Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[seed_time_harvest]

IMO seeking forgiveness that already exists is essentially unbelief.

JESUS died once and those that received salvation by Grace through Faith were forgiven.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Actually we are not drawn away from the Light just by our Lusts. We are also drawn away when we take our eyes off of God.

The word lust actually means longing. All sin is caused either by the longings of our eyes, the longings of our flesh, or the vainglory of life (essentially, longing for the praise and honor of men).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Again you avoid the evident truth that sin is in the light and cleansed there... so your doctrine must be wrong...repent

Only in the form of a dead body.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The word lust actually means longing. All sin is caused either by the longings of our eyes, the longings of our flesh, or the vainglory of life (essentially, longing for the praise and honor of men).

ie, when we take our eyes of God. we plant them perfectly on self.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It's good that we are part of a new covenant then. I said people use one verse to make a doctrine of sin confession, they never use any other except the one that says to confess our sins to one another (which is to man, and not God, for the healing of our relationships). Thanks for showing that sin confession is OT though, I think that aids the point even clearer.

So are you of the mind that old covenant shadows (not that confession is a shadow) don't foreshadow greater realities in the new covenant?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No Kenneth you do the same thing whenever anyone proves you wrong...you try to change the subject and avoid where you are clearly wrong.

Kenneth is not wrong. He is speaking the truth very, very clearly.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Kenneth is not wrong. He is speaking the truth very, very clearly.

that is up to ones interpretation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ok then do you have sin in the flesh? if so...how can you walk in the light if sin cannot be in the light....how can sin be cleansed in the light, if sin cannot be in the light? Just answer these very simple questions

Because we have been crucified with Christ. In GOD's eyes our bodies are dead and on the altar to be consumed by his holiness. Thus is the grace of GOD that we are not consumed.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Acknowledgement of sin is the sacrifice of our will. Basically, all sin is caused by self-will.

The spirit witnesses that we have sin, or have sinned if the case may be. When we deny that we have sin we are calling the holy spirit a liar and walk in darkness.

When we acknowledge the truth that we are sinful, we speak the truth so that we can walk in agreement with the spirit of truth and have fellowship with GOD in the light where the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.

Sins are committed in darkness, but cleansed in the light. Israelites who sinned brought their confession and sacrifice to the light (i.e., the temple) in order to have their sins cleansed.

Saying that sins are committed in the light because that is where sins are cleansed contradicts scripture and is simplistic nonsense.

So you believe that Christians are constantly in and out of the light?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Okay Kenneth, we ought to not jump to conclusions. Notice that I am not jumping to conclusions but I said we. We is said in a sentence so as to lighten the blow, its as if we are being careful with our speech as to not offend. When you speak to non-believers telling them that if we confess that we are sinners, that we need Jesus, and that we believe in His death and resurrection, are you or are you not including yourself as having the need to do this currently but rather that was the means to receiving salvation?

Who gave you the warrant to say such a thing? You, or someone else you're mimicking, have simply made this up because it serves some agenda. You don't know. You have no clue. It's pure speculation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Your fellowship is not restored when you confess your sins, for your fellowship never departed. You are the temple of the Holy Spirit, where is He going to go? He will never forsake you. You, in your sin, may have distanced yourself from the Lord, but the Lord didn't step back. It was you, as with Adam and Eve, who hid. You can have confidence towards God, and in knowing of the forgiveness you have in Jesus, you can be completely open with the Lord.

If only your opinion was scriptural, but it's not. We only have fellowship with the father when we are walking in the light of truth. If we are lying about not having sin, we are not doing the truth. If we acknowledge our sins, we are cleansed and fellowship is restored.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:6-9​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But how many times should we ask the Lord to cleanse us? I believe He completed that miraculous task on the Cross.

What happens when you become defiled by sin? How does your conscience become cleansed? Are you like so many other christians who deal with this by negating the offensiveness of sin to GOD (Oh don't worry about that! It's covered.)?

Keep in mind that the priests who attended the altar under the old covenant had to continually wash themselves with water in order to cleanse themselves from the defilement of the sacrifices they handled, else they would have died. The application for us is that we must keep a clean conscience through walking in the light of the truth that we are sinful beings walking in grace, so that our spirits don't grow cold and die.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What happens when you become defiled by sin? How does your conscience become cleansed? Are you like so many other christians who deal with this by negating the offensiveness of sin to GOD (Oh don't worry about that! It's covered.)?

Keep in mind that the priests who attended the altar under the old covenant had to continually wash themselves with water in order to cleanse themselves from the defilement of the sacrifices they handled, else they would have died. The application for us is that we must keep a clean conscience through walking in the light of the truth that we are sinful beings walking in grace, so that our spirits don't grow cold and die.

I know of no christians (true) who would say this, Could you point them out to me?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I wonder why God still stayed right there with Adam and Eve? I mean, He even came looking for them after they sinned, and was calling out to them. Then He even fashioned coverings for them.

But they weren't restored until they confessed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But they weren't restored until they confessed.

They did not even confess.

Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpant.

They did the blame Game, And God still forgave them..

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ya see, what I don't get is that what you guys seem to be saying is that God is withholding "fellowship" from us, and we have to ask Him to take us back. And I see it as being The Parable of The Prodigal Son. It is only US who PERCEIVE separation or broken fellowship. And as with the PS, the Father never withheld anything. In fact, he went running to his returning son. The son never said one single word of remorse or anything, prior to the Father falling all over him, and kissing him. All the time he was gone, the son was thinking he was going to have to beg for the job of Hired Hand to get back in his Father's good graces..... when he (just like us) was never OUT of his Father's love. He simply FELT that way, and he caused himself all sorts of anguish by accepting that guilt....... guilt that we SHOULD know only comes from one source. And it ain't God.

Well the broken fellowship is real because a relationship takes two parties, but you are right that it is our stance that keeps us from enjoying that relationship (fellowship). GOD does not, cannot, usurp our will to persist in broken fellowship. But he knows it's broken because we have withdrawn in shame from him (like Adam and Eve did) because of a defiled conscience.

For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart doesn't condemn us, then we have confidence toward God. 1 John 3:20-21​

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Man alive! I couldn't follow this thread because it made the simple relationship we have with Jesus Christ look like a gloomy labyrinth of "trying to get back into God's good graces." Yoiks!!!

All we have to do is stop our carnal thoughts from running amok for a few minutes to hear Jesus say, "This is the way. Walk in it."

And we can say, "Oh, of course! You are right, Lord Jesus!"

That's all the confessing I ever do. I confess Jesus Christ is right. He's ALWAYS right. \/ He's Truth!

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Amen..........

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

They did not even confess.

Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpant.

They did the blame Game, And God still forgave them..

They acknowledged what they did was wrong; whether they took responsibility for it or not is immaterial. As with all sin, GOD took the responsibility for it. He just wants us to admit that we're wrong and he's right.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They acknowledged what they did was wrong; whether they took responsibility for it or not is immaterial. As with all sin, GOD took the responsibility for it. He just wants us to admit that we're wrong and he's right.

so now it is not we have to repent (using your interpretation of repent) , just acknowledge.

so when did they acknowledge the sin of the blame game (not taking accountability for our own actions?)

 

[Mec99]

Tell me He RoseFromTheDead where in the Book of Genesis did Adam and Eve confess their sin to God?

God came LOOKING for them first! They did not seek out God to confess their sin.

They WERE restored by God.

Why RoseFromTheDead are you trying to insert into the Scriptures YOUR opinion of what happened?

I do not see any confession from Adam and Eve. So why are you adding to the Scriptures that they confessed?