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you know, there are some really nasty posts in this thread and not participating other then for one post, I think I can say that

I have nothing to gain either way...that is in agreeing or disagreeing with anyone in this thread?

but there is some actual hatred being expressed here and once again, I do not see Kenneth doing that...and no, we are not buddy buddies here at all

but there is definately some kind of attack going on and having just experienced the same thing myself last week, I know what it feels like

there is a very nasty spirit at work in this thread and in various others throughout CC and it is not of God

the more you (anyone) allow this spirit to work through you, the more you are engaging the supernatural realm in a very negative way

take it or leave it...and I KNOW at least one person here would like me banned, that is what I see
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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you know, there are some really nasty posts in this thread and not participating other then for one post, I think I can say that

I have nothing to gain either way...that is in agreeing or disagreeing with anyone in this thread?

but there is some actual hatred being expressed here and once again, I do not see Kenneth doing that...and no, we are not buddy buddies here at all

but there is definately some kind of attack going on and having just experienced the same thing myself last week, I know what it feels like

there is a very nasty spirit at work in this thread and in various others throughout CC and it is not of God

the more you (anyone) allow this spirit to work through you, the more you are engaging the supernatural realm in a very negative way

take it or leave it...and I KNOW at least one person here would like me banned, that is what I see
This is exactly the sort of "talk" that we need to SQUASH on this forum, in general.

We're talking ABOUT members, instead of TO or WITH members -- this needs to change, and now!
 
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KennethC

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I disagree with this also...I have exchanged civil posts with Ken and even though we do not always agree, the problem is how some respond

I honestly do NOT see him saying "I am right because the Holy Spirit told me so"

yeah, I just don't really see that and I am wondering why some do see that?

ps..not taking sides...just my honest observation

I think the reason they may think that way is because I constantly say things like, "the Holy Spirit has showed me."

This however is not against what the bible says to do, as it tells us in the scriptures that we are not to boast in ourselves, but it does say in 1 Corinthians 1:31 and 2 Corinthians 10:17 that when we boast to boast in the Lord.

Meaning we speak of what He has done in our lives and the truths in the word that He has revealed to us by the Holy Spirit.
We give Him credit for the knowledge we have received !!!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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ember said:
well, since you would actually like to squash me, perhaps your response to me is futile

I do have you on ignore, but I can still read a post if I want to

you have a knack for stirring up people and turning them on each other

it's NOT God

bye...you are back on ignore now
This is exactly the sort of "talk" that we need to SQUASH on this forum, in general.


We're talking ABOUT members, instead of TO or WITH members -- this needs to change, and now!

 
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1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, 2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

Hebrews 12


you know, sometimes I consider these verses and I realize that we do actually have those who have gone before watching the saga play out on earth

some of us profess to be Christians but we are not and sometimes a person with discernment is singled out by the 'fake' and attacked

let those who name the name of Christ depart from iniquity...

just time to take it easy folks...if I don't respond to a post addressed to me, it is because in the interest of keeping the peace of God in my heart...which we need to guard...I understand that God does not want me to defend what does not need defending

allow God to discern the heart...we can at least try to understand the words, eh?
 
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"PW when you finally see through God's eyes you will fall into line with Him and His Word and with all people who speak by the Spirit."

How am I supposed to receive this, Convallaria?
Just receive it as it was said. Can you argue with its truth? You said to Stephen:
"Stephen, I challenge you to look at people through God's "eyes", not through your human eyes"

But now that I am saying the same thing to you, you are arguing with me and asking how you should receive it?

Can you look through God's eyes PW?

Do you not know, that if you can do that, you will fall in line with Him and with all people who speak by the Spirit?

Do you not know that it is truth?

Or if it is a lie, why did you suggest the same thing to Stephen?


 
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I think the reason they may think that way is because I constantly say things like, "the Holy Spirit has showed me."

This however is not against what the bible says to do, as it tells us in the scriptures that we are not to boast in ourselves, but it does say in 1 Corinthians 1:31 and 2 Corinthians 10:17 that when we boast to boast in the Lord.

