U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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Dude653

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Mitspa said:
She was released because they could not hold her and could not fire her.... and its clear she was not going to approve any perversion called gay marriage ...they had to change the rules...she did not change
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A judge has the authority to hold you in jail indefinitely for contempt if you do not comply with his orders
 
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A judge has the authority to hold you in jail indefinitely for contempt if you do not comply with his orders
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No ...no judge has the power to hold any citizen.."indefinitely" for contempt ..that's silly... but the judge blinked and the woman held her ground and yet holds her ground :) Now she is a national hero
 
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No ...no judge has the power to hold any citizen.."indefinitely" for contempt ..that's silly... but the judge blinked and the woman held her ground and yet holds her ground :) Now she is a national hero
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There was a gay marriage in the same court house 2 days ago.
 
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Since we are outlawing everything the Bible says is a sin then we have to outlaw lying, drunkenness, fornication, gossiping, gluttony, weceven have to outlaw impure thoughts. Impure thoughts would be on the honor system. You have to go to the police station and turn yourself in for having impure thoughts.
 
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There was a gay marriage in the same court house 2 days ago.
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Yep...so? She didn't have any part in it ..did she? Probably someone murdered a baby in a abortion clinic down the road ..that's not her fault either.
 
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Since we are outlawing everything the Bible says is a sin then we have to outlaw lying, drunkenness, fornication, gossiping, gluttony, weceven have to outlaw impure thoughts. Impure thoughts would be on the honor system. You have to go to the police station and turn yourself in for having impure thoughts.
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Many of those things are outlawed in that they do harm to the society. Do we approve or promote these sins and give them the title of civil rights? Do drunks deserve a special right to be drunk wherever they choose? do fornicators get a special right ? No

A Christian has every right to shape their own society according to the moral precepts they hold...its call a constitutional Republic ...
 
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So? I suppose you approve of it because 'it is the law'?
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Dude653 said:
Since we are outlawing everything the Bible says is a sin then we have to outlaw lying, drunkenness, fornication, gossiping, gluttony, we even have to outlaw impure thoughts. Impure thoughts would be on the honor system. You have to go to the police station and turn yourself in for having impure thoughts.
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and you approve of those too?
 
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and you approve of those too?
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I don't think the whole good and evil thing matters much to some folks who call themselves Christians? Any excuse to promote wickedness and outlaw righteousness is fine with them.
 
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I don't think the whole good and evil thing matters much to some folks who call themselves Christians? Any excuse to promote wickedness and outlaw righteousness is fine with them.
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I see a lot of rhetoric and opinion on how we are supposed to impose our Christian beliefs on others but I have yet to see any biblical references on the subject.. my approval or disapproval is irrelevant. Just because I disapprove of something that does not mean I'm obligated to stop someone else from doing it. For some reason people think only Christians have rights in this country
 
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Dude653 said:
I see a lot of rhetoric and opinion on how we are supposed to impose are Christian beliefs on others but I have yet to see any biblical references on the subject
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And at the same time, I see people condemn this woman for standing on God's word, who put mans laws above Gods, supporting the secular world on forcing His followers to keep their mouths shut and not do what the Lord says.

God says He will bless those who are persecuted in His name.
 
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The Bible says homosexuality is a sin so if you don't like homosexuality then don't be gay. We are not biblically instructed to stop anyone else from doing so. What we are biblically instructed to do is to obey the law and to render unto Caesar what is his
 
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Dude653 said:
The Bible says homosexuality is a sin so if you don't like homosexuality then don't be gay. We are not biblically instructed to stop anyone else from doing so. What we are biblically instructed to do is to obey the law and to render unto Caesar what is his
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Is God not above kings? If our country ordered you to bow before an idol, would you do it?
I dont think you have scripture on your side with this "we are instructed to follow the law" argument here.

And she wasnt "stopping others from doing it", she was refusing to participate in it by signing her name, therefore making herself a part of the action. She claimed she couldnt do it due to her conscious, she did not say she had to put a stop to homosexuality.
 
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Dude653 said:
I see a lot of rhetoric and opinion on how we are supposed to impose our Christian beliefs on others but I have yet to see any biblical references on the subject.. my approval or disapproval is irrelevant. Just because I disapprove of something that does not mean I'm obligated to stop someone else from doing it. For some reason people think only Christians have rights in this country
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Yes..Christians in this nation have every right to shape their own society according to their moral principles .. That's what we are supposed to do under a constitutional republic ... what do you think? Only the wicked have the right to decide what type of society we have? That's insane logic!
 
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Is God not above kings? If our country ordered you to bow before an idol, would you do it?
I dont think you have scripture on your side with this "we are instructed to follow the law" argument here.

And she wasnt "stopping others from doing it", she was refusing to participate in it by signing her name, therefore making herself a part of the action. She claimed she couldnt do it due to her conscious, she did not say she had to put a stop to homosexuality.
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Dude don't seem to be interesting in what God wants or the moral standards God would have us uphold.... He seems more interested in trying to promote and defend evil.
 
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Yes..Christians in this nation have every right to shape their own society according to their moral principles .. That's what we are supposed to do under a constitutional republic ... what do you think? Only the wicked have the right to decide what type of society we have? That's insane logic!
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Actually we have no right to forcefully impose our beliefs upon another. In what you are saying, only Christians have the right to decide what earthly laws we have and don't have and everyone else is excluded. There is something very wrong with that, and I certainly do not see it anywhere in scripture. What you are saying is insane logic!
 
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Is God not above kings? If our country ordered you to bow before an idol, would you do it?
I dont think you have scripture on your side with this "we are instructed to follow the law" argument here.

And she wasnt "stopping others from doing it", she was refusing to participate in it by signing her name, therefore making herself a part of the action. She claimed she couldnt do it due to her conscious, she did not say she had to put a stop to homosexuality.
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But she absolutely was stopping others from doing it because she refused to let her clerks issue licenses because of the fact her legal name and title were on them. She was not making herself part of the "action" of them getting married. She has nothing do do with their marriage ceremony. She was just issuing the legal authorization for them to choose to lawfully get married if they wish...because that was her job. I understand that she disagrees with the law. It doesn't change the fact that it is the law though. Yes, it is a tough choice, but if she honestly is violating her "conscience" by doing so, then she should've stepped down praising God that she took the loss for the sake of who He is. Instead, she just refused to step down AND refused to comply with the law. There's just something wrong there, and I believe she completely blew her witness by how she handled this.
 
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The Bible says homosexuality is a sin so if you don't like homosexuality then don't be gay. We are not biblically instructed to stop anyone else from doing so. What we are biblically instructed to do is to obey the law and to render unto Caesar what is his
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Exactly!!!
 
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But she absolutely was stopping others from doing it because she refused to let her clerks issue licenses because of the fact her legal name and title were on them. She was not making herself part of the "action" of them getting married. She has nothing do do with their marriage ceremony. She was just issuing the legal authorization for them to choose to lawfully get married if they wish...because that was her job. I understand that she disagrees with the law. It doesn't change the fact that it is the law though. Yes, it is a tough choice, but if she honestly is violating her "conscience" by doing so, then she should've stepped down praising God that she took the loss for the sake of who He is. Instead, she just refused to step down AND refused to comply with the law. There's just something wrong there, and I believe she completely blew her witness by how she handled this.
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Maybe she just craves the attention she gets. She certainly is no hero.
 
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