The words of "others"

[KennethC]

Kenneth, what I am objecting to is you setting yourself as the be all and end all in Bilble interpretation, just because you are "led by the Holy Spirit", seeing that all the rest of us are too!

Anyone not being "led by the Holy Spirit" is not a Christian, because a Christian has the Holy Spirit.

So all things being equal, ALL of us being led by the Holy Spirit, there have to be others ways of correctly dividing the truth of God's Word besides, "I said so!"

One of those ways is weighing Scripture against Scripture. Another is weighing Scripture in the light of history, learning about the writers, and the original languages. Or learning someone from a valid teacher, whose books have stood the test of time, unlike internet sites which are set up by disaffected and angry people who have been rejected by the church for heresy.

When someone comes up with totally different doctrines, like adding books or taking away books, then everything that person says comes into disrepute!

And this happens because you are not correctly educated in how to read the Bible correctly! In all my quotes, I put a link to the source or the book where I got the information.

In your posts, including the one above you are asserting many things about the nature and formation of the canon, added words, words taken away, you have never posted a single source to defend your views. Not a single explanation using the original languages Instead, you rail against people with these extraneous ideas, with no support from literature, the Bible or anything resembling scholarship.

And then you have the nerve to criticize people who have seriously studied the Bible in Seminary or College who have looked deeply into these issues, using correct scholarship, by saying something to the fact that they are still ignorant!

And you did start the debate. I am not going to stand back and have you slander me, and everyone else I know who has graduated from Seminary and is serving God in multiple capacities. Like being pastors, missionaries, helping in para church organizations, teaching and leading in their local church, etc.

It is an ignorant person who says that the educated people are the ones who are ignorant. Now, not everyone who seeks further education in studying the Bible is perfect or called by God. And certainly there are many people who have studied the Bible extensively on their own, and have discovered good doctrine from their studies and using lots of good sources to support the Bible.

But this blanket condemnation of higher education to learn the Bible better is based on jealousy, pride or shame.

I think if you are going to make such completely off the wall statements about the Bible, adding to it, subtracting from it, including entire books, you better back up your claims with some reputable sources. Since you have never done that on any issue, I will assume that you are happy to remain ignorant and pushing beliefs and doctrines which are not based on any substantial research or community understanding of the Bible, the church and for that matter - Jesus Christ himself!

If that is mean, I am sorry. It is not meant for you personally, although a good portion of this can specificallty apply to you, because we are discussing your extrabiblical revelation. But it also applies to other people who are unable to correctly divide the Word of God because of no teaching or bad teaching.

Teaching, right? It all comes back to the OP, and that we should not be afraid to read from multiple sources and authors to supplement our Bible studies. But that also means knowing a lot about these teachers, and comparing what they say against the Word of God. But if someone does form a strange doctrine, they need to be prepared to give a strong account of where they learned it, and why they think it is valid. And certainly be prepared to have it refuted by people, especially those who are educated to recognize heresy when they see it.

PS. I am not talking about the Catholic Church and when it was formed, which I agree was probably sometime in the 4th century. I am talking about the numerous times you present doctrine which comes right out of your modern day RCC indoctrination when you were studying to be a Catholic.

Again you are making statements that I never said nor implied !!!

I do take correction if it is found to be biblically sound, as I have changed my stance on some areas over the years that others by the Holy Spirit have shown me. However if something you or another person tells me is this way, if I have already researched it by the Holy Spirit and the scriptures and found it not to be that way then no I am not going to agree with you.

That does not make me the end all know all person you claim, it just simply means I have already done that research.

Who is a better valid teacher then God Himself by the Holy Spirit ???

The scriptures say and show that if we have a question go to prayer to God and by His Holy Spirit He will give us the knowledge we seek, rather it come personally or by leading us to another person for that knowledge. The fact still remains the guidance of the Holy Spirit must be put first in any steps we take.

Again I never condemned higher education or learning !!!

I do not know where you get that from as I have repeated it more then once there is nothing wrong with it, but with it just like anything else you have to test it and not just take it as truth what they are telling you.

