U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

Omni · Sep 8, 2015

Going to post this again....

From Allen Wests website I thought he made some good points.Since no one reads links I'll post excerpts here...

And so it begins. Sadly, it seems America has truly forgotten the intent of Thomas Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury (CT) Baptist Convention on the subject of separation of church and state. It was Jefferson’s intent to not have in America a head of state who was also head of church, ala King Henry VIII and the establishment of the Church of England.
Jefferson didn’t want the state to establish religion that would lead to state persecution of religious freedom — the reason why the Pilgrims came to America. That’s why the First Amendment to our US Constitution states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” In America, the citizen has the freedom of religion; the state can’t institute an atmosphere of freedom from religion.

And so I find it rather interesting that in Kentucky, Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis found herself spending last night in jail for her religious belief.

What I found most absurd were the comments of White House press secretary Josh Earnest when asked about Mrs. Davis’ situation. Earnest declared yesterday, “No public official is above the rule of law”; the hypocrisy of the White House spokesperson saying such is absurd, at a minimum.
Earnest speaks for a president who’s lied on countless occasions and violated the rule of law — the US Constitution — in as many situations. It was President Obama, along with candidate for president Hillary Clinton, who abandoned four Americans to die in Benghazi, Libya — and did I mention his “overseas contingency operation” was in violation of the War Powers Act — and then they both lied about the impetus behind the attack. And in the case of Hillary Clinton, well, ask any uniformed service member if they’re allowed to deal with classified materials on their own private server.

The hypocrisy doesn’t end there. Consider how it can be that five activist judges can create a new individual right based on personal behavior and subjugate an established individual right — a First Amendment right? How can it be that five activist judges can create a new right and impose their will upon the states — a complete violation of federalism — but not demand every state recognize the Second Amendment rights of individual Americans? My concealed carry license from Florida is not permitted in every state in the Union? If five activist judges belief every state must accept same-sex marriage (as a reminder I support civil unions), then every state must accept my established right to keep and bear arms — and not infringe upon it.

Kim Davis went to jail simply because she was exercising her First Amendment right — which no five activist judges can deny, disregard or denigrate. It’s her First Amendment right that cannot result in her being disparaged — and certainly not arrested. And if the President of the United States can himself float above the rule of law, then how can one arrest Kim Davis for embracing the rule of law — her First Amendment right?Can it be that the “guarantee of happiness” granted to a special interest group, by way of judicial privilege, supersedes the US Constitution?

And so when will we start seeing pastors carted off to jail? Matter of fact, the mayor of Houston already tried by demanding sermons be surrendered. And we have bakers, florists, pizzeria owners and photographers being fined by the state. Not to mention death threats issued against them by the oh so “tolerant.”

But ponder this: a public figure, Lois Lerner, is free and receiving a taxpayer-funded six-figure retirement check while Kim Davis sat in jail. Bowe Bergdahl, a deserter — for whom six American soldiers lost their lives during search and rescue operations on his behalf — roams free while Kim Davis sat in jail. Eric Holder — who was held in contempt of Congress and responsible for Operation Fast and Furious, resulting in the death of US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry —walks about free and probably on a speaker’s circuit while Kim Davis sat in jail. Al Sharpton — who owes the IRS millions in back taxes and has visited the White House some 80 times — did his show on MSNBC while Kim Davis sat in jail. Louis Farrakhan incites violence and talks of killing white people while Kim Davis sat in jail.

So spare me the drivel about how Kim Davis has to realize she cannot act above the rule of law; the progressive socialist left has embraced the sheer essence of lawlessness.Thanks to President Obama, there is not a single Christian in Mosul, Iraq for the first time in 2,000 years. Christians are being crucified, tortured and raped by the folks he called the JV team. But who would have EVER thought a Christian would be carted off to jail in America because they simply believed marriage is between one man and one woman? Thomas Jefferson must be disturbed to know that the State in America is persecuting Christians for their religious beliefs.

However, let me highlight a very important point. In the 2012 election cycle, some 7-8 million Christians did not vote, and that’s out of the number registered to vote. The lack of participation in the electoral process meant the secular humanist left has a willing ally in the White House. A deceiver and liar, who during the 2008 election declared he supported marriage as between one man and one woman. All of a sudden, Barack Obama “evolved,” just as Bill Clinton did — it was under Clinton that the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) passed — with bipartisan support.

What changed? It’s all about special interest politics, not principle.

Kim Davis knows she will one day answer not to Justice Kennedy of the Supreme Court of the United States — she will answer to the Supreme Judge of the Universe. And just as Saul, the persecutor of Christians, was converted on the road to Damascus and became the Apostle Paul, so did Mrs. Davis have a life-changing event. I say to Mrs. Davis, read my favorite book in the Bible, Philippians, and know Paul wrote that text while imprisoned awaiting his execution. And there he wrote these words, Philippians 4:19 (New International Version): “And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.” ....if God is for you, who can stand against you? Certainly not those who seek your demise. My prayers and those of millions are with you.