Meaning we speak of what He has done in our lives and the truths in the word that He has revealed to us by the Holy Spirit.
We give Him credit for the knowledge we have received !!!
I understand Ken and while I truly respect some here, I do not agree with the anger and just plain nastiness

I have very few on ignore, but disagreement is not a reason to ignore ... I put those on ignore who are really causing an 'infection' in a thread...

I can only state what I have in the past...some intervention by mods would be great and remind people of the TOS...but I guess it may be too time consuming? I don't know

However, if we profess to be a follower of Jesus Christ and exhibit a personality like an asp...maybe we need to reflect some?

disclaimer: I do not claim to have always responded with the love Christ asks that we do....but God is good and He has a way of reminding us of how we are supposed to be

hugs all around
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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"PW when you finally see through God's eyes you will fall into line with Him and His Word and with all people who speak by the Spirit."


Just receive it as it was said. Can you argue with its truth? You said to Stephen:
"Stephen, I challenge you to look at people through God's "eyes", not through your human eyes"

But now that I am saying the same thing to you, you are arguing with me and asking how you should receive it?

Can you look through God's eyes PW?

Do you not know, that if you can do that, you will fall in line with Him and with all people who speak by the Spirit?

Do you not know that it is truth?

Or if it is a lie, why did you suggest the same thing to Stephen?


No, Convallaria you did not say the same thing to me as I said to Stephen.
This shows me two things: 1. You did not understand what was meant by my comment to Stephen. 2. You think that I implied that Stephen never looks through God's eyes -- when I was only implying that he might not have been looking through God's eyes at the time when he said:

let's tell the readers of how she was once a member of a much rougher pack with a leader by the name of zone. Christian Chat Rooms & Forums - View Profile: zone. Check out any thread that speaks about the gifts of the Spirit, continuationism, anything pentecostal, etc.

Like I said in an earlier post, who you stand with says a lot about you. I welcome the readers to see for themselves the truth..... no twisting required.:)
For talking about a person's past, especially with such a negative undertone, is gossip.

So, yes, I can argue with your statement.

"PW when you finally see through God's eyes you will fall into line with Him and His Word and with all people who speak by the Spirit."

"Finally see" implies that I have not yet done so. In previous posts you have implied that (you think) I have not received the Holy Spirit (thus, I am unsaved), and in this post you again confirm that notion -- the very notion that started this whole ordeal.

I think you really need to stop publicly picking and choosing who is saved and who is unsaved -- who is filled with the Holy Spirit, and who is not.

My challenge was specific and it was directed at Stephen. This was a challenge about a specific post -- not an all-encompassing general statement concerning Stephen's faith, or lack thereof.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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I understand Ken and while I truly respect some here, I do not agree with the anger and just plain nastiness

I have very few on ignore, but disagreement is not a reason to ignore ... I put those on ignore who are really causing an 'infection' in a thread...

I can only state what I have in the past...some intervention by mods would be great and remind people of the TOS...but I guess it may be too time consuming? I don't know

However, if we profess to be a follower of Jesus Christ and exhibit a personality like an asp...maybe we need to reflect some?

disclaimer: I do not claim to have always responded with the love Christ asks that we do....but God is good and He has a way of reminding us of how we are supposed to be

hugs all around
This is exactly the sort of "talk" that we need to SQUASH on this forum, in general.


We're talking ABOUT members, instead of TO or WITH members -- this needs to change, and now!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Does this mean I follow that "other" person? Or would this mean that the Holy Spirit has directed me to a teacher appointed by God?
Truly I am interested to know if anyone has addressed these questions (beyond page 1).
 
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KennethC

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I understand Ken and while I truly respect some here, I do not agree with the anger and just plain nastiness

I have very few on ignore, but disagreement is not a reason to ignore ... I put those on ignore who are really causing an 'infection' in a thread...

