Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)
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God cannot be fooled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He knows what is in your Heart and cannot be deceived like you teach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you even understand who God is? Do you understand the powers God has?
God knows who has accepted and rejected Him BEFORE the foundations were created!
Ephesians 1:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Its you who do not know God nor understands what He says in the Scriptures!
Eternally-gratefull you NEED study the Scriptures asking God to revel to you the Truth in the Scriptures.
Only a FOOL would believe God can be fooled by us!
He knows what is in your Heart and cannot be deceived like you teach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you even understand who God is? Do you understand the powers God has?
God knows who has accepted and rejected Him BEFORE the foundations were created!
Ephesians 1:3-5
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
Its you who do not know God nor understands what He says in the Scriptures!
Eternally-gratefull you NEED study the Scriptures asking God to revel to you the Truth in the Scriptures.
Only a FOOL would believe God can be fooled by us!
L
Just read this today Ben, and thought to post it to your thread here. So glad there are preachers and teachers teaching about grace.
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…if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins… [/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Today, Jews still observe Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. As the name suggests, it is a day set aside to make atonement for one’s sins. But for Christians, this beautiful feast points to Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. Because of His sacrifice, all our sins have already been perfectly atoned for. That is why, should we sin, we know that “we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins.
Now, it does not say that if anyone repents, we have an Advocate with the Father. It says that if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father. The moment a child of God sins, straightaway, his Advocate, Jesus Christ, goes into action to pray for and protect him.
What about repentance then?
The word “repentance” is metanoia in the Greek, which means to change one’s mind. For example, you used to believe that Jesus was just a good man. Then one day, you repented and believed that He is the Son of the living God, who died for your sins and rose again on the third day, and you gladly took Him as your Savior.
Bible repentance is not this idea of hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your sins. Don’t turn it into a human work, like the man who went to a priest to confess his sins. When they were done, the priest asked the man, “By the way, what do you do for a living?” The man replied, “I’m a contortionist,” and proceeded to give a demonstration. Another man came along wanting to confess his sins. When he saw the contortionist all twisted up on the ground, he said, “If this is repentance, forget it!” and ran off!
My friend, there is no need to climb the Himalayas or whip your back bloody to atone for your sins. No amount of self-punishment or crying can atone for them. Your sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. So change your mind and simply believe that Jesus alone is the propitiation for your sins!
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You spoke the truth. Walking in the light is acknowledging our sins. The lord doesn't care because he already knows what they are; acknowledgement of sin is for our sakes. Why? To bring us out of the darkness so that the blood of the lamb can cleanse our conscience in the light.
If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and are not speaking the truth. The spirit is truth, so if we are not speaking the truth, we are not in the spirit, i.e., in the light. By acknowledging our sin we speak truth and thereby walk in the light, and the blood of the lamb cleanses our defiled conscience. Beautiful...
If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and are not speaking the truth. The spirit is truth, so if we are not speaking the truth, we are not in the spirit, i.e., in the light. By acknowledging our sin we speak truth and thereby walk in the light, and the blood of the lamb cleanses our defiled conscience. Beautiful...
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Just read this today Ben, and thought to post it to your thread here. So glad there are preachers and teachers teaching about grace.
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…if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins…[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Today, Jews still observe Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. As the name suggests, it is a day set aside to make atonement for one’s sins. But for Christians, this beautiful feast points to Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. Because of His sacrifice, all our sins have already been perfectly atoned for. That is why, should we sin, we know that “we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins.
Now, it does not say that if anyone repents, we have an Advocate with the Father. It says that if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father. The moment a child of God sins, straightaway, his Advocate, Jesus Christ, goes into action to pray for and protect him.
What about repentance then?
The word “repentance” is metanoia in the Greek, which means to change one’s mind. For example, you used to believe that Jesus was just a good man. Then one day, you repented and believed that He is the Son of the living God, who died for your sins and rose again on the third day, and you gladly took Him as your Savior.
