How can God justify the ungodly and still maintain His integrity to His law?

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Magenta

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And he (Jesus) said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become
like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
 
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How can God justify the ungodly and still maintain His integrity to His law?

Oh this was last Sunday's sermon. Pastor Prince explained this so clearly. Well, here's a test of my memory. Well, I'm sure someone already answered this here but here goes anyway.

Short answer - Jesus Christ.

Long answer - ...
 
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You dodged my question, didn't you?
We are to accept the gospel. We are to trust God's truth as a child trust.

You, onlinebuddy, reject the gospel of Paul. You dismiss it; call it complicated, etc.

As to Paul's authority, read:

Romans 1:1 From Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus and an apostle chosen and called by God to preach his Good News. 2 The Good News was promised long ago by God through his prophets, as written in the Holy Scriptures. 3 It is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: as to his humanity, he was born a descendant of David;
4 as to his divine holiness, he was shown with great power to be the Son of God by being raised from death.

Now, please, tell me who died in the following:

Rom 6:6 "
We know that our old life died with Christ on the cross"

Rom 7:4 "
your old life died, and you became free from the law through the body of Christ"

2 Cor 5:14 "One died
for all, therefore all died"
 
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Gal 2:19 "For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God."

Romans 7:6 "we have been released from the Law...."

How?

"Having died to the law by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit."

The human life we all share with Adam, our corporate fallen life, died in Christ because God's law demanded our death. This is the gospel!

Any other gospel is a hybrid of Romans Catholicism, which is "another gospel".


 
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Now the warning:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people....
God's people, who are in all the Christian denominations, are to preach "the everlasting gospel". It's the one Paul preached by the authority of God the Father and the Son of God, Christ!

8 And another angel, a second one, followed, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality."
Spiritual Babylon, not literal Babylon, at some future time will completely fall from grace. Why? She continues to present "another gospel".

As God's people are in all Christendom, so are those who present "another gospel". They are wolves in sheep's clothing. They glory not "in Christ Jesus", but try to teach "another gospel"!

What does Paul state about those who preach a gospel besides the one he preached with authority?

Gal 1:6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some (wolves in sheep's clothing) who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we (Paul and the Apostles) have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

We need to take this very, very seriously!!!!
 
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We are to accept the gospel. We are to trust God's truth as a child trust.

You, onlinebuddy, reject the gospel of Paul. You dismiss it; call it complicated, etc.

As to Paul's authority, read:

Romans 1:1 From Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus and an apostle chosen and called by God to preach his Good News. 2 The Good News was promised long ago by God through his prophets, as written in the Holy Scriptures. 3 It is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: as to his humanity, he was born a descendant of David;
4 as to his divine holiness, he was shown with great power to be the Son of God by being raised from death.

Now, please, tell me who died in the following:

Rom 6:6 "
We know that our old life died with Christ on the cross"

Rom 7:4 "
your old life died, and you became free from the law through the body of Christ"

2 Cor 5:14 "One died
for all, therefore all died"
I have never rejected the Gospel as preached by Paul.
I have rejected your interpretation of it.

Would you please mind explaining what Paul means when he is talking about the "law?"
Also, what does Paul mean when he uses the words "old life?"
 

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Originally Posted by Roberth

We are to accept the gospel. We are to trust God's truth as a child trust.

You, onlinebuddy, reject the gospel of Paul. You dismiss it; call it complicated, etc.

As to Paul's authority, read:

Romans 1:1 From Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus and an apostlechosen and called by God to preach his Good News. 2 The Good News was promised long ago by God through his prophets, as written in the Holy Scriptures. 3 It is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: as to his humanity, he was born a descendant of David;
4 as to his divine holiness, he was shown with great power to be the Son of God by being raised from death.

Now, please, tell me who died in the following:

Rom 6:6 "
We know that our old life died with Christ on the cross"

Rom 7:4 "
your old life died, and you became free from the law through the body of Christ"

2 Cor 5:14 "One died
for all, therefore all died"

I have never rejected the Gospel as preached by Paul.
I have rejected your interpretation of it.

Would you please mind explaining what Paul means when he is talking about the "law?"
Also, what does Paul mean when he uses the words "old life?"
...and how would you explain this to a person who has never heard of the law or about Jesus?
 
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Would you please mind explaining what Paul means when he is talking about the "law?" Also, what does Paul mean when he uses the words "old life?"
SO you need me to help you? Can't you read? Trying read the context of Romans 7:1-7
 
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...and how would you explain this to a person who has never heard of the law or about Jesus?
This didn't answer my question. Here is, again: "Now, please, tell me who died in the following"
 
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Try reading the context of Romans 7:1-7

7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law (the Jews, the Gentiles were at that time ignorant)—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

 
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[video]http://www.jacksequeira.org/videos/gospel_in_nutshell.html[/video]
 

onlinebuddy

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SO you need me to help you? Can't you read? Trying read the context of Romans 7:1-7

Yes, I need you to help me, since I stand condemned by you.

Paul is speaking to those who know the law.
But I'm not a Jew, and I do not know the law.
(just like most people in the US.)

 

onlinebuddy

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So, i repeat my 2 questions:
What is the "law?"
What is the "old life?"
 

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How can God justify the ungodly [Romans 4:5] and still maintain His integrity to His holy law which condemns sinners [Galatians 3:10]? I ask this because the law of God clearly prohibits an innocent man dying for the guilty:

Ez 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die: the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Dan58 gave you the correct meaning of that Ezek.18:20 passage. You are misinterpreting it.

It means each person is responsible to God for their sins. A son does not inherit his parent's sin, and visa versa.

Jesus Christ is... God, i.e, God The Son, Immanuel (God with us), which is how He could come in the flesh, have no sin, die upon the cross becoming our Passover Lamb of sacrifice, and able to forgive sins, and be The Savior. That is why all... peoples MUST go through Him only, and none other, to be saved, as written.