I can only state what I have in the past...some intervention by mods would be great and remind people of the TOS...but I guess it may be too time consuming? I don't know

However, if we profess to be a follower of Jesus Christ and exhibit a personality like an asp...maybe we need to reflect some?

disclaimer: I do not claim to have always responded with the love Christ asks that we do....but God is good and He has a way of reminding us of how we are supposed to be

hugs all around

Yes and I have respect for all on here to but even so out of that love and respect we are told not to let others in the faith act in unedifying ways towards one another. We are called to point those ways out them by the word and then lift them back up in the word as well.

I have respect for people such as Angela and her knowledge she has been given, but the misunderstanding of what I said and then the constantly bearing false witness on me that followed surprised me.

I thought I would only have to explain myself once or twice to her and that would end those unedifying attacks on me.
Instead it lead to more attacks and even more blaming me rather then admitting she just misread what I said. This example shows how quickly the spirit of antichrist can still work through a believer if they open that door.
 
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KennethC

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Truly I am interested to know if anyone has addressed these questions (beyond page 1).

I addressed it as I said no matter what man we are lead to, go to, books we read of theirs, sermons we watch, and so on they still must be tested by the Holy Spirit and the word of God.

We can not just accept every word from another individual as truth without testing it !!!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Yes and I have respect for all on here to but even so out of that love and respect we are told not to let others in the faith act in unedifying ways towards one another. We are called to point those ways out them by the word and then lift them back up in the word as well.

I have respect for people such as Angela and her knowledge she has been given, but the misunderstanding of what I said and then the constantly bearing false witness on me that followed surprised me.

I thought I would only have to explain myself once or twice to her and that would end those unedifying attacks on me.
Instead it lead to more attacks and even more blaming me rather then admitting she just misread what I said. This example shows how quickly the spirit of antichrist can still work through a believer if they open that door.
Why Ken, Why? Why continue to talk ABOUT Angela, instead of talking WITH Angela (or waiting for Angela to reply)?

Also: Can you not see that the person you are publicly confiding in, is guilty of the same? (scroll up, for evidence)
 
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oldthennew

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does Christ's Love have many colors - voices - emotions.....????

do we, if we claim Christ have many choices???? aside from His.....?

does Christ ask us to embrace our fellows in Love?? ....no matter where they are in their journey???

are our hearts in unity and obedience in the pattern that He expects of us??

are we willing to put others before ourselves in humility???
or, do we need to blow our egos up like a balloon???

carnal speech patterns are a dead give-a-way.....they point to the fact that we are giving ourselves over
to speak as the 'enemy'.........

look inside of yourselves, for it is written,
'Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in Thy sight, OH Lord,
my Strength and my Redeemer................................
 
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KennethC

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Why Ken, Why? Why continue to talk ABOUT Angela, instead of talking WITH Angela (or waiting for Angela to reply)?

Also: Can you not see that the person you are publicly confiding in, is guilty of the same? (scroll up, for evidence)

I converse with anybody who will converse with me back, and yes we should not do the same attacks on others that they do on us. However there is a difference and that is I see that with the likes of ember and convallaria they admit to their downfalls and say how they do and have used those tactics on another.

We all struggle in our own ways and what matters and shows out to me is when admits to their faults instead of avoiding them, or trying to play them off and misapply scripture to make them acceptable to do.

I have tried to talk to Angela and the last thing she said to me was she was placing me on ignore, and since then she has not said another thing to me. I did try to explain myself to her and got nowhere !!!
 

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GOSH you are really horrible and quite without any perception.

I was saved 28 years ago and of course I didn't know the Bible at all then. Since then, as I said, I have made up for lost time, even being CRITICIZED for reading it too much...in all those 28 years, getting to know that what the Lord planted in me was in fact all written in His word.

You seem incapable of reading a post on here without misinterpreting it. Why would that be? You claim to have the Holy Spirit but I am wondering what kind of spirit it is that leads you into such arrogance, that you would attack people who clearly know by experience the testimony of Jesus, as opposed to all that head knowledge you like to boast in.

Perhaps you would like to tell us what happened when you "received the Holy Spirit" as you claim. I could talk all night about my experiences because they are a source of constant joy and full of revelation.