Folks, you're missing the point about the Kentucky clerk's jail sentence - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

Well its pretty hard to disagree with his thoughts.I think he sums up the situation quite well.I dont see many arguments that would win against it.

People in positions of legal authority are culpable under the law they swear to uphold. If a person puts their personal beliefs above their legal obligations and does something criminal, they're not only failing to fulfill their duties and their oaths, but they're committing a crime in the process. That's how law works.

This judge obviously had a conflict of interest. Her oath to God came before her oath to the law of the land. Knowing this, she should have recognized it the moment gay marriage was legalized, and resigned from her post. She was aware she had a fundamental inability to fulfill her duties, and was also aware of the potential ramifications of that.

That being said, I don't personally think she should go to prison -- it seems a little harsh -- but she should certainly be dismissed from her post.

NBCOGOPCB · Sep 8, 2015

I stand with you against this atrocity against a civil servant and a Christian. God will pronounce judgement on the judge who sentenced her as well as the 5 justices who violated their oath of office to uphold the rights of individuals, knowing full well that their actions were going against Christians, and what this country was founded on. Now we have judges who are placing themselves above God, and throwing Christians standing on their belief and foundation in God and Jesus Christ. This action by the 5 Supreme Court Justices has already reached the attention of the world, and Christians in other countries are praying for our country, and we Christians who are now facing what the Bible stated was going to occur. Wem may not be able to do anything about the 5 justices who have violated the trust of the majority of Americans, other than to pray to God hard that He will carry out His judgement on them, as well as the judge who jailed Kim. Personally, I would not like to be in their shoes right now. God will make His move in His time, all we as Christians can do is vote for our country's leadership and judges with the Holy Spirit as our guide, and PRAY HARD.

crossnote · Sep 8, 2015

NBCOGOPCB said:

I stand with you against this atrocity against a civil servant and a Christian. God will pronounce judgement on the judge who sentenced her as well as the 5 justices who violated their oath of office to uphold the rights of individuals, knowing full well that their actions were going against Christians, and what this country was founded on. Now we have judges who are placing themselves above God, and throwing Christians standing on their belief and foundation in God and Jesus Christ. This action by the 5 Supreme Court Justices has already reached the attention of the world, and Christians in other countries are praying for our country, and we Christians who are now facing what the Bible stated was going to occur. Wem may not be able to do anything about the 5 justices who have violated the trust of the majority of Americans, other than to pray to God hard that He will carry out His judgement on them, as well as the judge who jailed Kim. Personally, I would not like to be in their shoes right now. God will make His move in His time, all we as Christians can do is vote for our country's leadership and judges with the Holy Spirit as our guide, and PRAY HARD.

Point well taken. Because of the illegal decision of SCOTUS in the first place, we end up fighting each other over subsequent actions which really have their root in the first illegal decision by the 5.

crossnote · Sep 8, 2015

I hate to say it (but I will), these few who are opposing Kim Davis' decision are the same types who would narc you to the authorities in a heartbeat if the Christian faith became illegal (after all it's 'illegal', you must obey the law).

Omni · Sep 8, 2015

crossnote said:

If being Christian ever became illegal I would fight for your right to practice it just the same as I'd fight for the right of someone to practice being homosexual. I believe that people should be able to make their own choices, about their own lives. Equal individual rights are the only way to have a fair society. No government has the right to stop you being Christian just because some of the people in the country don't like it. The same way, no government has the right to stop a gay person getting married, just because you don't like it.

Being Christian is your right. You have the right to go to your church, to worship God, to follow God's laws. I believe that you should always, and forever have that right. I also believe that being gay is someone's right. They have the right to go to a gay bar, they have the right to meet another gay person, they have the right to form a consensual relationship with that person. It doesn't directly affect you, and it doesn't stop you from being able to be Christian, day in, day out.

What I don't agree with is this idea you seem to have, that your rights matter more than their rights. They don't. Just the same way a gay person should never be able to force you, by law, to be gay, nor should you be able to force, by law, a person to be straight or single.

You follow God's laws as a personal choice, and gay people are gay, because of a personal choice. Each of those things are now legal. It's simple, individual liberty.

I don't think that a gay person should be able to refuse to marry a Christian couple, nor that a Christian person should be able to refuse to marry a gay couple. Why? Because you being married to another Christian woman, a consensual partnership, is your choice. It doesn't hurt anybody, except for maybe you, or her. The same way, a gay person being married to a gay person, doesn't hurt anybody, except maybe them.

