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Yes you are right , those who love anything more then God become like the idol they make as well.
Romans 1:18-32New International Version (NIV)[h=3]God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity[/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. [SUP]25 [/SUP]They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. [SUP]27 [/SUP]In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. [SUP]29 [/SUP]They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, [SUP]30 [/SUP]slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; [SUP]31 [/SUP]they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Psalm 115:3-8New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Our God is in heaven;
he does whatever pleases him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But their idols are silver and gold,
made by human hands.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
Romans 1:18-32New International Version (NIV)[h=3]God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity[/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. [SUP]25 [/SUP]They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. [SUP]27 [/SUP]In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. [SUP]29 [/SUP]They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, [SUP]30 [/SUP]slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; [SUP]31 [/SUP]they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Psalm 115:3-8New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Our God is in heaven;
he does whatever pleases him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But their idols are silver and gold,
made by human hands.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]They have mouths, but cannot speak,
eyes, but cannot see.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]They have ears, but cannot hear,
noses, but cannot smell.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]They have hands, but cannot feel,
feet, but cannot walk,
nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Those who make them will be like them,
and so will all who trust in them.
I think your under-estimating old fogies 
. The discussion is about overcoming bad desires (sexual sin). When a person surrenders to their desire to hump anything that moves, it inevitably sends them down the wrong path. Overcoming our animal instincts is not pathetic, its a victory. Sexual gratification is a desire best realized within the bonds of matrimony. Its one of those crazy rules that God came up with, so bringing our flesh under subjection to the Spirit means that we need to control how our desires are experienced... jmo
. The discussion is about overcoming bad desires (sexual sin). When a person surrenders to their desire to hump anything that moves, it inevitably sends them down the wrong path. Overcoming our animal instincts is not pathetic, its a victory. Sexual gratification is a desire best realized within the bonds of matrimony. Its one of those crazy rules that God came up with, so bringing our flesh under subjection to the Spirit means that we need to control how our desires are experienced... jmo
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Romans 8:12-17New International Version (NIV)[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[SUP][a][/SUP] And by him we cry, “Abba,[SUP][b][/SUP] Father.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
I do not even watch TV, listen to music, because the Holy Spirit creates within me the music and I sing to the Lord. Putting to death the flesh is easy my teachers were .
Daniel 3:16-25New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[SUP][a][/SUP] from Your Majesty’s hand. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual [SUP]20 [/SUP]and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. [SUP]21 [/SUP]So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?”
They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”
I got rid of all idols to the point that I wanted to see and become like the Lord in the fire. Bless You and sorry I am so intense, but I struggled in sexual sin once and now I am free indeed. Bless you Dan (God is my judge)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[SUP][a][/SUP] And by him we cry, “Abba,[SUP][b][/SUP] Father.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
I do not even watch TV, listen to music, because the Holy Spirit creates within me the music and I sing to the Lord. Putting to death the flesh is easy my teachers were .
Daniel 3:16-25New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[SUP][a][/SUP] from Your Majesty’s hand. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual [SUP]20 [/SUP]and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. [SUP]21 [/SUP]So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?”
They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”
I got rid of all idols to the point that I wanted to see and become like the Lord in the fire. Bless You and sorry I am so intense, but I struggled in sexual sin once and now I am free indeed. Bless you Dan (God is my judge)
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I think your under-estimating old fogies . The discussion is about overcoming bad desires (sexual sin). When a person surrenders to their desire to hump anything that moves, it inevitably sends them down the wrong path. Overcoming our animal instincts is not pathetic, its a victory. Sexual gratification is a desire best realized within the bonds of matrimony. Its one of those crazy rules that God came up with, so bringing our flesh under subjection to the Spirit means that we need to control how our desires are experienced... jmo
. The discussion is about overcoming bad desires (sexual sin). When a person surrenders to their desire to hump anything that moves, it inevitably sends them down the wrong path. Overcoming our animal instincts is not pathetic, its a victory. Sexual gratification is a desire best realized within the bonds of matrimony. Its one of those crazy rules that God came up with, so bringing our flesh under subjection to the Spirit means that we need to control how our desires are experienced... jmo
So you don’t think premarital sex is a sin? Of course it’s not a sin against others but it is a sin against God and themselves. However that doesn’t mean it doesn’t affect the spouse. Of course it does.
