailing of your premise of victory from there. People personalities are also Satan's tactics. And he comes as an angel of light.The great passion in much of preaching and writings of today is to secure an audience. If you are a worker for God our object is never to secure an audience, but to secure that the Gospel is presented to men. We need to not be moved by emotion more than being mastered by the motive born of the Holy Spirit: "For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified."

Matt. 23 and Mark 7...shares a view into God's calling vs. mans appealing. In these passages note the rugged, taste-shattering language of our Lord. Men writing and preaching of God cannot be included in the purposes of God in their ego. They must be indifferent about it; A person exemplifying the Gospel has to move men to do what they are dead-set against doing; namely, giving up the right to themselves. God will never let us divide our lives into 'Sacred' and 'Secular'. We are not to be led by people who appeal to a "Special Class", but teach a non-compartmentalized walk that has Christ Jesus in all our ways. There are amazing men out there, smart, witty, full of power and influence, yet some have been focused on their gift more than the deliverer of it. They delight in the power of their following of people for God's sake. There is the Satan subtle shift! And we can begin to quote so and so more than that Jesus dude. Be diligent out there and be unapologetic of God's work in us!
 
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I'm more than familiar with this ongoing situation having had the misfortune of reading all of the bickering going on between them on other threads. Who cares IF she slandered him? Wasn't Jesus slandered? Did He have to go around defending Himself all of the time? Anyhow, I'm not wasting another second of my time on this childishness.
Unfortunately, we're not all perfect yet.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Once again, you cannot even rightly divide what I've said. I said "people". You said that I said "everyone". Learn how to read. Incidentally, I've learned a thing or two from Spurgeon over the years, so you're way off by implying that I automatically reject Spurgeon's quotes.

I know you did not say "everyone". But by the placement of the word "people" in your sentence it can mean "everyone" and by using the word "people" in the way you did it includes "everyone". If you did not mean it that way you should have said "some people". And by your argument you did reject this quote by Spurgeon. You immediately said "who said.." then you follow it up by responding "Spurgeon?" Can you prove that Spurgeon is wrong by saying "certain people"? By his use of the words "certain people" Spurgeon is completely correct in that "certain people"... "think so little of what the Holy Spirit has revealed to others".

Oh, please. I used the word "everyone" in relation to those who think themselves to be teachers and you apparently misread my post. ...

Is it possible that some rely too heavily upon "teachers" because of their own dullness of hearing and spiritual immaturity when they ought to have already reached the stage where they themselves are "teachers"? It seems so to me.
Show love.
 

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Thank you for making the statement that one can be educated incorrectly. Now go take a good, long look at yourself, being one who is a cessationist. NOWHERE in scripture is any proof the gifts of the Spirit ceased..... yet many seminaries teach it.


Remember Gamaliel? He was considered a top educator in OT law, yet when Jesus walked through the streets, he couldn't recognize his own Creator! Does it make me ignorant to say he was ignorant?

Does it make me ignorant to say all those educated people who stand behind the ecumenical movement are ignorant? Most of those people ARE seminary graduates!

Seminary was good in its day..... now most of them cannot be trusted.

Let's not forget that those who led the people to shout "crucify Him!" were highly educated scribes & pharisees.
Who says I am a cessationist? YOU!

I am not against speaking in tongues, as I have said many times, when it is done the Biblical way. In other words, a person speaks a language they do not know, and another person hears it and they know the language. Usually resulting in salvation for the person who hears it. That is the pattern set down in Acts.

I am not against miracles. Why would we pray if we did not expect God to answer? Just not in the Word Faith, arrogant name it and claim it way - God answers our prayers when it is his good will. It is not our words that create miracles, but a holy and sovereign and Almighty God.

I believe in signs. Just not the rolling in the aisles, dog barking, confusion and nonsense. God speaks to us clearly today. Sometimes he uses the small still voice, and sometimes he gives us a sign. However, like Gideon, I think signs are highly overused, and needing them are generally a sign of lack of faith, and a deep walk with Christ.

Rather than seeking the "outer" things, which were necessary at the birth of the church, God has left us with his Word and the Holy Spirit. There is nothing more exciting than seeing the Holy Spirit work in people's lives to heal people, to restore them, and to save them. And then that abiding peace that comes from knowing God and walking with him.

I see no where in the bible, including Acts, where frenzy and wild behaviour is a sign of God's presence. In fact, that is more like the priestesses of Artemis in Ephesus, who liked to whip their followers into hysteria, so they thought they had "experienced" the presence of their goddess. (Not necessarily talking about your church, Stephen, just what I have seen in WoF and some charismatic churches - personally, not on videos!)

And I am totally against the Word of Faith heresy. Wait, I said that already here, and a thousand times elsewhere. Not going into that again, unless a new thread needs to have the Biblical exegesis on that topic.
 