If you refuse to do a marriage based on your own prejudices, then everybody could do the same. Then what would we have? We'd have a society where people can pick and choose, discriminate at will. Why not judges who refuse gay couples disability welfare allowances? Why not judges who say it's okay for gay people to be shot? If a judge can refuse to follow the laws on marriage, just because someone's gay, why not the laws on murder, too?

You're protected by the law, to the same degree as me. To the same degree as gay people. They can't deny your your legal rights, nor can you deny them theirs. That's fair.

If that ever changed, and being Christian became illegal, that would be unfair. I'd staunchly disagree with that.

NBCOGOPCB · Sep 8, 2015

Kim is not he culprit here. The five Supreme Court Justices, and the judge who sentenced her "without" bail are the culprits, and I actually consider them enemies of the state. They took and oath with their hand on the Bible, to uphold the laws of the state and country. UPHOLD the laws NOT MAKE THEM. By doing that, they lied when they were sworn in. The 1 judge who sentenced Kim can be removed by the people, the 5 Supreme Court Justices who disregarded their sworn oath, also on the Bible cannot. The American people can take care of most of the issues by being vigilant at the ballot boxes, looking into the voting records of our elected officials, and making their decision based on what they find in those voting records. As far as the Supreme Court Justices, we can only PRAY the God takes care of them.

Dude653 · Sep 8, 2015

She is being held without bail because there is no bail on a contempt charge. When you are in jail for contempt you will stay there until you do what the judge has ordered.

Galahad · Sep 8, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Oh, okay. When did you discover they went against your beliefs? Before or after you took the job?

Simply quit. "Good Monday morning boss. How are you? So you want to sign licenses to homosexuals? Well, I need to quit. Goodbye."

Yeah, simply, simply, simply, simply.

Simply isn't so simple when you aren't the one on the edge.

crossnote · Sep 8, 2015

Omni said:

If being Christian ever became illegal I would fight for your right to practice it just the same as I'd fight for the right of someone to practice being homosexual. I believe that people should be able to make their own choices, about their own lives. Equal individual rights are the only way to have a fair society. No government has the right to stop you being Christian just because some of the people in the country don't like it. The same way, no government has the right to stop a gay person getting married, just because you don't like it.

Being Christian is your right. You have the right to go to your church, to worship God, to follow God's laws. I believe that you should always, and forever have that right. I also believe that being gay is someone's right. They have the right to go to a gay bar, they have the right to meet another gay person, they have the right to form a consensual relationship with that person. It doesn't directly affect you, and it doesn't stop you from being able to be Christian, day in, day out.

What I don't agree with is this idea you seem to have, that your rights matter more than their rights. They don't. Just the same way a gay person should never be able to force you, by law, to be gay, nor should you be able to force, by law, a person to be straight or single.

You follow God's laws as a personal choice, and gay people are gay, because of a personal choice. Each of those things are now legal. It's simple, individual liberty.

I don't think that a gay person should be able to refuse to marry a Christian couple, nor that a Christian person should be able to refuse to marry a gay couple. Why? Because you being married to another Christian woman, a consensual partnership, is your choice. It doesn't hurt anybody, except for maybe you, or her. The same way, a gay person being married to a gay person, doesn't hurt anybody, except maybe them.

If you refuse to do a marriage based on your own prejudices, then everybody could do the same. Then what would we have? We'd have a society where people can pick and choose, discriminate at will. Why not judges who refuse gay couples disability welfare allowances? Why not judges who say it's okay for gay people to be shot? If a judge can refuse to follow the laws on marriage, just because someone's gay, why not the laws on murder, too?

You're protected by the law, to the same degree as me. To the same degree as gay people. They can't deny your your legal rights, nor can you deny them theirs. That's fair.

If that ever changed, and being Christian became illegal, that would be unfair. I'd staunchly disagree with that.

I didn't have you in mind, I had other "christians" in mind.
Anyhow, there comes a conflict in the arena of moral conscience when the Christian is told to do a service which runs contrary to their conscience.
In a secular society which runs on a-moral principles those with no conscience have it easy, those with a conscience don't.

Galahad · Sep 8, 2015

Omni said:

If being Christian ever became illegal I would fight for your right to practice it just the same as I'd fight for the right of someone to practice being homosexual. I believe that people should be able to make their own choices, about their own lives. Equal individual rights are the only way to have a fair society. No government has the right to stop you being Christian just because some of the people in the country don't like it. The same way, no government has the right to stop a gay person getting married, just because you don't like it.