I do agree that premarital sex is done without a vow and maybe if you look at it that way, it’s not cheating. But it is cheating the couple out of many experiences. The more partners a person has, the more likely their marriage won’t last.
I’ve heard sex being compared to a piece of tape. If you stick that tape onto someone’s skin, it’s more likely to stay put. But if you keep sticking it onto other people’s skin it won’t stay put anymore because the adhesive is gone.
As a virgin myself, I wouldn’t know what it’s like but when you grow up with those analogies, it’s only natural to think of premarital sex as cheating. Despite what everyone else has said on here, I still think it is. You are right, it’s not cheating formally because there is no vow, but I think it’s cheating the relationship out of beautiful things that only two virgins could experience together.
I’m abstaining from sex because I know that it’s what God wants. I know that He knows everything about me and the world. He knows us all better than we know ourselves. So I trust Him and His word and I’ve chosen to wait because that’s what He wants us to do. And yes, I am waiting in case I do get married. I know I might not get married, God doesn’t owe me anything at all. But in case I do I can tell him that I’ve never been with anyone else but him. Even if he’s been with 30 plus women as long as he’s given himself over to Christ, I would be okay with that. I would probably hurt a bit but if he’s repents, it’s okay. It’s normal to sin.
We don’t impose this type of burden on other things because there’s a big difference with lying and with sex. The Bible says that when two people do the deed, they become one. That doesn’t happen with lying.
I never said anything about penalties. So I don’t know where you’re getting that. I know I am not God. I was just stating my opinion on here. Also, I don’t appreciate being called names like presumptuous. If you don’t agree with what I say or if I say something that is inaccurate, you can call me out on it if you’d like but don’t call me names. I struggle with a low self-esteem and suicidal thoughts and name calling leads to severe depression for me. I would actually really appreciate it if you didn’t call me names, please. Thanks.
You also say that you wouldn’t be hurt if your future spouse has been with other women, that’s great of you! That’s probably because you are stronger emotionally. I know I’m not. Unfortunately not all of us are the same. I personally would be hurt. Like I said earlier, sex makes people one. I would be sad to learn that my husband has become one with other women, especially when I know that God didn’t want it that way. I know I probably won’t marry a virgin, and that’s fine but I do pray for God to heal me emotionally and for me to be able to accept him in whichever way he comes. Or even if he doesn’t come. haha
Oh and here are some links and verses that support what I said about becoming one and premarital sex more likely to end in divorce.
I want to point out that I apologize if I have offended anyone on here that has had premarital and is maybe married now or struggling with it still. I’m sorry, really I am. I truly believe that when someone comes to Christ, their sins are washed away and they are made into another person because of the one that lives within them. Please don’t take what I said, personally. I was mostly talking about non-Christians.
1 Corinthians 6:15-17
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you know know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, "The two will become one flesh." But he who is joined to the Lord become one spirit with them.
Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
Exodus 22:16-17
If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins.
The Neglected Heart: The Emotional Dangers of Premature Sexual Involvement
New Study Claims People Who've Had More Sexual Partners Report Unhappier Marriages
Sex and Divorce: What’s the Connection? | Family Studies
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I do agree that premarital sex is done without a vow and maybe if you look at it that way, it’s not cheating. But it is cheating the couple out of many experiences. The more partners a person has, the more likely their marriage won’t last.
I’ve heard sex being compared to a piece of tape. If you stick that tape onto someone’s skin, it’s more likely to stay put. But if you keep sticking it onto other people’s skin it won’t stay put anymore because the adhesive is gone.
As a virgin myself, I wouldn’t know what it’s like but when you grow up with those analogies, it’s only natural to think of premarital sex as cheating. Despite what everyone else has said on here, I still think it is. You are right, it’s not cheating formally because there is no vow, but I think it’s cheating the relationship out of beautiful things that only two virgins could experience together.
I’m abstaining from sex because I know that it’s what God wants. I know that He knows everything about me and the world. He knows us all better than we know ourselves. So I trust Him and His word and I’ve chosen to wait because that’s what He wants us to do. And yes, I am waiting in case I do get married. I know I might not get married, God doesn’t owe me anything at all. But in case I do I can tell him that I’ve never been with anyone else but him. Even if he’s been with 30 plus women as long as he’s given himself over to Christ, I would be okay with that. I would probably hurt a bit but if he’s repents, it’s okay. It’s normal to sin.
