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God is Truth [ first and foremost ].
Love comes from God, Who is [ all ] Truth.
God is Love because He is [ first and foremost ] Truth.
Love comes from God, Who is [ all ] Truth.
God is Love because He is [ first and foremost ] Truth.
That is a two fold question: Confession (which must be accompanied by sincere repentance) and indulgences. Confession to a priest is very personal, and it's for Catholics. God is always anxious to forgive, and He will accept our prayers when restitution is impossible. You can go straight to God for forgiveness, that's fine. Minor sins in thought, word, and deed may not completely separate us from God, but we believe serious sins need to be confessed. Confession of sins to a priest is in the Bible, your problem is that you (unbiblically) don't have priests.
You can't buy loved ones graduation from purgatory, that is a myth.
Mass cards are sent to people to inform them that a Mass will be said for their intentions (prayer concerns).If a Mass is being celebrated for a specific individual--either for the intentions of a living person or for the repose of the soul of a person who has died--it is often announced at the beginning of the Mass or at another suitable point.
There is no such thing as a dead saint, that is a Protestant invention and its not in the bible.
There is a biblical basis for intercession and the practice was in the Church from the very beginning. It was jettisoned out of human reformist opinion in the 16th century.
Really? You go to Jesus with your pastor, with the person who gave you your first bible, with your faith community, what your parents may have taught you, but to Jesus ALONE? Nobody goes to Jesus alone. The list I just gave you are all subordinate mediators. Why you think they compete with Jesus as the sole mediator is just nonsense.
<sigh> you can't see anything unless you want to see it. "False anti-biblical doctrines" is a hostile insult and it is not based on reality, but on limited knowledge and prejudice. That attitude tells me you don't want answers. I hope I am wrong.
What is the Sacrament of Confession | Catholics Come Home
[video=youtube;Wz5-vu6A58E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz5-vu6A58E[/video]
Praying to the Saints
Myths About Indulgences
You listed at least 4 topics which cannot be properly answered in one post. Please be fair and present one objection at a time. If you really want good answers, click on the links.
You can't buy loved ones graduation from purgatory, that is a myth.
Mass cards are sent to people to inform them that a Mass will be said for their intentions (prayer concerns).If a Mass is being celebrated for a specific individual--either for the intentions of a living person or for the repose of the soul of a person who has died--it is often announced at the beginning of the Mass or at another suitable point.
There is no such thing as a dead saint, that is a Protestant invention and its not in the bible.
There is a biblical basis for intercession and the practice was in the Church from the very beginning. It was jettisoned out of human reformist opinion in the 16th century.
Really? You go to Jesus with your pastor, with the person who gave you your first bible, with your faith community, what your parents may have taught you, but to Jesus ALONE? Nobody goes to Jesus alone. The list I just gave you are all subordinate mediators. Why you think they compete with Jesus as the sole mediator is just nonsense.
<sigh> you can't see anything unless you want to see it. "False anti-biblical doctrines" is a hostile insult and it is not based on reality, but on limited knowledge and prejudice. That attitude tells me you don't want answers. I hope I am wrong.
What is the Sacrament of Confession | Catholics Come Home
[video=youtube;Wz5-vu6A58E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz5-vu6A58E[/video]
Praying to the Saints
Myths About Indulgences
You listed at least 4 topics which cannot be properly answered in one post. Please be fair and present one objection at a time. If you really want good answers, click on the links.
Please note. I haven't bashed Catholics.
That said, I suspect you won't be around on here come Reformation Day. (Humor on the reference.
) Why? Because you bash most of the time. That, and you're obviously knowledgeable on how this forum works, so you've been banned before. Leopards and spots.
That said, I suspect you won't be around on here come Reformation Day. (Humor on the reference.
Sir, you are not Mary, who I was addressing. I will not have a dialogue with you. It's crystal clear you are set in your dogma, but I do thank you for confirming everything I said, merely saying it in a slightly different way. Most here did not go to catholic school or catholic mass, as I did during their youth, and it is great that they see the perilous danger of those who CAN be plucked away, who are not completely immersed and entangled in this synagogue of satan.
Here is a lady asking ASKACATHOLIC a very reasonable question about mass cards: Prepare yourselves my dear brothers and sisters in Christ. The answer given is incredibly disturbing, but WE MUST know what these people believe so that this nonsense of thinking catholicism is just another Christian denomination is terribly wrong. Yes, I'm sure, like PoetMary here, there may be catholics who are saved through trusting in Jesus ALONE, the VAST majority of catholics don't believe that.