Being Christian is your right. You have the right to go to your church, to worship God, to follow God's laws. I believe that you should always, and forever have that right. I also believe that being gay is someone's right. They have the right to go to a gay bar, they have the right to meet another gay person, they have the right to form a consensual relationship with that person. It doesn't directly affect you, and it doesn't stop you from being able to be Christian, day in, day out.

What I don't agree with is this idea you seem to have, that your rights matter more than their rights. They don't. Just the same way a gay person should never be able to force you, by law, to be gay, nor should you be able to force, by law, a person to be straight or single.

You follow God's laws as a personal choice, and gay people are gay, because of a personal choice. Each of those things are now legal. It's simple, individual liberty.

I don't think that a gay person should be able to refuse to marry a Christian couple, nor that a Christian person should be able to refuse to marry a gay couple. Why? Because you being married to another Christian woman, a consensual partnership, is your choice. It doesn't hurt anybody, except for maybe you, or her. The same way, a gay person being married to a gay person, doesn't hurt anybody, except maybe them.

If you refuse to do a marriage based on your own prejudices, then everybody could do the same. Then what would we have? We'd have a society where people can pick and choose, discriminate at will. Why not judges who refuse gay couples disability welfare allowances? Why not judges who say it's okay for gay people to be shot? If a judge can refuse to follow the laws on marriage, just because someone's gay, why not the laws on murder, too?

You're protected by the law, to the same degree as me. To the same degree as gay people. They can't deny your your legal rights, nor can you deny them theirs. That's fair.

If that ever changed, and being Christian became illegal, that would be unfair. I'd staunchly disagree with that.

Most of this is ludicrous.
Dare to ask why?

Galahad · Sep 8, 2015

Dude653 said:

"By refusing...all other arguments are irrelevant." That's irrelevant.

Galahad · Sep 8, 2015

Galahad said:

Former SS soldier, Oskar Gröning:
“That was the only time I saw a complete gassing,” he said, emphasizing, “I did not take part.”
This is just a sampler. Still waiting.

kaylagrl · Sep 8, 2015

Breaking news...Kim Davis has been released from jail by the judge.It happened at 10am this morning and she is about to leave the jail soon. Im sure it has nothing to do with Huckabee and Cruz being in town and protesters from all over the state and country.

kaylagrl · Sep 8, 2015

Interesting view from Madonnas brother,who happens to be gay....

Here's Why Madonna's Gay Brother Is Defending Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis

Excerpts...."The county clerk in [Kentucky] deserves about as much support as you would give her if she were a Muslim [woman] who insisted on covering her face and refused not only gay marriages licenses, but divorce, accusations of rape and driving a car without your man's approval," he wrote. Noting that "selective shaming and bullying corrupts a democracy," Ciccone, 54, acknowledged that Davis is required to follow federal law, but nonetheless added, "But why should she when DOJ and other civil authorities don't follow federal law when they choose not to, i.e. Washington State and Colorado (POT) come to mind."

"Once again, the gay community feels the need to be sore winners," he wrote. "Is it so difficult to allow this women her religion? Or must we destroy her in order for her to betray her faith."
He then concluded, "The rights we have all fought for, mean nothing, if we deny her hers."

Pretty bad when non Christians are more supportive of freedom of religion then Christians are. KYs Rand Paul said this morning that Ky law has an exception for religious beliefs and the judge should not have put her in jail.The judge may find himself in hot water before its all done.

Dude653 · Sep 8, 2015

kaylagrl said:

She has been released under the condition that she complies with the judge's orders and does not interfere with marriage licenses. Is she still refuses to comply she goes right back to jail

kaylagrl · Sep 8, 2015

Dude653 said:

She was released because of the attention the story is getting. Protesters have descended on the town,news vans everywhere and Huckabee and Cruz are there. Judge didnt want to look bad.

GodIsSalvation · Sep 8, 2015

Dude653 said:

She should not comply or elsewise she makes her position as clerk illegitimate. Her imprisonment is all ready illegitimate and the court should have to recompense her for unjustly imprisoning her. People in positions of legal authority are culpable under the law they swear to uphold. Since trying to make sexual abuse seem as marriage violates all Theory of Law, any court that tries to uphold or make lawful that which is unlawful has made itself illegitimate. This is why the US Supreme Court currently has no more authority because they do not follow the law and have violated the Theory of Law, which is the basis for their legitimacy as a court. The basis for all Theory of Law is religion.

Viligant_Warrior · Sep 8, 2015

kaylagrl said:

Well, yeah, but she did agree to not interfere with her deputies when they issue marriage licenses, too. That's a pretty big aspect of the whole case.

Dude653 · Sep 8, 2015

kaylagrl said:

So the judge didn't want to look bad for doing his job and locking up a public official who refused to do hers?

kaylagrl · Sep 8, 2015

Dude653 said:

That is your viewpoint.

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