Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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``A MAN MADE DOCTRINE ARE ALWAYS BASE ON OPINION OF HUMAN MINDS AND NOT IN THE WRITTEN WORDS OF GOD``
Luke: 21. 13. And it shall happen unto you for a testimony.
14. Lay it up therefore into your hearts, not to meditate before how you shall answer: 15. For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to resist and gainsay.
16. And you shall be betrayed by your parents and brethren, and kinsmen and friends; and some of you they will put to death.
17. And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake.
18. But a hair of your head shall not perish.
19. In your patience you shall possess your souls.
20. And when you shall see Jerusalem compassed about with an army; then know that the desolation thereof is at hand.
21. Then let those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains; and those who are in the midst thereof, depart out: and those who are in the countries, not enter into it.
22. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things may be fulfilled, that are written.
23. But woe to them that are with child, and give suck in those days; for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword; and shall be led away captives into all nations; and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles; till the times of the nations be fulfilled.
25. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, by reason of the confusion of the roaring of the sea and of the waves;
26. Men withering away for fear, and expectation of what shall come upon the whole world. For the powers of heaven shall be moved;
:now: we have a best example of nations specifically written in the scriptures
TO GAVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT WILL HAPPEN
WITHOUT THE DISTURBANCED OF OUR OWN THINKING
isn't it nice my brethrens :smoke: and my fellows :happy:
my sisters and my brothers `∞`

:smoke: THOSE WHO BELIEVES ON EVERLASTING REIGN OF GOD WHO IS GOOD AND DOESNT LIE AND TO HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WHO IS OUR SAVIOUR
WHEN THE TIME COMES . ...
BUT DENIES THEIR WORDS WERE SIMPLY A FAILURE OF THOSE PEOPLE FROM THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING :whistle:
Revelation: 1. 1. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to make known to his servants the things which must shortly come to pass: and signified, sending by his angel to his servant John,
2. Who hath given testimony to the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, what things soever he hath seen.

*Remember always that no one shall have any understanding to all of this
IF THIS WERE NOT ALL WRITTEN FROM THE START
Revelation: 22. 18. For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.
20. He that giveth testimony of these things, saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

God bless us all

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Matt.16:19”And behold I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you lose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” If you are binding the enemy in prayer in the name of Jesus, Yes. Remember Isaiah 55:11, “So shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it shall not return unto me void, But it shall accomplish what I please and prosper in the thing for which I sent it. Remember the power of your words… Proverbs 18:21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit. Luke 10:18-19 and I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Mark16:17 -18 " And these signs shall follow those who believe: In my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents ;and if anyone drinks anything deadly it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover"...The devil is under our feet , we have authority over him. Lastly "1John :4-5"For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
Shalom and bless you
 
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Matt.16:19”And behold I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you lose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” If you are binding the enemy in prayer in the name of Jesus, Yes. Remember Isaiah 55:11, “So shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it shall not return unto me void, But it shall accomplish what I please and prosper in the thing for which I sent it. Remember the power of your words… Proverbs 18:21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit. Luke 10:18-19 and I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Mark16:17 -18 " And these signs shall follow those who believe: In my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents ;and if anyone drinks anything deadly it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover"...The devil is under our feet , we have authority over him. Lastly "1John :4-5"For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
Shalom and bless you
BINGO THIS IS THE REAL DEAL. THANKS FRIEND
 
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Corinthians 10:5 (AKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Philippians 4:8 (AKJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Isaiah 26:3-4 (AKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
because he trusteth in thee.
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Trust ye in the Lord for ever:
for in the Lord JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:


Your focus is a strong tool to destroy the devil!

1 John 5:4-5 (AKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 

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VCO,

Now I am beginning to see your major PROBLEM, you are hung up on LABELS, and keep trying PIN THEM LABELS ON PEOPLE WHERE THEY DO NOT FIT. You have tried to pin several on me, and THEY DO NOT FIT. MacArthur is NOT a Calvinist, like me, he only believes in 3 of the 5 points of Calvinism. THUS we are by rejected by both sides of that Argument.
Protestantism is a quagmire of religions. This is why it is getting so difficult to discuss anything because even among sola scripturist there are so many variations that the safest thing would be to lable it by the person espousing it because it probably is his own version. In your case the safe bet is VCOism.

One point or three, none of the points of Calvinism is scriptural. They are all fabrications and quite systematic within itself but not with scripture.

I did a LOT of Church hopping in my younger years, thus I a familiar with the Doctrinal Statements of Faith of SEVERAL Denominations, and THEY ALL BELIEVE WHOLE HEARTEDLY WITH THE DOCTRINE of the HOLY TRINITY.
Then you should make a point of stating you accept the edition of the Original Church and not the RCC version. Four denominations that all use the Apostles Creed which does not show the change, however, they all have the Nicene Creed written in their Psalters and it is the RRC one with the filioque clause inserted.