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[TD="class: Question, width: 98%"]Hi, guys —
My mom passed away earlier this month a we received many Mass cards.
Thank you for your time.
Debbie
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[TD="class: Answer, width: 98%"]Hi, Debbie —
Good question!
I have to give some background before I answer your question.
None of us in the Church Militant, here on earth, know:
They pray for us and we can ask for their help down here on our spiritual journey.
There are also many, many, many, many, many, many, many other people who lived holy lives that are also in Heaven.
We have to distinguish, though, between a moral certainty and an absolute certainty of a previous family member or acquaintance being in Heaven.
The Faithful in the Church have an absolute certainty that those people that the Church has declared, "Servants of God" are in Heaven. (They are saints.)
We can only have a moral certainty that your mother, and my father, for that matter, are in Heaven.
Why? Because we witnessed the character of their lives, the sacrifices they made for us, their kindness, etc. Nevertheless, they could have died with some unrepentant venial sin or an attachment to sin where the appropriate penance had not been performed by them.
From the Catechism, under indulgences it says:
The purpose of Mass cards is to have Masses said for a departed loved one, who we have a moral certitude of the saintliness, but not an absolute certitude.
Your question reminds me of when the color of the funeral vestments for priests changed after Vatican II.
Before Vatican II, the Church generally used the color purple to represent a Lenten tone; one where we were encouraged to pray and do sacrifices for our faithful departed for the reasons I have mentioned above. Purple vestments were worn by the priests at all funeral Masses beforeVatican II.
After Vatican II, to stress the hope that the congregation had of their faithful departed being resurrected, the Church generally changed the color to White.
One important side note: the purification process OR Purgatory has NOTHING to do with ones salvation. These are two completely separate issues. Purgatory ONLY has to do with ones holiness!!
If they, in reality, have no need for the Mass cards that are being offered for them, because they ARE objectively in Heaven and COMPLETELY PURIFIED, the Charity of God would reason that the graces from those Masses would be applied to other family members and their ancestors within the family who have passed away with remaining self-love; or other families with family members in similar situations.
Hope this helps,
Mike
P.S. We have an anniversary Mass for my father every May 28th.
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[TD="class: Question, width: 98%"]Hi, guys —
My mom passed away earlier this month a we received many Mass cards.
- What is the purpose of a Mass card?
- What are they praying for?
- If she is in Heaven, why would she need our prayers? I don't get it.
- Can our prayers now, here on earth, affect someone who has entered eternity?
Thank you for your time.
Debbie
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[TD="class: Answer, width: 98%"]Hi, Debbie —
Good question!
I have to give some background before I answer your question.
None of us in the Church Militant, here on earth, know:
- who is in Heaven, with exceptions, or
- who is in Hell
They pray for us and we can ask for their help down here on our spiritual journey.
There are also many, many, many, many, many, many, many other people who lived holy lives that are also in Heaven.
We have to distinguish, though, between a moral certainty and an absolute certainty of a previous family member or acquaintance being in Heaven.
The Faithful in the Church have an absolute certainty that those people that the Church has declared, "Servants of God" are in Heaven. (They are saints.)
We can only have a moral certainty that your mother, and my father, for that matter, are in Heaven.
Why? Because we witnessed the character of their lives, the sacrifices they made for us, their kindness, etc. Nevertheless, they could have died with some unrepentant venial sin or an attachment to sin where the appropriate penance had not been performed by them.
- Could your mother or my father have died with no remaining self-love on their soul and gone straight to Heaven? Sure!
- Is it probably? Not likely, because of our human nature.
From the Catechism, under indulgences it says:
1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the "eternal punishment" of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory.
This purification frees one from what is called the "temporal punishment" of sin.These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84
To your question:This purification frees one from what is called the "temporal punishment" of sin.These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.84
The purpose of Mass cards is to have Masses said for a departed loved one, who we have a moral certitude of the saintliness, but not an absolute certitude.
Your question reminds me of when the color of the funeral vestments for priests changed after Vatican II.
Before Vatican II, the Church generally used the color purple to represent a Lenten tone; one where we were encouraged to pray and do sacrifices for our faithful departed for the reasons I have mentioned above. Purple vestments were worn by the priests at all funeral Masses beforeVatican II.
After Vatican II, to stress the hope that the congregation had of their faithful departed being resurrected, the Church generally changed the color to White.
A unintended impression that could have been given to the faithful, was that there was no need to pray for their departed loved ones.
This is sad, because, though my dad and your mom may have been very holy people, they may have died with some remaining self love.
