Baby christening?

[Stephen63]

Question: How can a wife submit to the spiritual head of the house when he isn't saved? She can't, except to his good moral beliefs, whatever they might be.

The child must be protected from the RCC. Don't allow the christening. Now is the time to stand your ground, although it should be mildly & humbly. Remind him since he's not faithful to the RCC, it's not that important anyway.

 

[BarlyGurl]

The OP has also been CLEAR that she knows RCC INFANT BAPTISM is a void ritual... so whether it happens or not... the infant is NOT being SAVED because of it. I do not get how some people assert RCC rituals somehow... HAVE POWER... when they do not.

To the OP... stating outright you don't believe you have to submit to your husband is a pretty good indicator suggesting you probably ought to study in that area. Stating it is because you "love your son too much" is basically putting the child and your will over your marriage and your husband's headship.... you might have trouble understanding that right NOW... but that is disordered and there will be consequences down the road you won't enjoy.

Proper order is 1) God first... when married THE MARRIAGE is 2) husband is head- wife is helpmeet 3)children... then all other outside relationships. If you are going to pick and choose to submit here and usurp there... your are still USURPING God's order.

Prayers for you...

 

[BarlyGurl]

Question: How can a wife submit to the spiritual head of the house when he isn't saved? She can't, except to his good moral beliefs, whatever they might be.

The child must be protected from the RCC. Don't allow the christening. Now is the time to stand your ground, although it should be mildly & humbly. Remind him since he's not faithful to the RCC, it's not that important anyway.

Um... why do you assert the God ordained order of authority of GOD-> Husband-> Wife-> children.... is strictly a SPIRITUAL ONE??? It is NOT, it is the proper order for family as the building block of society... saved, unsaved, heathen, heretic, whatever.... which also re-enforces the admonishment to WHY Christians should not be yoked to unbelievers... but the OP is YOKED and there are scriptures instructing her on what to do.

 

[kaylagrl]

Thank You all for responses..
Yes, I married Catholic after only 3 months being saved..sanctification just started to work and only then I got clearer vision what is what..Anyway - my husband is great, he is open to truth just it happens quite slow.But I'm patient and I believe in him. I made him lough about pope and basically changed many thoughts regards religion etc. But christening is something his family needs more than him , I guess. I think he feels stupid to explain all his 5 brothers and sisters why I'm not open to christen our son. But it's his weakness and problem, right?
Well, I don't agree with comment saying I have to submit to my husband. In this case it's not right.
I just feel i have to stand for my truth. Before I was thinking maybe let it all happen just for the peace sake for all his family. But no, I'm not gonna do that. I love my son too much to think of others opinions, I guess

It seems you're saying the family is more the problem than your husband.Your child is you and your husbands responsibility,you will answer to God for how he is raised not the family. You dont answer to the family. They have no say whatsoever. You need to stand strong and encourage your husband to do the same. Do not give into the family. Its none of their business,period.You owe them no explanation,at all.

 

[shotgunner]

I think it depends on what this christening means to both parents.

Paul both stood firm against circumcision and he circumcised Timotheus. Paul stood firm against it when it was a requirement for salvation, but he circumcised Timotheus because he didn't want his uncircumcision to be a point of contention to the ministry.

 

[VioletReigns]

Thank You all for responses..
Yes, I married Catholic after only 3 months being saved..sanctification just started to work and only then I got clearer vision what is what..Anyway - my husband is great, he is open to truth just it happens quite slow.But I'm patient and I believe in him. I made him lough about pope and basically changed many thoughts regards religion etc. But christening is something his family needs more than him , I guess. I think he feels stupid to explain all his 5 brothers and sisters why I'm not open to christen our son. But it's his weakness and problem, right?
Well, I don't agree with comment saying I have to submit to my husband. In this case it's not right.
I just feel i have to stand for my truth. Before I was thinking maybe let it all happen just for the peace sake for all his family. But no, I'm not gonna do that. I love my son too much to think of others opinions, I guess

Praise God, what a blessing that you and your husband have good communication and that he is receptive to the truth of God. And thank the Lord that you haven't been corrupted by legalism and instead are led by the love of Jesus Christ for your family. How wonderful and faithful is our God! \/

Nice to meet you, by the way. Have an awesome weekend!