YOur language regarding salvation is not accurate either. There is a difference, though most Protestants again conflate them and speak ONLY regarding attaining eternal life. Salvation is what Christ did for mankind and the world. Saved us from death and sin. Attaining eternal life is all about our relationship with God and there is no such thing as finite "eternal life" in this life. It is an ever progressing journey and man can leave at any time.
 

Cassian

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VCO,

You would do well to study Messianic Christianity. You will find that it was the KJV so-called Translators that ABANDONED the original Greek meanings of several words. In fact in the Foreward 1611 KJV the Translators, admitted that they were NOT TRANSLATING; but rather just improving the wording of the older English Translations. THAT IS NOT A TRANSLATION, THAT IS A PARAPHRASE. It my well be a very good PARAPHRASE, but it is very far from an actual TRANSLATION OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES.
I can assure you that the Church has never had a problem with the Greek language. Revelation was first proclained by the Apostles in the Greek language. It was evetually written in the Greek language. The Greek language was exclusive to the Church until gthe late 5th century after the fall of Rome when Latin was reintroduced in Rome and the west.

When the Middle East was lost to Islam in the Middle East the area also became Arabic speaking. When Russia entered in the 9th century so was the slavic language. The rest of the Roman Empire remained Greek until the fall of Constantinople. So language has never been a problem.
 

VCO

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The devil and all his demons are in the pit of hell now, and that pit is in my soul.

Not exactly, Demonic Possession is still a VERY REAL THING, and is frequently mis-diagnosed as Multiple Personality Disorder, by Doctors who are NOT Believers. The Pit is a very real place apparently under the earth, NOR is it HELL, the Lake of FIRE is.

Proof that the Demons and the Devil are NOT THERE YET is as Follows:

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 (BBE)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] It is said, in fact, that there is among you a sin of the flesh, such as is not seen even among the Gentiles, that one of you has his father's wife.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And in place of feeling sorrow, you are pleased with yourselves, so that he who has done this thing has not been sent away from among you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I myself, being present in spirit though not in body, have come to a decision about him who has done this thing;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you have come together with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] That this man is to be handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may have forgiveness in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Timothy 1:18-20 (ESV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

NOTICE PAUL KNOWS SATAN IS NOT BOUND IN NO PIT.

James 2:19 (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

Revelation 9:20 (ASV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood; which can neither see, nor hear, nor walk:

1 Timothy 4:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,

NOT IN A PIT LOCKED UP AT ALL.

Do Christians need to worry about becoming possessed by demons or the Devil?

1 John 4:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But every spirit who does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist; you have heard that he is coming, and he is already in the world now.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] You are from God, little children, and you have conquered them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
 

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VCO,

Protestantism is a quagmire of religions. This is why it is getting so difficult to discuss anything because even among sola scripturist there are so many variations that the safest thing would be to lable it by the person espousing it because it probably is his own version. In your case the safe bet is VCOism.

One point or three, none of the points of Calvinism is scriptural. They are all fabrications and quite systematic within itself but not with scripture.

Then you should make a point of stating you accept the edition of the Original Church and not the RCC version. Four denominations that all use the Apostles Creed which does not show the change, however, they all have the Nicene Creed written in their Psalters and it is the RRC one with the filioque clause inserted.

YOur language regarding salvation is not accurate either. There is a difference, though most Protestants again conflate them and speak ONLY regarding attaining eternal life. Salvation is what Christ did for mankind and the world. Saved us from death and sin. Attaining eternal life is all about our relationship with God and there is no such thing as finite "eternal life" in this life. It is an ever progressing journey and man can leave at any time.

And Cassian's theology is as PERFECT as GOD's. Don't believe it, CASSIAN HIMSELF WILL TELL YOU IT IS SO.

Have you EVER considered the possibility that you are the one who has it all wrong.

You said: "Protestantism is a quagmire of religions"; which is true ONLY IF YOU COUNT ALL THE PSUEDO CHRISTIAN CULTS AS BEING PROTESTANTS. The Jim Jones's, the JW's, the Mormon's, the Christian Scientists, the False Prophets in all of their forms; etc. Personally we consider NONE OF THEM TO BE REAL CHRISTIANS. Genuine Christians, DO NOT TEACH a RELIGION or RELIGIONS. A Religion is a systematic way to make your righteous in the sight of GOD. WE TEACH a Personal Relationship with the LORD Jesus Christ, NOT A RELIGION.
 