Like I have said before go and watch the Discovery and History channels when the do programs based on the bible.
Those people they have on those programs went to bible college or a Seminary school, but what they say may line up with the bible only about 15% of the time. They are blatantly wrong the rest of the time !!!

Again also I never said those books by Barnabas or any others should be added to the bible, nor did I say they are to override anything written in the bible. What I said is they do provide instruction and understanding in some areas of study.

Just like I told elf3 if you are going to say outside sources can not be used then you are using a faulty argument, because then you would have to throw out all your bible scholars, Hebrew and Greek study materials, and other books and such that you have used or read in your learning program and studies.

Again you are mistaken in this last part and I would greatly appreciate it if you would stop trying to pass RCC on me.
I do not follow their church or their doctrines, nor do I teach them, and again a document from the 2nd century (101-200 AD) can not be a Catholic doctrine or even started by them when they did not exist !!!

I am not studying to be a Catholic, I left that church because the falsehoods they taught !!!

Please stop with the false accusations !!!

 

[KennethC]

Stop picking and choosing who you think is 'filled with the Holy Spirit'.

Here is the thing as I don't think she is saying who has and who does not have the Holy Spirit, as quenching the Spirit does not mean one does not have the Holy Spirit.

It means by belittling and demeaning another person is not operating in the Spirit and thus is sinning which quenches or grieves the Holy Spirit.

For we are called to reprove and rebuke by the Word of God, and then we are to follow it up with exhortation and edifying by love and the Word of God. Just being negative toward a person who is not being negative to them is not reproving and rebuking in the proper manner.

 

[convallaria]

Here is the thing as I don't think she is saying who has and who does not have the Holy Spirit, as quenching the Spirit does not mean one does not have the Holy Spirit.

It means by belittling and demeaning another person is not operating in the Spirit and thus is sinning which quenches or grieves the Holy Spirit.

For we are called to reprove and rebuke by the Word of God, and then we are to follow it up with exhortation and edifying by love and the Word of God. Just being negative toward a person who is not being negative to them is not reproving and rebuking in the proper manner.

Thanks Kenneth, precisely and nicely put.

I think we were seeing the same thing that we had a lovely flow of discussion going on in the love of God, when three days running at the same time of day, some members arrived and posts were made with false accusations and unkind words, which is what quenches the Holy Spirit. You can feel the life being sucked out of a godly conversation when that happens; also when people want to promote and exalt themselves over others instead of trying to edify and assist, same thing.

Then there is the spiritual picture as in Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The enemy would set us all against each other because he knows that also quenches the work of God, but it is up to us to resist those evil influences above as best we can, I feel, letting our yea be yea and our no, no...and wisely keeping the trap shut if it is clear nothing can be achieved by responding . I will let you know how that works out for me! hehehe

God bless you Kenneth!

 

[Billyd]

Ken, everything that you post appears to me (and most others) to be "I am right because the Holy Spirit told me so". Whether you believe it or not, most people here are guided by the same Holy Spirit that you claim to have. I'm sorry if that is not what you intend it to be. It is what it seems to be.

When Angela posts a comment, it always seems to be supported by scriptures, and by other well documented works and usually includes links to her source. This is very much in line with the way the Holy Spirit works in my life. When I have a question, she has always answered it. We don't always agree, but I believe that we respect each others comments. I also believe that most others feel the same way.

 

[Billyd]

Thanks Kenneth, precisely and nicely put.

I think we were seeing the same thing that we had a lovely flow of discussion going on in the love of God, when three days running at the same time of day, some members arrived and posts were made with false accusations and unkind words, which is what quenches the Holy Spirit. You can feel the life being sucked out of a godly conversation when that happens; also when people want to promote and exalt themselves over others instead of trying to edify and assist, same thing.

Then there is the spiritual picture as in Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The enemy would set us all against each other because he knows that also quenches the work of God, but it is up to us to resist those evil influences above as best we can, I feel, letting our yea be yea and our no, no...and wisely keeping the trap shut if it is clear nothing can be achieved by responding . I will let you know how that works out for me! hehehe

God bless you Kenneth!

If I had posted this same comment to PW, would it seem loving to you. I doubt it! Do you know what the greatest enemy to my walk with Christ is? I see him in the mirror every morning.