Bible repentance is not this idea of hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your sins. Don’t turn it into a human work, like the man who went to a priest to confess his sins. When they were done, the priest asked the man, “By the way, what do you do for a living?” The man replied, “I’m a contortionist,” and proceeded to give a demonstration. Another man came along wanting to confess his sins. When he saw the contortionist all twisted up on the ground, he said, “If this is repentance, forget it!” and ran off!
My friend, there is no need to climb the Himalayas or whip your back bloody to atone for your sins. No amount of self-punishment or crying can atone for them. Your sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. So change your mind and simply believe that Jesus alone is the propitiation for your sins![/TD]
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…if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins…[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Today, Jews still observe Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. As the name suggests, it is a day set aside to make atonement for one’s sins. But for Christians, this beautiful feast points to Jesus and what He did for us on the cross. Because of His sacrifice, all our sins have already been perfectly atoned for. That is why, should we sin, we know that “we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins.
Now, it does not say that if anyone repents, we have an Advocate with the Father. It says that if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father. The moment a child of God sins, straightaway, his Advocate, Jesus Christ, goes into action to pray for and protect him.
What about repentance then?
The word “repentance” is metanoia in the Greek, which means to change one’s mind. For example, you used to believe that Jesus was just a good man. Then one day, you repented and believed that He is the Son of the living God, who died for your sins and rose again on the third day, and you gladly took Him as your Savior.
Bible repentance is not this idea of hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your sins. Don’t turn it into a human work, like the man who went to a priest to confess his sins. When they were done, the priest asked the man, “By the way, what do you do for a living?” The man replied, “I’m a contortionist,” and proceeded to give a demonstration. Another man came along wanting to confess his sins. When he saw the contortionist all twisted up on the ground, he said, “If this is repentance, forget it!” and ran off!
My friend, there is no need to climb the Himalayas or whip your back bloody to atone for your sins. No amount of self-punishment or crying can atone for them. Your sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. So change your mind and simply believe that Jesus alone is the propitiation for your sins![/TD]
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When pondering that reply and rereading it once it was posted I had an "Aha! moment." People confess their sins for forgiveness, but sin confession has no power to give them victory over their sin. Repentance too, is but a boast in the flesh promising to turn from a particular sin they are struggling with. Its an empty promise as I stated in the post I quoted. True repentance, lasting repentance comes from renewing our minds to who we are in Jesus Christ; to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. Not only that, but believing what God says about us, so that we walk it out. He said we are dead to sin. Do you believe it?
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In another thread repentance came to mind and this is the post/reply... they were asking if we can change (overcome sin)
When pondering that reply and rereading it once it was posted I had an "Aha! moment." People confess their sins for forgiveness, but sin confession has no power to give them victory over their sin. Repentance too, is but a boast in the flesh promising to turn from a particular sin they are struggling with. Its an empty promise as I stated in the post I quoted. True repentance, lasting repentance comes from renewing our minds to who we are in Jesus Christ; to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. Not only that, but believing what God says about us, so that we walk it out. He said we are dead to sin. Do you believe it?
When pondering that reply and rereading it once it was posted I had an "Aha! moment." People confess their sins for forgiveness, but sin confession has no power to give them victory over their sin. Repentance too, is but a boast in the flesh promising to turn from a particular sin they are struggling with. Its an empty promise as I stated in the post I quoted. True repentance, lasting repentance comes from renewing our minds to who we are in Jesus Christ; to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. Not only that, but believing what God says about us, so that we walk it out. He said we are dead to sin. Do you believe it?
Amen I do!!!!! It's amazing how we can read verses for years. (in my case over 30) and be "ok" and survive.,but we can and should be learning even more and be more than OK, we can be VICTORIOUS when we believe and learn how much He loves us. So much so that our training is a lifetime trip and something that God says is more precious than we even understood.,like fine gold. To be transformed by the renewing of our minds by the power of the HolySpirit as He teaches us to understand these great things in the Bible about what our redemption is and what we really got when we were born again.