How about you?
What I like about your posts is the exuberant amount of love that radiates from each word you share.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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I converse with anybody who will converse with me back, and yes we should not do the same attacks on others that they do on us. However there is a difference and that is I see that with the likes of ember and convallaria they admit to their downfalls and say how they do and have used those tactics on another.

We all struggle in our own ways and what matters and shows out to me is when admits to their faults instead of avoiding them, or trying to play them off and misapply scripture to make them acceptable to do.

I have tried to talk to Angela and the last thing she said to me was she was placing me on ignore, and since then she has not said another thing to me. I did try to explain myself to her and got nowhere !!!
KennethC, I am not here to defend Angela. But I will remind you that you also previously said that you were done conversing with her. My assumption is that you and Angela are misunderstanding eachother -- and Angela (at some point) became so frustrated that she had to place you on ignore (for herself). Perhaps, after some time, she may eventually 'cool off' and decide to make amends.

My current frustration with Convallaria and Ember is that even when I honored their wishes of discontinuing all forms of communication with them -- they still continued! Neither of them have ever tried to make amends with me, yet they continue to refer to me in their posts (both directly and underhandedly).

I don't even what to talk about individuals in this manner -- this is my point in saying that it needs to stop, and now!
At this point, I don't really even care if it is ever resolved between myself and those two women! I just want it to stop!
Stopping is not remaining quiet for several hours and then bringing it up again a day or two later! Stopping is stopping! Have no more to do with it! Done means done! Let's be done with it already! If you have a sour taste in your mouth -- take it up with God! Take it up with others in private! Don't bring it up continually in each thread! Enough!
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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What I like about your posts is the exuberant amount of love that radiates from each word you share.
Utah! I appreciate your support. I am happy that you can see through this mess.

I do feel it is appropriate to challenge your sarcasm, here, though -- even though you are being sarcastic towards one who probably deserves it!

We ALL need to stop. Stop with the sarcasm. Stop with the personal retorts and destructive words!
Read your post, before you submit.
Send PMs to people, when private talk would be more appropriate!

Stop Stop Stop!
 
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I marvel sometimes at what I see written on this site. Aren't we supposed to be known by our love for God, our Savior, and love for each other?

I know we all get frustrated and that this can lead to anger, but may I encourage you to measure your words and write in a way that shows compassion one to another. I know that I too fail at this at times, but this really is my goal... shouldn't it be the goal of each of us?
 

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GOSH you are really horrible and quite without any perception.

I was saved 28 years ago and of course I didn't know the Bible at all then. Since then, as I said, I have made up for lost time, even being CRITICIZED for reading it too much...in all those 28 years, getting to know that what the Lord planted in me was in fact all written in His word.

You seem incapable of reading a post on here without misinterpreting it. Why would that be? You claim to have the Holy Spirit but I am wondering what kind of spirit it is that leads you into such arrogance, that you would attack people who clearly know by experience the testimony of Jesus, as opposed to all that head knowledge you like to boast in.

Perhaps you would like to tell us what happened when you "received the Holy Spirit" as you claim. I could talk all night about my experiences because they are a source of constant joy and full of revelation.

How about you?
Thank you so much for asking me to give my testimony of God's glorious salvation of my soul! I can only praise the Lord for this opportunity to share how I was saved, and the transforming work God has done in my life and heart.


So I was a professional musician, making people drunk for a living. Including myself. What I put myself through doesn't bear repeating, but God must have had his hand on me even in those days.

I knew I was empty, and I went from total atheism to realizing there must be some sort of "god" which was a revelation from God himself. So I started searching for spiritual truth. I studied with Hindus, meditated with Buddhists, got hooked into the New Age movement and people like Alice Bailey. I danced with Sufis, and jointed a Bah'ai study group. I was really going downhill fast - if you can go downhill after you hit bottom!

