The Law Debacle Resolved
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That wasn't very nice. 
He stresses obedience, And slams those of us who preach grace. And claims we do nt like to be obedient, But as I just showed you. We are obedient by love...
In his gospel. one would have to be perfect (which is why I keep asking if he is perfect) or else. according to Gods standard, he is disobedient (ie he stressed a demand which he can not observe himself)
I have tried to show him this, But he does not want to hear, so I just ocnfront him hoping God may open his eyes.
Z
Maybe faith is the wrong word. Maybe knowing is the right word. These Christians know Jesus, but the " I can't" attitude imo shows no faith. God has work for us to do. He can't use a person that won't work. He definitely has no use for a person that teaches Christians that it is over for them. No work, just believe does not help the needy
There is a theological and experiential reality. After coming to faith, with some have amazing conversion experiences they are not perfect. The walk of transformation from sinner saved to saint made needs to progress.
As the seed and the sower parable shows. The word falls on good ground and takes root. It still has to grow and bring forth fruit. Now if you look around the church, you will see such problems and imperfections, areas were growth and maturity are needed. All the letters from the apostles testify to this process, their struggles with opposition, false teachers and the need to encourage people to live right and honourable pure lives.
Or where you thinking of something else?
As the seed and the sower parable shows. The word falls on good ground and takes root. It still has to grow and bring forth fruit. Now if you look around the church, you will see such problems and imperfections, areas were growth and maturity are needed. All the letters from the apostles testify to this process, their struggles with opposition, false teachers and the need to encourage people to live right and honourable pure lives.
Or where you thinking of something else?
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No false allegations.
Mr Ken here has me on ignore.
But he teaches if one is not obedient, he loses salvation Ihe twists it by saying it is not works of the law he is saying or not this or that works, but they are works all the same)
You will find most here who are screaming that we deny obedience will come in a true child of God thinks salvation can be lost, given or or must be earned, They will just deny they say it.
Mr Ken here has me on ignore.
But he teaches if one is not obedient, he loses salvation Ihe twists it by saying it is not works of the law he is saying or not this or that works, but they are works all the same)
You will find most here who are screaming that we deny obedience will come in a true child of God thinks salvation can be lost, given or or must be earned, They will just deny they say it.
K
Yes the "I can't" attitude reminds a lot like the attitude of the disciples who Jesus called men of little faith a couple of times, on when they said who can be saved then. They doubted the Lord that it could be done !!!
It was latter He told them about the Holy Spirit and how He will guide us in all truth to keep us on the proper path, and part of that path is that one can not be disobedient to His teachings and commands.
It was latter He told them about the Holy Spirit and how He will guide us in all truth to keep us on the proper path, and part of that path is that one can not be disobedient to His teachings and commands.
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Great example [not being sarcastic]
Now do you know why the Spirit would be saying that?
Because in the Torah it states to help someone who is in need.
With the Spirit knowing the whole of the Torah and how to operate it, yes the Spirit is going to guide you to do this.
Everyone who is against everything in Torah just wants to point out the biggies: circumcission, stoning, sacrifices/offerings.
They either 1 forget, or 2 do not know the majority of the commands in Torah are on how to show love to God and show love to ones nieghbor.
For example: There's helping out a widow or an orphan. Helping someone whose ox has gone lame (for today, help someone whose car has broken down). Giving to the poor and helping out the needy. The majority of of commands in the Torah are like this and show love, people just choose not to pay attention to it.
Now do you know why the Spirit would be saying that?
Because in the Torah it states to help someone who is in need.
With the Spirit knowing the whole of the Torah and how to operate it, yes the Spirit is going to guide you to do this.
Everyone who is against everything in Torah just wants to point out the biggies: circumcission, stoning, sacrifices/offerings.
They either 1 forget, or 2 do not know the majority of the commands in Torah are on how to show love to God and show love to ones nieghbor.
For example: There's helping out a widow or an orphan. Helping someone whose ox has gone lame (for today, help someone whose car has broken down). Giving to the poor and helping out the needy. The majority of of commands in the Torah are like this and show love, people just choose not to pay attention to it.
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