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Thank you for making the statement that one can be educated incorrectly. Now go take a good, long look at yourself, being one who is a cessationist. NOWHERE in scripture is any proof the gifts of the Spirit ceased..... yet many seminaries teach it.


Remember Gamaliel? He was considered a top educator in OT law, yet when Jesus walked through the streets, he couldn't recognize his own Creator! Does it make me ignorant to say he was ignorant?

Does it make me ignorant to say all those educated people who stand behind the ecumenical movement are ignorant? Most of those people ARE seminary graduates!

Seminary was good in its day..... now most of them cannot be trusted.

Let's not forget that those who led the people to shout "crucify Him!" were highly educated scribes & pharisees.

I guess God was good to lead me to a very conservative and Biblical Seminary. But you are indeed right that some seminaries do not uphold the Word of God. Utah testified to that here. The seminary I went to had another student who went to the same Baptist denomination I did. He told me about how liberal the seminary of that denomination was, which was in my home town, and I was not led by God to go to.

It can be shocking when you do read about these seminaries that do not believe the Word of God is inspired, nor are these people led by the Holy Spirit. I have to wonder why people would go to these types of Seminaries. Why would you want to serve a God you barely believe in?

Very strange indeed!

As far as Gamaliel, I should remind you that after Jesus rose again, no one recognized him, including his own mother and disciples. Nothing to do with ignorance or education. Just that Jesus reveals himself to whomever he wants! I always felt sorry for Gamaliel, hanging there on the edge, but never jumping into the water and getting wet!

Sorry, but I would never yell for Jesus to be crucified, as you well know. I would hope that I would have been first at the tomb with the other women. My life and desire is to serve Christ, with my whole heart, soul, mind and strength.

But that does not mean I will stand back and be assaulted because I do not agree with some of the outrageous heresies being posted in this forum. I will stand for Biblical truth against subjective experiences. And I do trust God in everything. If not, would I be a servant of God?
 
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"Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity. And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." (Ecclesiastes 12:8-14)

Based upon my own observations over the last 27 years, I'd say that with all of the books that professing Christians have read and with all of the studying that professing Christians have done, the vast majority of them have rejected the conclusion of the whole matter which is to fear God and to keep His commandments. Yes, not only is the fear of the Lord the conclusion of the whole matter, but it's also the beginning of both wisdom and knowledge and having been rejected by most who claim to follow Christ, the vast majority of professing Christians whom I've personally encountered have basically no true wisdom or knowledge whatsoever. Yeah, I said it. Futhermore, I'll give myself a hearty "AMEN!" for what I said because it's (sad but) true.
Hey again,

Indeed it is sad but true. It feels to me as though there is a separation going on, that there is a time period that we are currently in, when people will have an opportunity to hear the message that saves them and then to decide to truly follow the Lord....and some of course will be saved because of that, which is why we have to keep getting the Gospel out there.

In Jude 1:21-23 we read this:

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.


Two different approaches towards those currently perishing and therefore in need of salvation. Some respond to compassion but then some need the other approach before they will humble themselves under the mighty hand of God.

And then some will refuse altogether. At a given point, there will be no more time for them to decide any more because it will be too late.

Quite scary that!
 
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KennethC

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Here you seem to say that the "book of Barnabas" should have been added to the Bible.



Here you seem to say that you didn't try to say the "book of Barnabas" should have been added to the Bible.

And yes trying to say some other book should have been added is a way of adding to the Bible. In an earlier post by you you seem to say three books that are in the Bible shouldn't be there....that would be taking away from the Bible.

Using other teachers in comprehension is actually one thing God tells us that He gave to us. But also we must make sure they are credible teachers.

Not a single "book" that others try to add to the Cannon of Scripture has a credible source and a couple of them only have one copy still available to even translate.

Now you are correct in that we are not to add or remove any doctrine in the Bible but trying to add books too or remove books from the Bible is the exact same thing. You would be adding "new" doctrine too and removing "sound" God given doctrine from the Bible.


Nowhere did I say those books from Barnabas should be added to the bible, that is assuming and reading more into what was said.

What I said and was showing is that we can go by outside sources if the Holy Spirit guides us there for more understanding of what is said in the word and what was really taught.

This in no way is adding or taking away from the word, so I would respectfully ask that you read carefully what I have said and not read more into then that. Second adding and taking away from the word by God's concept is when you add things to the word to make others do things that was not written, or take away things the Lord taught and commanded by telling others they don't have to do them.

If you are going to try to pass that false assumption of on me that I am trying to add or take away, then I can reverse it on you then to and say you can never listen to another human being, read their books, watch their sermons, of use Greek and Hebrew Lexicons and Concordances or you also would be adding or taking away from the word.

You see how that is a faulty argument you make, because if you tell one person they can't use those others sources then neither can you !!!