The Law Debacle Resolved
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Please would a few of you stop with this whole works to earn, or works to maintain salvation bit !!!
This is a lie that nobody is saying and if you claim we are making false statements on others, we would appreciate it if this false allegation would stop being used to.
This thread is getting derailed because of these false allegations, take it in PM or move on !!!
Ember, I agree with you, you can only see Jesus by a work of the Holy Spirit.
Unless love has captured our soul, turned us round and built us up, all else is just religion and dogma.
There was a young man who knew all the theology, but just was cold to the gospel. His father years later came to him after being diagnosed with cancer, and they finally started expressing the love between them with the phrase "I love you."
The young man suddenly realised who Jesus was and had become real to him.
I know if this has never happened to you my words will be empty. It does not invalidate them or the gospel, but it does illustrate the problem of the kingdom, even among those who know all the theology and have such church and emotional experience.
So here we stand. But I still hold with, who do you say "I love you" to in your life?
Unless love has captured our soul, turned us round and built us up, all else is just religion and dogma.
There was a young man who knew all the theology, but just was cold to the gospel. His father years later came to him after being diagnosed with cancer, and they finally started expressing the love between them with the phrase "I love you."
The young man suddenly realised who Jesus was and had become real to him.
I know if this has never happened to you my words will be empty. It does not invalidate them or the gospel, but it does illustrate the problem of the kingdom, even among those who know all the theology and have such church and emotional experience.
So here we stand. But I still hold with, who do you say "I love you" to in your life?
This is condemnation and judgementalism on a christian brother. It is an exaguration. So faith in Jesus you do not want to emulate. A desire for righteous obedient living you do not want to emulate.
An honest appreciation of scripture you do not want to emulate.
Taking the meaning of the words and the example before you are not a believer.
This is a remark of thorns. Beware this language or intent because it does not lead to goodness, love or even grace.
An honest appreciation of scripture you do not want to emulate.
Taking the meaning of the words and the example before you are not a believer.
This is a remark of thorns. Beware this language or intent because it does not lead to goodness, love or even grace.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Matt 5:11
A conceptual flip-over of ideas, makes us the law keepers and those who talk about grace without right living, followers of God. For me the argument has always been with sinners, does God love us? Will he be able to make us into people we can be proud to be?
I think the answer to this question is yes. If the answer was no, then we could not be a light on a hill, a people loving each other in love, having the same heart as God.
This is what Jesus hoped for, prayed to God that we would become. We are not saying we have achieved this but just saying this is what Jesus is saying is to be a hypocrite. A hypocrite is someone who sins but hides it. If we are not hypocrites but speaking the truth, then we stand with Jesus. So I say Amen.
Matt 5:11
A conceptual flip-over of ideas, makes us the law keepers and those who talk about grace without right living, followers of God. For me the argument has always been with sinners, does God love us? Will he be able to make us into people we can be proud to be?
I think the answer to this question is yes. If the answer was no, then we could not be a light on a hill, a people loving each other in love, having the same heart as God.
This is what Jesus hoped for, prayed to God that we would become. We are not saying we have achieved this but just saying this is what Jesus is saying is to be a hypocrite. A hypocrite is someone who sins but hides it. If we are not hypocrites but speaking the truth, then we stand with Jesus. So I say Amen.
K
Yes this is right and since being on here and even talking to some out in the world I have heard all kinds of outlandish things that do not align with the bible:
1) Saying we can not know believers from unbelievers, when the bible says we will know them by their fruit
2) Saying we do not strive to be good or do good works, when the bible says we are created, predestined, and we are to strive to be good, and to encourage others to do good works.
3) Jesus fulfilled all on the cross, when the bible shows there are still things unfulfilled and He fulfills others through us by walking in love.
I don't know about that but the bible says there is simplicity in Christ, and I see a lot of others trying to complicate the word and make private interpretations out of it by going by man's doctrines.
Jesus Christ said to the hypocrites.....You rue the traditions of man as commandment from God."
Those who are against obeying God are actually putting forth a tradition of man as a commandment of their own saying it is God's... It is not.
Disobedience is likened to witchcraft by God............in other versions likened to idolatry, and so it goes.
Those who are against obeying God are actually putting forth a tradition of man as a commandment of their own saying it is God's... It is not.
Disobedience is likened to witchcraft by God............in other versions likened to idolatry, and so it goes.
K
Another lie that nobody is saying as nobody is saying the works of the law (keeping and obeying the written ordinances of the Mosaic law) is needed or applies in the new covenant for salvation.
Please move on and get over this false allegation, and please do a study on what the "Perfect law of liberty" is and what it entails. Until you do and can then discern between it from the Mosaic law then we have no more to say as this keeps going around in circles !!!
Please move on and get over this false allegation, and please do a study on what the "Perfect law of liberty" is and what it entails. Until you do and can then discern between it from the Mosaic law then we have no more to say as this keeps going around in circles !!!
Z
What I don't understand is Christians with an "i can't so why even try" attitude. Do you really think God wants you idle, alone, and helpless? I've heard it said before, "God helps those who help themselves ." It seems that some ppl think that faith is all you need. The demons have faith in who Christ is
K
Luke 13:24
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Colossians 1:29
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Here is just a couple of scriptures about striving to do His will in our lives, and as for things that are unfulfilled..............
Most of Revelation, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and some prophecies from the OT such as Isaiah 21.
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Colossians 1:29
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
Here is just a couple of scriptures about striving to do His will in our lives, and as for things that are unfulfilled..............
Most of Revelation, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and some prophecies from the OT such as Isaiah 21.
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