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VCO,

I can assure you that the Church has never had a problem with the Greek language. Revelation was first proclained by the Apostles in the Greek language. It was evetually written in the Greek language. The Greek language was exclusive to the Church until gthe late 5th century after the fall of Rome when Latin was reintroduced in Rome and the west.

When the Middle East was lost to Islam in the Middle East the area also became Arabic speaking. When Russia entered in the 9th century so was the slavic language. The rest of the Roman Empire remained Greek until the fall of Constantinople. So language has never been a problem.

I REPEAT, "CHURCH" is NOT in the original Greek Language manuscripts. Christ is Building HIS ASSEMBLY, just like HE did throughout the entire Old Testament. Your PRIDE in your one and only true CHURCH is NOT EVEN IN THE GREEK LANGUAGE.

Leviticus 19:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: 'Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy.

Judges 20:2 (YLT)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And the chiefs of all the people, of all the tribes of Israel, station themselves in the assembly of the people of God, four hundred thousand footmen drawing sword.

1 Chronicles 29:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then David said to the whole assembly, “Praise the LORD your God.” So the whole assembly praised the LORD God of their ancestors. They bowed down and paid homage to the LORD and the king.

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;


I know, I don't play fair, I make your read what the WORD of GOD Literally says; when you would rather believe that your false teachers had it right all along.
 
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Not exactly, Demonic Possession is still a VERY REAL THING, and is frequently mis-diagnosed as Multiple Personality Disorder, by Doctors who are NOT Believers. The Pit is a very real place apparently under the earth, NOR is it HELL, the Lake of FIRE is.

Proof that the Demons and the Devil are NOT THERE YET is as Follows:

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 (BBE)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] It is said, in fact, that there is among you a sin of the flesh, such as is not seen even among the Gentiles, that one of you has his father's wife.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And in place of feeling sorrow, you are pleased with yourselves, so that he who has done this thing has not been sent away from among you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For I myself, being present in spirit though not in body, have come to a decision about him who has done this thing;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you have come together with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] That this man is to be handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may have forgiveness in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Timothy 1:18-20 (ESV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

NOTICE PAUL KNOWS SATAN IS NOT BOUND IN NO PIT.

James 2:19 (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

Revelation 9:20 (ASV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And the rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and the idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood; which can neither see, nor hear, nor walk:

1 Timothy 4:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,

NOT IN A PIT LOCKED UP AT ALL.

Do Christians need to worry about becoming possessed by demons or the Devil?

1 John 4:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But every spirit who does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist; you have heard that he is coming, and he is already in the world now.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] You are from God, little children, and you have conquered them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

Not one of these passages denies that Satan is bound...
 

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BINGO THIS IS THE REAL DEAL. THANKS FRIEND
Popeye, do a little research into what Messianic Jews will tell you about the "BINDING" we are commanded to do on earth. You will find it has to do with Church Discipline, in that we are to bind the sins of an unrepentant sinner to him or her, having nothing to do with them, until they are ashamed and genuinely repent. THEN we are to Loose them from their sins. It pictures the OPPOSITE of binding the LAW to their forearms and forehead, as the Orthodox Jews do.

https://www.gty.org/resources/print/bible-qna/BQ121912
 
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Popeye, do a little research into what Messianic Jews will tell you about the "BINDING" we are commanded to do on earth. You will find it has to do with Church Discipline, in that we are to bind the sins of an unrepentant sinner to him or her, having nothing to do with them, until they are ashamed and genuinely repent. THEN we are to Loose them from their sins. It pictures the OPPOSITE of binding the LAW to their forearms and forehead, as the Orthodox Jews do.

https://www.gty.org/resources/print/bible-qna/BQ121912
Here is a parallel verse to the one that talks about whatever you bind, that should make it perfectly CLEAR:

John 20:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."
 
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None are so blind as those who will not see.
I have shown you numerous passages which clearly state that Satan was bound at The Cross.

You deny these passages, call Jesus a liar, and then give unwarranted power to Satan.

You are a mess...
 

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And Cassian's theology is as PERFECT as GOD's. Don't believe it, CASSIAN HIMSELF WILL TELL YOU IT IS SO.

Have you EVER considered the possibility that you are the one who has it all wrong.

You said: "Protestantism is a quagmire of religions"; which is true ONLY IF YOU COUNT ALL THE PSUEDO CHRISTIAN CULTS AS BEING PROTESTANTS. The Jim Jones's, the JW's, the Mormon's, the Christian Scientists, the False Prophets in all of their forms; etc. Personally we consider NONE OF THEM TO BE REAL CHRISTIANS. Genuine Christians, DO NOT TEACH a RELIGION or RELIGIONS. A Religion is a systematic way to make your righteous in the sight of GOD. WE TEACH a Personal Relationship with the LORD Jesus Christ, NOT A RELIGION.
All you have is rhetoric with no evidence. You make assertions but no evidence to give them validity. What you call pseudo Christians cults and genuine Christians are all from the same mold. Everyone uses scripture, claims it is their sole source of faith and practice, yet this Book has birthed thousands of versions of some kind of Christian theology. It is all humanistic, all created by individual men who use scripture simply as a source book for ideas. To claim that some are better than others is only a matter of personal choice. Usually it means it measures closer to the persons interpretation.