 

[KennethC]

Ken, everything that you post appears to me (and most others) to be "I am right because the Holy Spirit told me so". Whether you believe it or not, most people here are guided by the same Holy Spirit that you claim to have. I'm sorry if that is not what you intend it to be. It is what it seems to be.

When Angela posts a comment, it always seems to be supported by scriptures, and by other well documented works and usually includes links to her source. This is very much in line with the way the Holy Spirit works in my life. When I have a question, she has always answered it. We don't always agree, but I believe that we respect each others comments. I also believe that most others feel the same way.

This is why you should ask them instead of blatantly making false accusations against a person first.

I know I have areas I need to still work on and speech is one of them, because I come from a very shy background where I hid from open discussions. Now though they are common and part of the ministry in order to spread the word.

Yet I still know that if it comes across to me another maybe supporting a certain stance I question them about it instead of make a allegation on them that might be false. This is why it annoys me when others do not ask me, but instead make false statements and accusations on me.

How many times does a person have to ask nicely please stop with the false accusations before they listen ???

Also your last paragraph is opinionated to because I and others have had some discussions with her where at times what she said was not supported by scripture. So we can not go around and say "always" as that would be an untrue statement.

I do agree that she has been right and align with scripture sometimes, but to say all the time would not be correct.

Even your own statement has a contradiction in it, for one minute you said what she says always is supported by scripture, but then the next you said you don't always agree with her. So either it always agrees with scripture which means you were always wrong when you disagreed, or she just all the rest of us can be wrong to !!!

 

[KennethC]

Thanks Kenneth, precisely and nicely put.

I think we were seeing the same thing that we had a lovely flow of discussion going on in the love of God, when three days running at the same time of day, some members arrived and posts were made with false accusations and unkind words, which is what quenches the Holy Spirit. You can feel the life being sucked out of a godly conversation when that happens; also when people want to promote and exalt themselves over others instead of trying to edify and assist, same thing.

Then there is the spiritual picture as in Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The enemy would set us all against each other because he knows that also quenches the work of God, but it is up to us to resist those evil influences above as best we can, I feel, letting our yea be yea and our no, no...and wisely keeping the trap shut if it is clear nothing can be achieved by responding . I will let you know how that works out for me! hehehe

God bless you Kenneth!

Yes this has always made no sense to me that why I can have respectful friendly debates with some even though we don't agree from time to time, and yet others will resort to name calling, belittling, and even go as far as condemning when disagreements arise.

We are all Christians and suppose to be operating in the fruits of the Holy Spirit (walking by the Spirit) !!!

Some still have issues where they still continue to give into the ways of the flesh, but do you see me condemn them when they are ???

No instead I will as required by the Spirit call them out on those ways and show them by God's word how we are to walk in the faith. This in no way is judging as some try to claim but is reproving and then exhorting by the word. For both have to be in place for proper handling of a brother or sister in the faith.

 

[Angela53510]

Just for you, Kenneth, since you seem to forget you were the one being judgmental and condemning people who went to Seminary. The first bolded part below:

Yes each person is given a measure of faith and lead at different times to accept different parts of His way.
Those that get on my nerves though is those who go to a bible college or seminary school for 4-6 years and think they know the bible perfectly cover to cover, and nobody can reveal by the Spirit anything new to them.

The word of God takes well more then 4-6 years to understand things completely and perfectly, as I know preachers who have over 25 years of study under their belt and they say they are revealed new truths still every year in the word.

Also if it is opposing views we can not really call them brothers and sisters in Christ, because the word of God says that there will be false teachers and that there is only one way through Christ unto eternal life, and part of that path through Christ is one sound doctrine not many opposing or differentiating doctrines.

As example: If a person claims that departing from the faith and not ending up with eternal life is impossible then they are speaking a contradictory doctrine message, for 1 Timothy 4 clearly says the Holy Spirit says that it is possible.

Plus the true definition of apostasy is one who was once in the truth but is now in false doctrine/teaching.

I was a Christian for 25 years before I went to Seminary. I read the Bible over and over, minimum of once through every year, but generally more often, because I read it in a few other languages. I also spent a lot of time doing word studies using Strong's, Vine's and before I went to Seminary - using the internet, which turned out to be mostly not such a good thing.