 

[atwhatcost]

C'mon! Can we get past the fact that she married a Catholic, please? That was THEN, this is NOW. Sister Lora is asking for encouragement and guidance today, not judgment and condemnation for the past. Yikes!!

Hey now. I like most Catholics. I better. My blood family is Catholic. lol

I'm just saying it wasn't a surprise that he was Catholic, yet she married him. Things like "how do we raise the kids if it comes to that" should have been negotiated before the marriage, so there is trust to submit.

I don't know if they did that, but if they did, this question was already negotiated.

Personally, I'd have the baby baptized because baptism is just a symbol. But then again, if that makes hubby think I'm raising the child as a Catholic then something went terribly wrong with the negotiations before marriage. (Especially given my history with being the Catholic godmother of my younger brother and then Mom died, giving me real responsibility raising my younger brother.) Which also brings about who would the godparents be, given they are promising to raise the child up to be a Catholic.

I'm not lora though. So "personally" really shouldn't come into the advice. We are to submit to our hubbies. If that's a problem for the wife, she shouldn't have married.

 

[atwhatcost]

Thank You all for responses..
Yes, I married Catholic after only 3 months being saved..sanctification just started to work and only then I got clearer vision what is what..Anyway - my husband is great, he is open to truth just it happens quite slow.But I'm patient and I believe in him. I made him lough about pope and basically changed many thoughts regards religion etc. But christening is something his family needs more than him , I guess. I think he feels stupid to explain all his 5 brothers and sisters why I'm not open to christen our son. But it's his weakness and problem, right?
Well, I don't agree with comment saying I have to submit to my husband. In this case it's not right.
I just feel i have to stand for my truth. Before I was thinking maybe let it all happen just for the peace sake for all his family. But no, I'm not gonna do that. I love my son too much to think of others opinions, I guess

Ah, so his family and weakness is HIS problem and submitting isn't yours. This looks like the beginning of a very tough marriage. The best you'll get out of all of this is advice from people who mostly think this is just your weakness and problem too, but they'll weigh in, leaving you to pick up the pieces down the road.

If you don't trust God, you've got bigger problems than this. And if you think hubby stands alone, he has bigger problems than his blood family.

 

[atwhatcost]

Praise God, what a blessing that you and your husband have good communication and that he is receptive to the truth of God. And thank the Lord that you haven't been corrupted by legalism and instead are led by the love of Jesus Christ for your family. How wonderful and faithful is our God! \/

Nice to meet you, by the way. Have an awesome weekend!

She's hanging her husband out to face his family alone. I think that speaks volumes on lack of communications skills. And she doesn't trust God to submit, so it speaks volumes about how she will handle this marriage. I don't think praising God for someone stepping out from under godly guidance is worthy of praising.

A good marriage is unity. I don't see that here.

 

[blondieindahouse]

Ah, so his family and weakness is HIS problem and submitting isn't yours. This looks like the beginning of a very tough marriage. The best you'll get out of all of this is advice from people who mostly think this is just your weakness and problem too, but they'll weigh in, leaving you to pick up the pieces down the road.

If you don't trust God, you've got bigger problems than this. And if you think hubby stands alone, he has bigger problems than his blood family.

You do not know that this is the beginning of a tough marriage and quite frankly it is awfully foolish and MEAN for you to speak out something like that! What is wrong with you? You need to stop.

 

[atwhatcost]

You do not know that this is the beginning of a tough marriage and quite frankly it is awfully foolish and MEAN for you to speak out something like that! What is wrong with you? You need to stop.

Yes, because that's your department.

Actually, I'm telling her to change her mind on a couple of things or this marriage is doomed. Sure beats you playing Christianese without dealing with Christ in that picture.

 

[blondieindahouse]

Yes, because that's your department.

Actually, I'm telling her to change her mind on a couple of things or this marriage is doomed. Sure beats you playing Christianese without dealing with Christ in that picture.

Do you ever pause to listen to yourself? That was rhetorical of course.
Most already know the answer to that question!

