The Law Debacle Resolved
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One thing is for sure.
As long as people want the children of God to go back to following a schoolmaster and being a slave to it (as paul said in Gal 3) then this so called "law debacle" will never be resolved, it will be a contention of division between people who call themselves Gods people.
and sadly, This will go on until CHrist himelf returns and sets the world straight! Because pride and ego's are just too strong
As long as people want the children of God to go back to following a schoolmaster and being a slave to it (as paul said in Gal 3) then this so called "law debacle" will never be resolved, it will be a contention of division between people who call themselves Gods people.
and sadly, This will go on until CHrist himelf returns and sets the world straight! Because pride and ego's are just too strong
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ngs-legalistic-pharisees-didnt-recognize.html
I'm sure the Pharisees asked themselves the same questions, wondering how those three attributes were missed after Jesus was finished calling them out. They obviously were so busy with their own doctrine that they never dreamed that the law actually describes them.
I'm sure the Pharisees asked themselves the same questions, wondering how those three attributes were missed after Jesus was finished calling them out. They obviously were so busy with their own doctrine that they never dreamed that the law actually describes them.
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I think part of the problem is not listening to each other. For example I say that those who are saved will keep the law all 10.
But people jump to conclusions on how and why. They say you believe in salvation by your works. But they are wrong I believe in salvation through Jesus works for and in us.
You show me a person who says I am crucified with Christ and He lives in me, yet does things that Jesus would not and all you have showed me is either a deceived person or a liar.
But people jump to conclusions on how and why. They say you believe in salvation by your works. But they are wrong I believe in salvation through Jesus works for and in us.
You show me a person who says I am crucified with Christ and He lives in me, yet does things that Jesus would not and all you have showed me is either a deceived person or a liar.
Yes, but what law? GOD's laws have changed with the times. A man can break the law of Moses and not be lawless (e.g., physical circumcision).
The one law that has remained constant from Adam to now is to have faith in GOD and love one's neighbor, otherwise know as the law of Christ. That is the immutable law. To break that law is lawlessness.
The one law that has remained constant from Adam to now is to have faith in GOD and love one's neighbor, otherwise know as the law of Christ. That is the immutable law. To break that law is lawlessness.
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Yep. You never did answer those questions did you. And so many other questions that myself, Ben, and many others have asked you.
Just like the pharisee when Christ confronted them with questions they could not answer. they would walk away.
The pharisee did not recognize those three. Because the law never brought them to Christ.
And as I asked already numerous times, Even if they had recognized those three it stil would not have saved them (making your thread invalid) they still would have had to accept Christ.
But then, Adam and Abraham understood those three and never had the law. So they are not in question anyway.
It was not a law that brought Abraham and Noah and Adam to God, it was FAITH
Faith and law do not mix. It is like mixing oil and water..
Gal 3:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now before faith came, we were HELD CAPTIVE under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [SUP]26 [/SUP]for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[SUP][g][/SUP] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The law held us captive until we had the faith of abraham,Those are pauls words. Just-Me's words do not trump Pauls words. Sorry
Just like the pharisee when Christ confronted them with questions they could not answer. they would walk away.
The pharisee did not recognize those three. Because the law never brought them to Christ.
And as I asked already numerous times, Even if they had recognized those three it stil would not have saved them (making your thread invalid) they still would have had to accept Christ.
But then, Adam and Abraham understood those three and never had the law. So they are not in question anyway.
It was not a law that brought Abraham and Noah and Adam to God, it was FAITH
Faith and law do not mix. It is like mixing oil and water..
Gal 3:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Now before faith came, we were HELD CAPTIVE under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, [SUP]26 [/SUP]for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[SUP][g][/SUP] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The law held us captive until we had the faith of abraham,Those are pauls words. Just-Me's words do not trump Pauls words. Sorry
The 10 are very much distinct from the rest. In fact take away the 10 commandments and the rest lose meaning. God himself made them distinct by speaking them, writing them and having them stored in the ark.
Take them away and there is no sin, if there is no sin then there is no need for saving meaning no need for sacrificial laws take them away and there is no need for priests so all the laws of the priests are useless. etc
Take them away and there is no sin, if there is no sin then there is no need for saving meaning no need for sacrificial laws take them away and there is no need for priests so all the laws of the priests are useless. etc
The 10 however are much broader and deeper than a surface reading give. Jesus showed this on the sermon on the mount.
But how many laws etc really does not matter. If our old nature which sinned is crucified daily with Him and by His spirit we partake of the divine nature that Christ may dwell in our hearts by faith. Then by faith all the laws will be kept as it is not us but Christ that lives in us and the lives we live are by faith in Him.
But how many laws etc really does not matter. If our old nature which sinned is crucified daily with Him and by His spirit we partake of the divine nature that Christ may dwell in our hearts by faith. Then by faith all the laws will be kept as it is not us but Christ that lives in us and the lives we live are by faith in Him.
It wasn't a faulty God given law that caused that problem of not entering into the promised land. It was the people who rejected our Almighty's instructions. What happened afterwards? Compromising with the world via the "doctrine of Balaam."
The problem isn't the law of God. The problem is with people rejecting its truth. Finding fault with the law of God is finding fault with God Himself.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Exodus 20:7
The problem isn't the law of God. The problem is with people rejecting its truth. Finding fault with the law of God is finding fault with God Himself.
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Exodus 20:7
Its not so much about keeping the law but rather having Christ. But you can't have Christ and not keep the law. That's like saying Jesus will not do what Jesus does. It makes no sense at all.
this is the good news. Jesus died and raised again that we through His blood and life may escape the sin that did hold us in bondage.
Jesus did not die to get rid of the law. that makes no sense, He gave it in the first place. besides getting rid of it does not fix the problem. Sin is the problem not the law.
this is the good news. Jesus died and raised again that we through His blood and life may escape the sin that did hold us in bondage.
Jesus did not die to get rid of the law. that makes no sense, He gave it in the first place. besides getting rid of it does not fix the problem. Sin is the problem not the law.
So why do we not need the law after we have come to Christ?
Simple because the law was given to show us our sin that we needed saving from. once we are saved from it we are no longer breaking that law and thus no longer need it to point out our sin because we are no longer walking in sin. The law now written on our hearts.
Simple because the law was given to show us our sin that we needed saving from. once we are saved from it we are no longer breaking that law and thus no longer need it to point out our sin because we are no longer walking in sin. The law now written on our hearts.
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