Then I took 7 years to do my 3 year degree, which means I was extremely thorough in each class, and learned everything I was assigned and a lot more. In my work experience, I was tutored by some amazing chaplains who really showed me how to practice the head knowledge I had learned.

So 35 years of studying the Bible. But the last 10, since I went to Seminary and graduated have been the MOST profitable, precisely because Seminary equipped with tools of ministry and studying the Bible. Seminary is not just about studying the Bible. It is also about learning to help people, to counsel, teach, and preach! It is about being transformed, as we learn how to walk closer to God, in prayer, meditation and Bible study. The original languages are also great, because I love languages anyway, and being able to understand the Bible in the languages they were written is such a blessing!

So you did indeed start this side discussion of Seminary, by condemning people like me, and saying I know nothing, despite my years of study, prayer and walking with God. To say nothing of the many friends and fellow students I met on my Seminary journey, who are serving God in ministries from prison to the pastorate and on the mission field.

But maybe relevant in this post. Because it is talking about reading and learning from teachers, which is the Biblical model. Instead of being a one man show, claiming to be the only one God has revealed his Holy Spirit to, except maybe a few friends who seem to be agreeing with you.

"And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,[SUP]12 [/SUP]to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ," Eph. 4:11-12

 

[elf3]

This is rubbish theology.

There is only one "legitimate" church and that consists of those who are born again, and therefore have the Holy Spirit.

My Bible tells me John 1:12 that as many as receive Him (Jesus Christ) to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his namevs 13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The power of God is demonstrated in signs and wonders, gifts, callings and other manifestations such as fruit of the Spirit. They are not things dreamed up by conceited man, but things freely given to the children of God, as we humble ourselves to receive.

They are not given to those who "decided to become a christian" or those who "decided to go to Bible college", they are freely given to those who are born of God....not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Anyone born of God knows that they receive nothing without first humbling themselves, but that IF they will humble themselves and receive the Lord, then all things pertaining to life and godliness are given, according to the working of His power, as follows:

2 Peter 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This is not pious positive thinking, this is fact....or not... as the case may be.

You somewhat demonstrated your error in the paragraph I made bold, by stating what people want, and what they don't want.

Therein lies the problem entirely. 2 Timothy 4:3

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having ; itching ears
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


You don't want what God wants at all: you want what YOU want.

First of all I never said or claimed this to be a theology. If you agree or disagree with my statements that's fine but again, I never claimed this to be a theology.

And second upon your very last statement...whatever you say seeing as you know nothing about me.

 

[Billyd]

This is why you should ask them instead of blatantly making false accusations against a person first.

I know I have areas I need to still work on and speech is one of them, because I come from a very shy background where I hid from open discussions. Now though they are common and part of the ministry in order to spread the word.

Yet I still know that if it comes across to me another maybe supporting a certain stance I question them about it instead of make a allegation on them that might be false. This is why it annoys me when others do not ask me, but instead make false statements and accusations on me.

How many times does a person have to ask nicely please stop with the false accusations before they listen ???

Also your last paragraph is opinionated to because I and others have had some discussions with her where at times what she said was not supported by scripture. So we can not go around and say "always" as that would be an untrue statement.

I do agree that she has been right and align with scripture sometimes, but to say all the time would not be correct.

Even your own statement has a contradiction in it, for one minute you said what she says always is supported by scripture, but then the next you said you don't always agree with her. So either it always agrees with scripture which means you were always wrong when you disagreed, or she just all the rest of us can be wrong to !!!

Ken, take of the angry shoes. Pay close attention to my very first few words.

I'm trying to help you see why what you say always seems to provoke an attack on you. I give up.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

If I had posted this same comment to PW, would it seem loving to you. I doubt it! Do you know what the greatest enemy to my walk with Christ is? I see him in the mirror every morning.

I have no problem with what she stated and I know exactly what she is talking about. Often, there are "nice" (even if people disagree) conversations going on until some temperamental crybaby shows up and starts bemoaning how offended they are for some reason or another.

Anyhow, may I ask you what that is a picture of in your avatar? I've been curious since I first saw it. Thank you.