Years ago I never saw 1John 1:9 in this way, (and it showed) I constantly hated myself for being a saved sinner who should have been better. But as grace became real in daily life seeping into all areas,, His atonement for sin is constantly being effectual because He lives to make intercession for us. He lives after the power of an endless life. That is just beautiful.
Yes, the power to change is not in the confession and the determination of us changing our behavior. It is found in growing in the the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. Believing what HE says about us and to walk it out. We are so busy walking out what we say about ourselves and others., is it any wonder we fail?? This wonderful truth is for all believers to grab on to and not let satan steal away. It goes against human reason for us to "WORK" to "REST" We are always working to work and resting in between. We got it backwards.
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I really appreciate these latest posts by you ladylynn and ben. I have to ask 2 questions tho. ?.. in post #1046, lynn, you wrote, "He lives after the power of an endless life". What do you mean by that? Also...your sig confuses me a bit, is there a typo, or am I just dense? Nevermind, dont answer that!!! Lol
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Thanks sydlit., appreciate your kind words. The power of an endless life is speaking of Jesus our Great High Priest. In Hebrews 7:16 it says
"Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of and endless life."
This is giving us the comparison of the earthly high priests in Israel and how they are only human and frail, sinful and die eventually compared to Jesus our Great High Priest. The Amplified puts the vs this way about Jesus;
"Who has been constituted a Priest, not on the basis of a bodily legal requirement (an externally imposed command concerning His physical ancestry), but on the basis of the power of an endless and indestructible life."
He will never die, He is forever making intercession for us unlike those human priests who died and another human took his place. Those human priests were only a shadow and a picture of our Great High Priest Jesus who was to come under the new covenant of grace not under the law. Jesus is superior to everything in heaven and on earth., Reading Hebrews is about how in Jesus, we have the best possible covenant. When we have Him, we have everything we need.
The book of Hebrews is about "better things" Written to believers under pressure to turn back to their former Jewish faith or to mix Judaism with Christianity. Hebrews emphasizes a new and better covenant that we have in God through Christ.,Jesus Himself as the Mediator of the New Covenant.
He is our once for all sacrifice for sin. No more bulls and goats, no more human priests as mediators. We have Jesus Himself.
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oh, and my signature is about the New Covenant of grace and how we have total peace with God and ourselves because of God's love for us. While we were yet sinners, weak and unable to help ourselves, He sent Jesus to die for the ungodly. There is no more condemnation because grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. We can't be at peace with God, ourselves or other people unless we have Jesus.
Acknowledgement of sin is THE doorway into GOD's presence. It is the only doorway. Anyone who tries to enter any other way is a thief and a robber.
In the old covenant, there was only one way into the temple: the doorway where sins were confessed and transferred by laying on of hands to a vicarious sacrifice, whose blood covered those sins. (note: the following verse pertains to peace offerings, but sin offerings were done the same way. I chose this one because it mentions where the sacrifices were slain).
This is an old covenant shadow of the reality of restoring fellowship with GOD that John described:
The word confess above is the Greek word ὁμολογέω (homologeo), which means to assent (i.e. agree), or acknowledge. The word is formed by the two words homo, which means same, and logo, which means word. Same word.
So what John was saying is that we have to be in agreement with GOD (speak the same words) in order to walk with him.
Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3
We cannot walk with GOD if we say we have no sin because the truth is not in us, and GOD is the truth. Acknowledgement of sin is speaking the truth and restores us to fellowship with GOD where the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Truly, truly I say to you, the one who does not enter through the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up at some other place—that one is a thief and a robber. John 10:1
In the old covenant, there was only one way into the temple: the doorway where sins were confessed and transferred by laying on of hands to a vicarious sacrifice, whose blood covered those sins. (note: the following verse pertains to peace offerings, but sin offerings were done the same way. I chose this one because it mentions where the sacrifices were slain).
He shall lay his hand on the head of his offering and slay it at the doorway of the tent of meeting, and Aaron's sons the priests shall sprinkle the blood around on the altar. Leviticus 3:2
This is an old covenant shadow of the reality of restoring fellowship with GOD that John described:
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:5-10
The word confess above is the Greek word ὁμολογέω (homologeo), which means to assent (i.e. agree), or acknowledge. The word is formed by the two words homo, which means same, and logo, which means word. Same word.
