Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

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Until you have seen a gay person cry out to Jesus. Scream why won't you fix me and then OD on drugs, or hang themselves. You will think it is a choice.

I can show you the obituaries if I have to.

Kefa
 
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I have no clue what you are talking about.

Kefa


Mitspa said:
Lying to people or making excuses for what is clearly defined in the bible as the most repulsive of sins. (Rom 1)..don't lead anyone to Christ...its just leads folks into deception and puts some religious block on the conscience of those who are clearly going to suffer in hell. You do believe in hell ..right?
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Thats part of the problem, Kefa. People believing that being tempted is somehow a sin.

Just having the temptation come to you is in no way a sin. Thats why we need to have a strong standing on the word of God. Theres a difference between being tempted and acting out on it. God is not angry that you deal with temptation, and no where has that ever been told to us by God.

Thats why we need to spread the word, all one has to do is repent, and choose to not act out on the sin again. Then have the faith to believe that God can guide you away from it, and that dealing with temptation doesnt somehow pull one away from God. If someone who deals with homosexuality believes that being tempted pulls them away from God, then they have no understanding of His word.
 
I mean, screaming "why wont you fix me" is an extreme lack of faith. The people who have done that did not understand His word at all.

When Christ was tempted in the desert, He simply said no, He did not cry out to God about having to deal with saying no to temptation.
 
I will answer this tomorrow after a good nights sleep. You don't want to know what my flesh wants to reply with.

Kefa

Yeraza_Bats said:
I mean, screaming "why wont you fix me" is an extreme lack of faith. The people who have done that did not understand His word at all.

When Christ was tempted in the desert, He simply said no, He did not cry out to God about having to deal with saying no to temptation.
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Kefa54 said:
Until you have seen a gay person cry out to Jesus. Scream why won't you fix me and then OD on drugs, or hang themselves. You will think it is a choice.

I can show you the obituaries if I have to.

Kefa
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Sin is always a choice,thats what the Bible says. If being gay is not a choice then God is a liar. The problem is that many people dont understand that they are bound by a spirit of deception.It is not easy to turn loose of sexual sins. We need to pray that the bondage be broken in their lives because that is what satan wants,to lie to them and take their lives and drag their soul to hell. Christians that waffle and wont tell them the truth are only helping satan keep them in bondage. You can love someone yet tell them the truth. Mature Christians understand this,not saying you're not.
 
Kefa54 said:
Until you have seen a gay person cry out to Jesus. Scream why won't you fix me and then OD on drugs, or hang themselves. You will think it is a choice.

I can show you the obituaries if I have to.

Kefa
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That's such nonsense ...you have one on this very thread that knows the truth...but because they don't go along with your unbelief you wont listen.
 
Kefa54 said:
I will answer this tomorrow after a good nights sleep. You don't want to know what my flesh wants to reply with.

Kefa
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You do understand that Yeraza was very deep into the gay lifestyle...maybe God want s you to rethink what your going to say...because it may indeed be based on your flesh and not the truth in the spirit.
 
Kefa54 said:
Until you have seen a gay person cry out to Jesus. Scream why won't you fix me and then OD on drugs, or hang themselves. You will think it is a choice.

I can show you the obituaries if I have to.

Kefa
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Every loving parent, every person with a heart understands that the torment described here is truly tragic.
Sexual orientation, the effect of environment, emotion, family, friends all have a part to play. We are such a complex mixture of so many things outside our control, mental illness being just one of them.

If people can get the picture we need to accept who we are and then work on where we need to get to, things begin to make sense.

Many homosexuals have good relationships and marriages with women, so it is partly preference rather than inability at sexual interaction. What makes this even more complex, is there is more variation in personality and lifestyles within each gender than there is differences between genders, so the idea of preference is often a more superficial issue compared to trust and intimacy, which is much more powerful, and where Jesus begins to speak to the soul.
 
Omni said:
It is not a special right given, it is a ban against an equal right lifted. There's a difference.

Fair proportions of every population are people who are attracted to the same sex. Recent reports suggest about 92% of people identify as straight in tests, but it's possible that some of those are still closeted individuals. The reason you're seeing openly gay people more frequently is precisely because it's becoming something to which there is attached less and less stigma. Years beforehand, most of those gay people would have lived straight lives out of fear, shame, and cultural pressure.

I don't celebrate homosexuality, per se, because I'm straight, but I do celebrate the lifting of a ban on homosexuality that has caused people to live lies for centuries. I don't think anybody should have to live a lie. Religion was the only ever basis for the ban in the first place, and since not everybody wants to be religious, nobody in a secular country should have to follow laws that have no basis other than religion.
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But living a lie is exactly what the homosexual lifestyle is all about.There are lots of sins my flesh loved to indulge in when I was unsaved but now that I am saved I do not par take ,does that mean I am living a lie?,should I be ''honest with myself'' and go back to my sin life?Look at the pathetic lifestyle of the so called transexual....now that is living a lie if ever there was one.
 