 

[convallaria]

If I had posted this same comment to PW, would it seem loving to you. I doubt it! Do you know what the greatest enemy to my walk with Christ is? I see him in the mirror every morning.

Without knowing it, you have identified the problem: it is not all about PW!! I am not writing here to please PW but to fulfill the command the Lord has given me personally, stirring up the gift that is in me.

When someone has you down FALSELY as the bad guy, you can say nothing to them that will not be interpreted negatively. However I do believe I have always told the truth to him and have left it alone when I could not get anywhere, because he just wanted to falsely accuse and discredit me, to the point of stalking me on threads he had no previous interest in.

Believe me, I am ready to discuss important spiritual issues with him as soon as God tells me he is ready to listen. That point has not yet arrived.

I can't be pussy footing around to please people by agreeing with what they say in order to keep the peace: that is some odd and ungodly peace!

But to come into line with scripture brings the peace of God...which passes ALL understanding...and that is the principal aim.

 

[KennethC]

Just for you, Kenneth, since you seem to forget you were the one being judgmental and condemning people who went to Seminary. The first bolded part below:




I was a Christian for 25 years before I went to Seminary. I read the Bible over and over, minimum of once through every year, but generally more often, because I read it in a few other languages. I also spent a lot of time doing word studies using Strong's, Vine's and before I went to Seminary - using the internet, which turned out to be mostly not such a good thing.

Then I took 7 years to do my 3 year degree, which means I was extremely thorough in each class, and learned everything I was assigned and a lot more. In my work experience, I was tutored by some amazing chaplains who really showed me how to practice the head knowledge I had learned.

So 35 years of studying the Bible. But the last 10, since I went to Seminary and graduated have been the MOST profitable, precisely because Seminary equipped with tools of ministry and studying the Bible. Seminary is not just about studying the Bible. It is also about learning to help people, to counsel, teach, and preach! It is about being transformed, as we learn how to walk closer to God, in prayer, meditation and Bible study. The original languages are also great, because I love languages anyway, and being able to understand the Bible in the languages they were written is such a blessing!

So you did indeed start this side discussion of Seminary, by condemning people like me, and saying I know nothing, despite my years of study, prayer and walking with God. To say nothing of the many friends and fellow students I met on my Seminary journey, who are serving God in ministries from prison to the pastorate and on the mission field.

But maybe relevant in this post. Because it is talking about reading and learning from teachers, which is the Biblical model. Instead of being a one man show, claiming to be the only one God has revealed his Holy Spirit to, except maybe a few friends who seem to be agreeing with you.

I did not forget what I said and again you are reading into what I said and making it out to be more then that.

In my statements you highlighted was not judging or condemning people who go to bible college or Seminary school.

It was calling those out for their attitude and treatment of others who haven't gone to them !!!

Again please read careful what I say or have said, ask questions before making blatant false accusations, and understand just because you feel something worked for you does not mean it is needed or applies in all cases.

As others who have not taken the same route as you does not make them uneducated as you applied !!!

Like I said before I know ministers who never went to either bible college or Seminary school, and yet still have over 25+ years of study under their belt and can bible thump everybody on here including me and make us look like we just began studying even though we have many years as well of study under us.

I have 6 years under me in the ministry, and a combined 24 years of study with 14 years of those coming from a Baptist background in study classes..........

 

[KennethC]

Ken, take of the angry shoes. Pay close attention to my very first few words.

I'm trying to help you see why what you say always seems to provoke an attack on you. I give up.

I am not angry at anybody so again making a statement on me that is not true.

This is why I said ask questions before making statements, and me saying annoy's me does not me I am angry.

Annoying means makes no sense how other can continue to do this and think they are doing nothing wrong, and then try to reverse the issue on the other person instead of face their own issues.

I admitted that I need to work on my speech, do you admit you need to work on not being quick to speaking so that you don't continue to keep making false accusations on another ???

 

[KennethC]

I have no problem with what she stated and I know exactly what she is talking about. Often, there are "nice" (even if people disagree) conversations going on until some temperamental crybaby shows up and starts bemoaning how offended they are for some reason or another.

Anyhow, may I ask you what that is a picture of in your avatar? I've been curious since I first saw it. Thank you.