So what John was saying is that we have to be in agreement with GOD (speak the same words) in order to walk with him.
Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3
We cannot walk with GOD if we say we have no sin because the truth is not in us, and GOD is the truth. Acknowledgement of sin is speaking the truth and restores us to fellowship with GOD where the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Acknowledgement of sin is the sacrifice of our will. Basically, all sin is caused by self-will.
The spirit witnesses that we have sin, or have sinned if the case may be. When we deny that we have sin we are calling the holy spirit a liar and walk in darkness.
When we acknowledge the truth that we are sinful, we speak the truth so that we can walk in agreement with the spirit of truth and have fellowship with GOD in the light where the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Sins are committed in darkness, but cleansed in the light. Israelites who sinned brought their confession and sacrifice to the light (i.e., the temple) in order to have their sins cleansed.
Saying that sins are committed in the light because that is where sins are cleansed contradicts scripture and is simplistic nonsense.
The spirit witnesses that we have sin, or have sinned if the case may be. When we deny that we have sin we are calling the holy spirit a liar and walk in darkness.
When we acknowledge the truth that we are sinful, we speak the truth so that we can walk in agreement with the spirit of truth and have fellowship with GOD in the light where the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
Sins are committed in darkness, but cleansed in the light. Israelites who sinned brought their confession and sacrifice to the light (i.e., the temple) in order to have their sins cleansed.
Saying that sins are committed in the light because that is where sins are cleansed contradicts scripture and is simplistic nonsense.
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Our high priest sits at the right hand of God.
The temple sacrifices ceased because
1. They could not remove the sin of the priest let alone the sin of the people.
2. Jesus only had to die once for all the sins of mankind
The bible says he is continuously making intercession for his people. Not only when they are good. When they confess or do this or that, But continually.
The blood split on the mercy seat is a symbol. God no longer sees what is held against his people (the sin) all he sees is his sons blood. His sons blood does not get washed off the mercy seat, it is there forever.
The temple sacrifices ceased because
1. They could not remove the sin of the priest let alone the sin of the people.
2. Jesus only had to die once for all the sins of mankind
The bible says he is continuously making intercession for his people. Not only when they are good. When they confess or do this or that, But continually.
The blood split on the mercy seat is a symbol. God no longer sees what is held against his people (the sin) all he sees is his sons blood. His sons blood does not get washed off the mercy seat, it is there forever.
Sin exists in the light only on a dead carcass. Israelites who sinned in darkness brought their sacrifice to the light (i.e., the temple) so that the blood of the sacrifice could be sprinkled on the altar and thereby cleanse their sin. In essence, we are no different. We come to the light to sacrifice our will and acknowledge our sin in the spirit of truth so that the blood of Christ through faith can cleanse our conscience from all sin.
You're trying to use logic to understand a truth that is spiritually discerned and that requires a greater context than just the NT.
You're trying to use logic to understand a truth that is spiritually discerned and that requires a greater context than just the NT.
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Yeah I think thats a good idea.
If I was a jew, I could sin all I want, just remember to go up to the priest and kill some poor sheep or lamb, and I am ok, Then if that fails, I still have the day of atonement, I mean why stop living the good live (in fact, this is exactly how they lived)
Religion will never work, and make anyone righteous.
Until we truly and fully repent of our heart which is against God in all ways, we will never find healing.
Going to the altar when we sin, is not going to find healing, only a false hope .
If I was a jew, I could sin all I want, just remember to go up to the priest and kill some poor sheep or lamb, and I am ok, Then if that fails, I still have the day of atonement, I mean why stop living the good live (in fact, this is exactly how they lived)
Religion will never work, and make anyone righteous.
Until we truly and fully repent of our heart which is against God in all ways, we will never find healing.
Going to the altar when we sin, is not going to find healing, only a false hope .