Meanwhile, there was a revival going on in the area where I lived. One man, who had been a drunkard, and sleeping with his wife's best friend got miraculously saved. His wife, who was raised Jewish, woke up in the middle of the night to the Hebrew prayer of the dead. God told her to look across the room and there was her husband on his knees, praying to Jesus to forgive him. God told his wife that the old man was dead, and the new man was born again through Jesus.

That man became an evangelist. There was a 50 minute ferry ride, I had to go on daily, and he would ride it all day, give out tracts and give his testimony. It freaked me out. Because I knew there had been an amazing change in him, from the jerk he had been. I knew he believed that Jesus was real, but I just couldn't believe it.

But it did make me decide to read the Bible, mostly out of respect for my Christian, praying grandmother, and because I had tried everything else. But the Bible was a total mystery to me. I had question marks and circles on every page. It just didn't make sense. Or maybe it was because I was coming home drunk from the bar and reading it? No, it just made no sense to me.

So more and more people were getting saved and witnessing to me. It was downright convicting, but if you don't believe, and you can't believe, it just remains a nice story seen from the outside.

Then my future husband and I decided to take a trip - he had to do some job interviews, and I wanted to take a look at the university I had applied to, to continue my education. We were up on the top of the mountain visiting my beautiful new university, where I did eventually graduate from and also got my teacher's certificate.

We wandered around and enjoyed the view, the buildings etc. Then we got back to his Blazer. The truck wouldn't start. We even tried to jump start it and it was just dead. Then I heard a small voice telling me we needed to hit the solenoid with a hammer. I told my future husband and he laughed - he knew a lot about mechanics! But he did it anyway and that old Blazer started, and worked the rest of the time we were away, and took us the 500 miles home. But it gets better. W(hen we got home the Blazer died again in front of my house. This time my future husband had all his tools. He took the battery out and charged it. It would not hold a charge. He took it to some mechanic friends of his, and they said they had never seen a deader battery. But God just kept that battery going, because he knew he was going to show up and save me on the way home! An amazing miracle!)

On the way home, my husband started talking to me about repentance. I had a Bible background from Baptist Sunday school as a child, so we started recalling all the Biblical characters who repented. Like David, Peter and Mary Magdalene. I told him about some demonic strongholds that others had put on me.

Suddenly, I heard a voice saying, "I am the Saviour of the world." I was stunned. I knew it was Jesus. Then, I realized that Jesus was MY Saviour! I told my future husband and we stopped the car, and had a praise and prayer meeting. God told me to give up drinking, and I have never had another drop or wanted one either, in 35 years. He told me to read the bible. I already knew I needed to go to church.

When I got home that night, I picked up the Bible I had been reading. I looked at the pages of that Bible, that I had not understood in months of reading. I looked at the circles and question marks and suddenly the bible made sense! It was all about Jesus! It was the revelation of Jesus! I had met the author of the book, and the Holy Spirit began began to open my eyes to the truths laid out in the bible.

People were stunned when they saw the change in me. I went to that man that first witnessed to me and we rejoiced together at the miracle God had done in not only saving a sinner like me, but in changing a broken and yet hardened heart.

As for me, I realized that God had been standing behind me the whole time. He was just waiting for me to turn around - repentance! Shub in the Hebrew, metanoia in the Greek. My husband filled in that part of the missing puzzle for me. And he has done that with many other people, in bringing them to Christ.

So I found the truth, or really, the Truth found me! As for the next 35 years, some ups and downs, highs and lows, but Jesus always walking with me, the Holy Spirit always leading and guiding me. Some major failures on my part to obey God especially concerning the call to Seminary. But God gave me a second chance, and the journey continues to be a joy, a delight, and sometimes a challenge.

And getting back to the OP, I did a book study in Seminary of Pilgrim's Progress, because I needed one more credit hour of on-campus courses to graduate. It wasn't a course I would have taken otherwise. I don't like archaic language. But it turned out the language was pretty understandable. And the book seemed to document my journey after I was saved. It is amazing how the Christian experience with God remains the same through the centuries, and how God touches the hearts and lives of his people as the obey and follow him with all their hearts, souls, minds and strength.