Within the past five years I have noticed a unprecidented stupidity creeping into the thinking and reasoning of the public (Christians too).More and more people are being brainwashed and intimidated into accepting lunatic ideas and practices.
A snare is being set for us friends....are you going to go with what Satan and the world is telling you (like Eve) or are you going to suffer with Christ?
 
@Kefa
You deal with the temptation of sexual immorality, or at least have before in your life, right? Did you react in that way? Did you lose all faith in God because you had to deal with a temptation?

Why is the temptation for homosexuality any different than any other temptation for sexual immorality? Why is it really so much more difficult for someone who deals with this than all other human beings anywhere ever? Its not that it truly is, its that the world wants you to believe it is, because when you accept that doctrine, you let go of Gods word, and allow sin to take hold, and the reason people allow it is because it leads to the pleasure of the sin.

Homosexuality is just the temptation for sexual immorality. If someone doesnt understand Gods word, then yeah maybe they really will lose their mind to the point they hold God accountable for temptation, instead of merely walking with faith in Him and saying no. That is why we must spread the Gospel. Temptation is temptation, and we all deal with it.
 
we don't choose what is our temptation; we do choose to give in or to resist.

what is it then, if we choose to try to justify giving in?
or if we define ourselves by our temptations, instead of by the new life Christ offers us?
 
Kefa54 said:
Until you have seen a gay person cry out to Jesus. Scream why won't you fix me and then OD on drugs, or hang themselves. You will think it is a choice.

I can show you the obituaries if I have to.

Kefa
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Whatever man. My brother killed himself but even when he was alive I told him IT IS HIS CHOICE. He gave in to sin... I always loved him but I never agreed with his way of living.

It is sickening to see people hide behind their sin in a pityparty. Acknowledge it and work on yourself. Stop looking for excuses because we are all going to face God who knows the truth.
 
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This does bring up an issue with the whole lbgt thing that makes me upset though. The idea that if you are tempted by homosexuality, you are therefore naturally a homosexual, just cuz, and nothing can be done to change it. Young people take this message being taught to them, and then believe that the fact that they are being tempted by it means that they are now homosexual, and now God hates them merely for being tempted, they dont understand that they are only being tempted, and that the sin lies in having relations of someone of the same sex, and not just being tempted by it. They then believe that God must truly be evil and unjust, because Hes casting judgement on something they have no control over.

We need to make a point to spread the fact that it is ONLY temptation, and that it is being allowed for God to call His elect out from the wicked world, and that the way to God is NOT to never have to deal with it, as if being tempted now makes you Gods enemy, but to say no in the face of temptation. God knows were being led astray, He knows that we all deal with these things. Being gay is acting out on the temptation, being tempted by it but choosing not to act out on it just makes you another regular human being.

This is where a big problem with young people and the false doctrine of homosexuality lies. They have no idea what is happening to them, and believe that it must be in their genes, and that God hates them for it. They dont have the truth, so they are /easily/ led into the hands of the wolves by their confusion.
 
Temptation verses sin

The condemnation crowd believe your thought life defines who you are. The reality is thoughts or reactions to stimuli are natural biological reactions, as well as ideas or thoughts that come up to help or prompt you to action.
Morality begins when you choose to dwell on the wrong things, and turns into sin when you put these desires into sinful action.

We need always to separate how we react from who we choose to be. Gods people choose to be righteous driven by the power of Jesus love working through the Holy Spirit.

So many feel guilty and sinful because of natural impulses, when this is the flesh just reminding us of being human. You can feed these reactions or redirect them in helpful ways. Each has to find what works for them, because we are all unique.
It is wrong to believe we are perfect so therefore each reaction is correct or appropriate and should be responded to.

This leads to oppression of women, removal of everything in society which might cause a response, to the degree it is the fault of the object creating the reaction and not the inappropriate action chosen by the individual not handling or coping with who they are and how they react.

A large part of following Jesus is taking responsibility of who we are and dealing appropriately with situations.
We have not been vocal enough telling people responsibility is on sinners to not sin. The whole psychological school of thought has attempted to say remove morality and you remove guilt, rather than accept who you are and apply love and appropriateness to how you deal with it. Sin is still sin.
 
Omni said:
What two consenting adults do with their own sex organs isn't any of mine or your business, though, is it?
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When homosexuals try to normalize their behaviour,call themselves married,parade naked before children in our city streets, try to bully and villify christians it becomes everyone's business.
 
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

Homosexuals CAN accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior! Homosexuals CAN turn away from their sins and walk with Jesus!

The problem is many Gay people do not want to give up their sin! They love their sins so much they REFUSE to give them up to follow God!

Even in the days of Paul, there was Homosexuals who turned away from their sins to follow God. So they can do the same today.

People assume that because they are Gay they cannot stop sinning. This is the GREATEST lie from Satan that one cannot turn away from their sins to follow God!
 
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