Have I ever thought that I could be wrong. Yes, that happened almost 20 years ago as a Protestant. As an adult discussion leader I was confronted with this litney of relativism and personal interpretation by many in the class. What I wondered was who held that unified Gospel that Christ stated would exist as He is one with the Father. I wondered where was the Church that He founded if it was supposed to exist until the end of time. I went searching for the Truth that He stated will exist until the end. I knew, at the time, I did not have or know it.

It is actually not very difficult to find when one actually does as the Bereans. To make a long story short, that is why I became Orthodox. The Church has existed from the beginning, has never failed, disappeared and has a consistent historical record. From the Revelation side it was also true. What the Church believed in the beginning is still held today by the Orthodox, unchanged. Again, history shows that the Holy Spirit has done precisely what is stated in scripture and will continue to guard and preserve His Church and the Revelation entrusted to it.

What is also becoming, unfortunately true, the RCC has been sliding down the road to modern relativism faster and faster as time goes by. The slide has been far slower than that of Protestantism/sola scripturists but it is still sliding the wrong way.
 

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I REPEAT, "CHURCH" is NOT in the original Greek Language manuscripts. Christ is Building HIS ASSEMBLY, just like HE did throughout the entire Old Testament. Your PRIDE in your one and only true CHURCH is NOT EVEN IN THE GREEK LANGUAGE.

Leviticus 19:2 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] "Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: 'Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy.

Judges 20:2 (YLT)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And the chiefs of all the people, of all the tribes of Israel, station themselves in the assembly of the people of God, four hundred thousand footmen drawing sword.

1 Chronicles 29:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then David said to the whole assembly, “Praise the LORD your God.” So the whole assembly praised the LORD God of their ancestors. They bowed down and paid homage to the LORD and the king.

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;


I know, I don't play fair, I make your read what the WORD of GOD Literally says; when you would rather believe that your false teachers had it right all along.
You are assuming that not a single Greek ever understood Greek like you do. You doubt the Holy Spirit, actually you are claiming that the Holy Spirit got it all wrong. The word "assembly" does not help your definition. You are stating the Apostles got it all wrong because they did not know Greek very well. They got it all wrong since they established real Churches/Assemblies in this world, an organic, ontological extension of His Incarnation. Christ did not leave us a Book, but His Body, His Church/assembly here on earth. He is calling people out of this world into His Body, assembly here in this world, not some mythological/philosophical concept.

The Holy Spirit is preserving Christ's Body here on earth as well as the revelation that was entrusted to it, not some mythical/philosophical concept derived by man from a Book called the Bible. The Bible/scripture was generated by those men you are calling false teachers. One wonders why you would even accept the Bible since it was generated by apostates and false teachers. Although I have heard some Protestants imply that the Bible was actually written by God and then literally dropped to earth and Luther found it.
 

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I have shown you numerous passages which clearly state that Satan was bound at The Cross.

You deny these passages, call Jesus a liar, and then give unwarranted power to Satan.

You are a mess...
Wrong, NOT ONE OF THEM USED THE WORD BOUND.

I quoted to you what the Scriptures actually say, and YOU rejected it.
 

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You are assuming that not a single Greek ever understood Greek like you do. You doubt the Holy Spirit, actually you are claiming that the Holy Spirit got it all wrong. The word "assembly" does not help your definition. You are stating the Apostles got it all wrong because they did not know Greek very well. They got it all wrong since they established real Churches/Assemblies in this world, an organic, ontological extension of His Incarnation. Christ did not leave us a Book, but His Body, His Church/assembly here on earth. He is calling people out of this world into His Body, assembly here in this world, not some mythological/philosophical concept.

The Holy Spirit is preserving Christ's Body here on earth as well as the revelation that was entrusted to it, not some mythical/philosophical concept derived by man from a Book called the Bible. The Bible/scripture was generated by those men you are calling false teachers. One wonders why you would even accept the Bible since it was generated by apostates and false teachers. Although I have heard some Protestants imply that the Bible was actually written by God and then literally dropped to earth and Luther found it.
LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF, the Greek definition is: ASSEMBLY, RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION

It is the sum total of all who Believed Messiah WOULD COME and on our case Believed Messiah DID COME.

Your Pride in your only true CHURCH is unfounded, you can stop patting yourself on the back now.