We don’t impose this type of burden on other things because there’s a big difference with lying and with sex. The Bible says that when two people do the deed, they become one. That doesn’t happen with lying.
I never said anything about penalties. So I don’t know where you’re getting that. I know I am not God. I was just stating my opinion on here. Also, I don’t appreciate being called names like presumptuous. If you don’t agree with what I say or if I say something that is inaccurate, you can call me out on it if you’d like but don’t call me names. I struggle with a low self-esteem and suicidal thoughts and name calling leads to severe depression for me. I would actually really appreciate it if you didn’t call me names, please. Thanks.
You also say that you wouldn’t be hurt if your future spouse has been with other women, that’s great of you! That’s probably because you are stronger emotionally. I know I’m not. Unfortunately not all of us are the same. I personally would be hurt. Like I said earlier, sex makes people one. I would be sad to learn that my husband has become one with other women, especially when I know that God didn’t want it that way. I know I probably won’t marry a virgin, and that’s fine but I do pray for God to heal me emotionally and for me to be able to accept him in whichever way he comes. Or even if he doesn’t come. haha
Oh and here are some links and verses that support what I said about becoming one and premarital sex more likely to end in divorce.
I want to point out that I apologize if I have offended anyone on here that has had premarital and is maybe married now or struggling with it still. I’m sorry, really I am. I truly believe that when someone comes to Christ, their sins are washed away and they are made into another person because of the one that lives within them. Please don’t take what I said, personally. I was mostly talking about non-Christians.
1 Corinthians 6:15-17
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Or do you know know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, "The two will become one flesh." But he who is joined to the Lord become one spirit with them.
Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
Exodus 22:16-17
If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins.
The Neglected Heart: The Emotional Dangers of Premature Sexual Involvement
New Study Claims People Who've Had More Sexual Partners Report Unhappier Marriages
Sex and Divorce: What’s the Connection? | Family Studies
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28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
KJV
It would appear that from God's perspective, there is NO SUCH THING as pre-marital sex; since, in His eyes, the sex act with a virgin in itself consummates a marriage.
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I definitely think that when it comes to sexual sin, there is such a huge defense mecanism. Especially when it comes to fornication. It makes it hard to date anyone nowadays. I'm a single mother and yes, we have all sinned in the past, but when I tell people I want to wait until I'm married until I have sex I get all sorts of ridicule, even from Christians. I've gotten "Isn't it too late to say that since you have a kid?" No! Jesus washed away my sins, it happened and now I want to live a life pure and clean before Him. I've gotten, "God understands" God understands sin allright. I've also gotten, "No one is perfect" No, no one is perfect but why do I want to outright sin before God over and over when I'm fully aware of what I'm doing? How is that helping my relationship with Him? I'm downright tired of all of this mess. I don't understand why sex has become such a thing. All sin is equal in God's eyes except for the unpardonable. So if I murdered someone, or lied, I'm looked down on. But somehow if I commit fornication it's okay??? I just don't understand why the need to pull apart the Word of God and pick and chose what's most convenient. I feel so alone at times for standing for that. I haven't met many people who feel the same and actually strive to abstain. I've met people who know it's wrong, don't care, and do it anyway. Makes heaven look so nice right now.
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I definitely think that when it comes to sexual sin, there is such a huge defense mecanism. Especially when it comes to fornication. It makes it hard to date anyone nowadays. I'm a single mother and yes, we have all sinned in the past, but when I tell people I want to wait until I'm married until I have sex I get all sorts of ridicule, even from Christians. I've gotten "Isn't it too late to say that since you have a kid?" No! Jesus washed away my sins, it happened and now I want to live a life pure and clean before Him. I've gotten, "God understands" God understands sin allright. I've also gotten, "No one is perfect" No, no one is perfect but why do I want to outright sin before God over and over when I'm fully aware of what I'm doing? How is that helping my relationship with Him? I'm downright tired of all of this mess. I don't understand why sex has become such a thing. All sin is equal in God's eyes except for the unpardonable. So if I murdered someone, or lied, I'm looked down on. But somehow if I commit fornication it's okay??? I just don't understand why the need to pull apart the Word of God and pick and chose what's most convenient. I feel so alone at times for standing for that. I haven't met many people who feel the same and actually strive to abstain. I've met people who know it's wrong, don't care, and do it anyway. Makes heaven look so nice right now.