No one is saying either my dad nor your mom is in hell; they are just being purified of any remaining self-love in THE Spiritual Hospital in the Church we call: Purgatory.
The purpose of Mass cards is to offer our prayers and good works for their COMPLETE purification. (Revelation 21:27 - Nothing unclean will be allowed to enter into heaven.)This is sad, because, though my dad and your mom may have been very holy people, they may have died with some remaining self love.
No one is saying either my dad nor your mom is in hell; they are just being purified of any remaining self-love in THE Spiritual Hospital in the Church we call: Purgatory.
One important side note: the purification process OR Purgatory has NOTHING to do with ones salvation. These are two completely separate issues. Purgatory ONLY has to do with ones holiness!!
If they, in reality, have no need for the Mass cards that are being offered for them, because they ARE objectively in Heaven and COMPLETELY PURIFIED, the Charity of God would reason that the graces from those Masses would be applied to other family members and their ancestors within the family who have passed away with remaining self-love; or other families with family members in similar situations.
Hope this helps,
Mike
P.S. We have an anniversary Mass for my father every May 28th.
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NEVER forget Brothers and sisters they MUST BUY these mass cards to say masses in their loved ones names to help get them out of purgatory.
So as our Lord and Savior, praying to the point of sweating blood to His Father, in Gethsemane, that if there was ANY other way to save people, to take this cup from Him. Yet He acknowledged not His will be done but His Father's.
We know what His Father's answer was.
So how offensive and obscene to think that MONEY could replace the blood of Jesus!
So as our Lord and Savior, praying to the point of sweating blood to His Father, in Gethsemane, that if there was ANY other way to save people, to take this cup from Him. Yet He acknowledged not His will be done but His Father's.
We know what His Father's answer was.
So how offensive and obscene to think that MONEY could replace the blood of Jesus!
My 10 questions:
I watched the video on the sacrament of penance(man made terminology).
The narrator uses verses such as 1 Cor 12:12 out of context.
1 Corinthians 12 is about unity in the church, and not about confession at all.
I wish the narrator would use actual verses pertaining to confession instead. [1 john 1:9, James 5:16]
The verses in the Bible pertaining to confession do not talk about a priest at all.
All these man made concepts do not not make any difference to the average catholic, as they do not know their bibles, and believe just anything they are told.
Dear Catholics brothers and sisters,
Please point out where the Bible talks about the following:
1)We must confess our sins to a priest.
2) We must have a priest
3)The Mystical Body of Christ
4) Penance reconciles us to God and to the community
5) A priest is an intermediary of God's grace
6) A priest is a representative of the people of God
7) Mortal sins
8) have to be in communion with the community in order to receive communion otherwise you cannot receive communion
9) not confessing hurts the mystical body of Christ
10) lesser sins need not be confessed, only the bigger ones must be confessed
All the above concepts are talked about in the video.
I would like to believe that all this is true.
I request you defend your faith, in love, and not by getting angry and personal,
I watched the video on the sacrament of penance(man made terminology).
The narrator uses verses such as 1 Cor 12:12 out of context.
1 Corinthians 12 is about unity in the church, and not about confession at all.
I wish the narrator would use actual verses pertaining to confession instead. [1 john 1:9, James 5:16]
The verses in the Bible pertaining to confession do not talk about a priest at all.
All these man made concepts do not not make any difference to the average catholic, as they do not know their bibles, and believe just anything they are told.
Dear Catholics brothers and sisters,
Please point out where the Bible talks about the following:
1)We must confess our sins to a priest.
2) We must have a priest
3)The Mystical Body of Christ
4) Penance reconciles us to God and to the community
5) A priest is an intermediary of God's grace
6) A priest is a representative of the people of God
7) Mortal sins
8) have to be in communion with the community in order to receive communion otherwise you cannot receive communion
9) not confessing hurts the mystical body of Christ
10) lesser sins need not be confessed, only the bigger ones must be confessed
All the above concepts are talked about in the video.
I would like to believe that all this is true.
I request you defend your faith, in love, and not by getting angry and personal,
G
Isaiah 54:13-17
And all the children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children. In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
Lord give me strength and words of wisdom, defending Jesus. Why I will never tolerate the Catholic faith. These are statements of truth and can be found easily in our history.
Being Canadian has a very short history. It's not an ancient country; yet it's full of diverse stories of perseverance and prosperity to man. But there's also a dark side; that I will never fully understand or condone. Jesus would never condone.
