How can God justify the ungodly and still maintain His integrity to His law?
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"In Christ" we stand justified, sanctified and redeemed (glorified). This is our standing in Christ through faith. In Him we are perfect now and in the judgment. We can add nothing to this through our works. To try to add to God's work "in Christ" is legalism.
Gal 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Roberth,
You are discussing about the moral law, but you have quote verses about ceremonial law(circumcision). This is why I say that you have quoted verses out of context.
Adam's was guilty of sin.
We were born in a fallen state, due to Adam's sin.
To possess a fallen human state means to be guilty before God.
If Jesus was born with the fallen human state(according to you), that would make him guilty before God.
How then could one guilty person(Christ) redeem another(us)?
We were born in a fallen state, due to Adam's sin.
To possess a fallen human state means to be guilty before God.
If Jesus was born with the fallen human state(according to you), that would make him guilty before God.
How then could one guilty person(Christ) redeem another(us)?
R
The Lord Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, When a woman is pregnant her blood and the unborn child's blood do not mix (Please research this if you do not believe me). Since He was the only begotten son of the Father his blood was 100% divine due to the fact that Mary's blood never came into contact with Jesus's Blood. To end the curse Jesus had to be 100%man and 100%God and due to the fact that The Lord Jesus Christ's blood never came into contact with Mary's blood he was not born into the Adamic sin nature. Therefore was sinless before the whole world and not guilty. The Lord never sinned but took on sin at the cross for our eternal redemption
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Roberth, Please read your own posts (as quoted above) carefully.
In the first post above, you are saying that "Christ took upon His Deity our fallen humanity indwelt with iniquity."
What is your definition of iniquity?
Doesn't iniquity make one guilty?
In your second post, you are saying, "Guilty of what?"
You have continuously been contradicting your own words, and quoting verses out of context.
Roberth,
You are selectively answering my questions.
Many of my questions remain unanswered.
You believe the following (as evident from your posts):
=>"our life from Adam...i.e., our humanity indwelt with iniquity."
=>"Christ took upon His Deity our fallen humanity indwelt with iniquity."
=> The Law required our death to free us from the Adamic fallen condition we inherited
=> Jesus died to free us from that Adamic fallen condition
=>and we(our old Adamic humanity indwelt with iniquity) died with him 2000 years ago
My questions to the above beliefs are:
1) If the Law required mankind to die, why didn't it require Jesus (who according to you, had our "fallen humanity indwelt with iniquity") to die under the Law as well?
2) How can one person (Jesus) with the same "humanity indwelt with iniquity" redeem another(us) with the same condition?
3) If your "humanity indwelt with iniquity" died at the cross 2000 years ago, are you saying after believing in Jesus, your "bent-to-self" nature (corrupted nature, as a result of Adam's sin)has died, and, today, you no more have the selfish tendencies of fallen man?(note that selfish bent-to-self tendency is different from willfully committed sin)
You are selectively answering my questions.
Many of my questions remain unanswered.
You believe the following (as evident from your posts):
=>"our life from Adam...i.e., our humanity indwelt with iniquity."
=>"Christ took upon His Deity our fallen humanity indwelt with iniquity."
=> The Law required our death to free us from the Adamic fallen condition we inherited
=> Jesus died to free us from that Adamic fallen condition
=>and we(our old Adamic humanity indwelt with iniquity) died with him 2000 years ago
My questions to the above beliefs are:
1) If the Law required mankind to die, why didn't it require Jesus (who according to you, had our "fallen humanity indwelt with iniquity") to die under the Law as well?
2) How can one person (Jesus) with the same "humanity indwelt with iniquity" redeem another(us) with the same condition?
3) If your "humanity indwelt with iniquity" died at the cross 2000 years ago, are you saying after believing in Jesus, your "bent-to-self" nature (corrupted nature, as a result of Adam's sin)has died, and, today, you no more have the selfish tendencies of fallen man?(note that selfish bent-to-self tendency is different from willfully committed sin)
Again, how? Guilty of what? You aren't answering my question.
Iniquity isn't the same as transgression. Transgression is the breaking of a known law. In the case of the Bible sin = transgression of the law. See 1 John 3:4
What then is iniquity?
The primary meaning of iniquity is not an act but a condition. As a result of the fall, man by very nature is spiritually “bent,” so that the driving force of his very nature is love of self. Paul defines it as “the law of sin and death” [Romans 7:23; 8:2]. It is this condition that is the basis of all our sinning....
Iniquity isn't the same as transgression. Transgression is the breaking of a known law. In the case of the Bible sin = transgression of the law. See 1 John 3:4
What then is iniquity?
The primary meaning of iniquity is not an act but a condition. As a result of the fall, man by very nature is spiritually “bent,” so that the driving force of his very nature is love of self. Paul defines it as “the law of sin and death” [Romans 7:23; 8:2]. It is this condition that is the basis of all our sinning....
1] My source is the Bible and the Bible only. Comprehend?
2] SDA have a basic problem - they tend to teach a subtle form of legalism and many make Ellen White their pope.
I haven't attended church since 1997. I am a non-attending Christian. Now, back to the subject.
These distractions are a tool to used to change the subject.
2] SDA have a basic problem - they tend to teach a subtle form of legalism and many make Ellen White their pope.
I haven't attended church since 1997. I am a non-attending Christian. Now, back to the subject.
These distractions are a tool to used to change the subject.