So you have no problem with a person who belittles, demeans, and passes false allegations on another person ???

Does baring false witness on another not matter to you ???

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I did not forget what I said and again you are reading into what I said and making it out to be more then that.

In my statements you highlighted was not judging or condemning people who go to bible college or Seminary school.

It was calling those out for their attitude and treatment of others who haven't gone to them !!!

For whatever it's worth, I understood exactly what you were saying when you first said it and even moreso when somebody else just quoted it while applying a wrong application to your words. There are always going to be those who will hear what they want to hear and it's best not to waste time defending yourself or your words. Once or twice? Fine, but when it becomes a situation where every word that you say is misapplied, then it's probably best to just drop off speaking to certain individuals. Like I said, for whatever it's worth (usually nothing around here...lol).

 

[JesusistheChrist]

So you have no problem with a person who belittles, demeans, and passes false allegations on another person ???

Does baring false witness on another not matter to you ???

lol.

The "she" was convallaria and not Angela. I have serious concerns about several things that Angela has said and on other points we're in agreement.

Anyhow, this place is like a nuthouse. It's like nobody pays attention to what anybody else is even saying.

 

[Billyd]

I have no problem with what she stated and I know exactly what she is talking about. Often, there are "nice" (even if people disagree) conversations going on until some temperamental crybaby shows up and starts bemoaning how offended they are for some reason or another.

Anyhow, may I ask you what that is a picture of in your avatar? I've been curious since I first saw it. Thank you.

When you hang around here for a while you will see many of these circling of the wagons posts. I guarantee that any post relating to any form of eternal security, tongues, tithes, or how the law is applied, will bring out the worst in select groups. Regardless of how we spin it, the current dispute sprung from a discussion of one of those topics.

Ancient water fall on Mars.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

(In response to elf...)

Also if it is opposing views we can not really call them brothers and sisters in Christ, because the word of God says that there will be false teachers and that there is only one way through Christ unto eternal life, and part of that path through Christ is one sound doctrine not many opposing or differentiating doctrines.

We (all) should discuss this openly and often.


This being the notion that some we may/must reject some (as brothers/sisters),


tho we are all of Adam.
but Ken is referring to those, born again;
genuine Christians...evidence of the Holy Spirit...


Where have we seen this before, in these threads?

As example: If a person claims that departing from the faith and not ending up with eternal life is impossible then they are speaking a contradictory doctrine message, for 1 Timothy 4 clearly says the Holy Spirit says that it is possible.

I agree. However, 'God is Judge' trumps human understanding always.

Plus the true definition of apostasy is one who was once in the truth but is now in false doctrine/teaching.

*God, Please tell me if this is me. I don't claim to be a Teacher. Tried to help when I saw need. ...*


Should my prayer remain private?
I'm not certain,
but I felt you should at least know,
I am praying.

Yes each person is given a measure of faith and lead at different times to accept different parts of His way.
Those that get on my nerves though is those who go to a bible college or seminary school for 4-6 years and think they know the bible perfectly cover to cover, and nobody can reveal by the Spirit anything new to them.


The word of God takes well more then 4-6 years to understand things completely and perfectly, as I know preachers who have over 25 years of study under their belt and they say they are revealed new truths still every year in the word.

I agree with your first sentence.


Sincerely,
PeacefulWarrior

 

[convallaria]

So you have no problem with a person who belittles, demeans, and passes false allegations on another person ???

Does baring false witness on another not matter to you ???

Hi Kenneth, crossed wires....

JesusistheChrist was saying she had no problem with what I said that Billy mentioned, not Angela who was belittling you.

Originally Posted by Billyd

If I had posted this same comment to PW, would it seem loving to you. I doubt it! Do you know what the greatest enemy to my walk with Christ is? I see him in the mirror every morning."

Answer: (JesusistheChrist)I have no problem with what she stated and I know exactly what she is talking about. Often, there are "nice" (even if people disagree) conversations going on until some temperamental crybaby shows up and starts bemoaning how offended they are for some reason or another.

Anyhow, may I ask you what that is a picture of in your avatar? I've been curious since I first saw it. Thank you.


I think I got that right?