There's an island called Haida Gwaii; my cousins are half Haida and it a majestic place full of joyous people! By boat you can tour an old Haida village sights like K'uuna, just lush nature and old totems. In amongst the forest are abandoned graves, and the sad story was the Haida people had to conform to Catholicism and change their names to Catholic names, or they would not receive missionary help while ailing. The people suffered enormous loses from TB and Small Pox; 95% of their population died.
Also so within our history is the Catholic Churches established schools within Canada, and also took native children from their families. Sometimes when a child would die, the parents weren't even told so there's unmarked graves with just a number. Most children were malnourished, beaten, treated like dogs, and some repeatedly molested. Everyone knew, but no one did anything. Everyone just conceded and accepted it. Did Jesus treat children like this?? Is this the path of God? In the 1940-1950's they experimented on the native children on how malnourishment affected their learning. The Catholic church has never apologized; but called that time in history sorrowful.
Astoundingly this has also happened in the States of children being molested, and the perpetrator is not only moved to inflict more pain; but protected. It even has a Wiki Page of their corruption.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
I have children. They are the greatest gifts God has ever bestowed upon me to guard and protect. These precious defenceless souls! How could Jesus ever tie Himself to the Catholic faith; when that Catholic faith has failed repeatedly to protect those innocent children and hide those wicked people behind their robes of justice! How could a rational person given the choice to follow this faith condone those actions, and be associated and painted with the same brush?
When you come to Jesus one day and He asks you; "Why did you stay in the Catholic faith, when you had the opportunity to follow my word and go somewhere else?" I just don't want to be that person that has nothing to say. If you're going to church for God, then blessings be upon you where-ever you go; but if you are going for the people then you just may have lost your way.
I hold zero hatred for any person of Catholic faith. Maybe these will give you some thoughts? I LOVE Jesus; He stood against the immoral travesties of this world!! Jesus calls His people to have the highest standard possible!! To walk with Jesus in His glory, may He bless us all <3
1 John 5:17-21
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
And all the children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children. In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
Lord give me strength and words of wisdom, defending Jesus. Why I will never tolerate the Catholic faith. These are statements of truth and can be found easily in our history.
Being Canadian has a very short history. It's not an ancient country; yet it's full of diverse stories of perseverance and prosperity to man. But there's also a dark side; that I will never fully understand or condone. Jesus would never condone.
There's an island called Haida Gwaii; my cousins are half Haida and it a majestic place full of joyous people! By boat you can tour an old Haida village sights like K'uuna, just lush nature and old totems. In amongst the forest are abandoned graves, and the sad story was the Haida people had to conform to Catholicism and change their names to Catholic names, or they would not receive missionary help while ailing. The people suffered enormous loses from TB and Small Pox; 95% of their population died.
Also so within our history is the Catholic Churches established schools within Canada, and also took native children from their families. Sometimes when a child would die, the parents weren't even told so there's unmarked graves with just a number. Most children were malnourished, beaten, treated like dogs, and some repeatedly molested. Everyone knew, but no one did anything. Everyone just conceded and accepted it. Did Jesus treat children like this?? Is this the path of God? In the 1940-1950's they experimented on the native children on how malnourishment affected their learning. The Catholic church has never apologized; but called that time in history sorrowful.
Astoundingly this has also happened in the States of children being molested, and the perpetrator is not only moved to inflict more pain; but protected. It even has a Wiki Page of their corruption.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
I have children. They are the greatest gifts God has ever bestowed upon me to guard and protect. These precious defenceless souls! How could Jesus ever tie Himself to the Catholic faith; when that Catholic faith has failed repeatedly to protect those innocent children and hide those wicked people behind their robes of justice! How could a rational person given the choice to follow this faith condone those actions, and be associated and painted with the same brush?
When you come to Jesus one day and He asks you; "Why did you stay in the Catholic faith, when you had the opportunity to follow my word and go somewhere else?" I just don't want to be that person that has nothing to say. If you're going to church for God, then blessings be upon you where-ever you go; but if you are going for the people then you just may have lost your way.
I hold zero hatred for any person of Catholic faith. Maybe these will give you some thoughts? I LOVE Jesus; He stood against the immoral travesties of this world!! Jesus calls His people to have the highest standard possible!! To walk with Jesus in His glory, may He bless us all <3
1 John 5:17-21
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Not at all condoning what greedy Christian preachers have done, and some continue to do, but surely you can see a difference with people giving money to someone who they think is going to do the Lord's work through ministries and spreading the Gospel, with people giving money to SAVE or lessen time for loved ones sins committed in Purgatory?
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