You dont get to play the sorceress and determine the future of her marriage. It is FOOLISHNESS

 

[resurrection33]

My husband is Catholic and he wants our son to be christened. I'm against it, it's nowhere in the Bible and anyway all this thing feels just like a reason to make a family party etc. He feels a big pressure from his family as well. He knows my attitude but he still insists...What to do? :/

If you are talking about baptism, I would recommend it. It's mentioned many times in the Bible:

Bible, Revised Standard Version

 

[Magenta]

My husband is Catholic and he wants our son to be christened. I'm against it, it's nowhere in the Bible and anyway all this thing feels just like a reason to make a family party etc. He feels a big pressure from his family as well. He knows my attitude but he still insists...What to do? :/

Do you attend a protestant church? Does your husband attend with you? Have you considered having your child dedicated to Christ there?

 

[lora7]

I'm not going to any church. I have my Christian faith and that's all I need

 

[Angela53510]

I'm not going to any church. I have my Christian faith and that's all I need

Now you really have some issues here. We are instructed to be with other Christians.

"not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near." Hebrews 10:25

We are told to be equipped by those in the ministry, such as pastors.

"And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds[a] and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, 14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. 15 Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, 16 from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love." Eph. 4:11-15



You cannot be a solitary Christian. I think this is a big part of what is going on in your marriage and with your inlaws. You don't want to be part of a community! But the Kingdom of God is by definition a BODY of believers.

"For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. For the body does not consist of one member but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,23 and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, 24 which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, 25 that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26 If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together." 1 Cor. 12:12-26
"Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it." 1 Cor. 12:17

"For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another." Romans 12:4-5



If you are not in a church, you will not grow as a Christian. Your are not using your gifts for the edification of the body of Christ. You simply cannot be alone and solitary and be a Christian. By definition, we are disciples, and we walk with other disciples along the way, till Jesus returns. Jesus even prays his high priestly prayer in John 17 that we would be one in him.

" [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]they also may be in [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]us, so that the world [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]may believe that you have sent me.[/FONT] 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one," John 17:21-22

 

[Magenta]

I'm not going to any church. I have my Christian faith and that's all I need

Your being here suggests otherwise. Fact is, Scripture exhorts us not to forsake assembling together. Surely if you had the support of a loving congregation behind you in your everyday life, this issue would not have escalated to the point it has. As it is, you are now in a position where you feel you need to protect your family from the practice of a religious rite you do not believe in, yet your in laws are nevertheless trying to coerce you to partake of against your will and wishes. Were you already members of a congregation, having a similar service for your son there may have gone a good distance to mollifying them, even if they continued to disapprove of your not being RCC, and despite the fact that Catholics do not easily relinquish their legalistic positions. Still, it is an issue you and your husband need to decide between the two of you. To that end, I wish you well.

 

[lora7]

Ok, I may said it in wrong way - I'm open to attend church or ministry just haven't found any good and true yet. So far I've been alright in faith on my own, but like-minded people around would be really amazing. Here in UK, nearby is church of LDS(Mormons), 7th day Adventists, Church of Christ Scientist, Anglican Church, Catholic etc etc , so..I'm really confused and would like to attend "real" church where I can freely talk about excorcism, End times and other things, without hiding. If anyone has suggestions, please let me know. I know, I need to explore more, I hope God will lead me there.
As about christening, I'm even more convinced not to let it happen. No matter what.Thank to you all

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Exorcism is hardly a common topic in any church.

"shop around" for a bit and se where they stay true to the gospel.
I personally like church of Scotland / evangelical churches the most

 

[JustAnotherUser]

Is your husband a devout Catholic, or is he wanting this done for the sake of tradition since it's being enforced by his parents? The two just might make a difference. Many Catholics themselves feel impelled to do these type of things because it is a tradition that has been passed on for generations rather than actually believing that it's a holy event.

With that said, I would say in the personal opinion of coming from a family who has done the same for tradition that if it is strongly upheld and becomes the majority opinion then go on with it. As some others said, once the child gets older and gets the concept of freewill and choosing to devout his life then he could be taught the way of making salvation as a personal choice rather than an inheritance based on forced christening. Since it seems that this subject was not brought up prior to starting a family or if you changed your mind about denominations while proceeding on with the marriage, this would probably make it become a sudden shock and dispute that could tear family because they had expectations of going through with these events without being told that there were objections before marriage and children.

That's just my take.