U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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I don't think the whole good and evil thing matters much to some folks who call themselves Christians? Any excuse to promote wickedness and outlaw righteousness is fine with them.
Yup, it's ok to break God's law but whoa to those who break society's laws.
 
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Actually we have no right to forcefully impose our beliefs upon another. In what you are saying, only Christians have the right to decide what earthly laws we have and don't have and everyone else is excluded. There is something very wrong with that, and I certainly do not see it anywhere in scripture. What you are saying is insane logic!
Who is talking about using force? Im talking about using our legal political power and influence upon our society as citizens.
Of course the scriptures tell us to reprove darkness (evil) and to be good citizens.
 
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But she absolutely was stopping others from doing it because she refused to let her clerks issue licenses because of the fact her legal name and title were on them. She was not making herself part of the "action" of them getting married. She has nothing do do with their marriage ceremony. She was just issuing the legal authorization for them to choose to lawfully get married if they wish...because that was her job. I understand that she disagrees with the law. It doesn't change the fact that it is the law though. Yes, it is a tough choice, but if she honestly is violating her "conscience" by doing so, then she should've stepped down praising God that she took the loss for the sake of who He is. Instead, she just refused to step down AND refused to comply with the law. There's just something wrong there, and I believe she completely blew her witness by how she handled this.
No you don't "step down" when you serve Christ...you "stand up"
 
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Maybe she just craves the attention she gets. She certainly is no hero.
Maybe not to you and some others who rather see wickedness than righteousness...but to millions of Americans who love and fear God...she is :)
 

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Maybe she just craves the attention she gets.

I actually did wonder about this on my walk to work this morning. I hadnt thought about it before, but I do hope thats not the case.
Though I still have to stand on the side of someone who said no because of their faith, and especially one who was imprisoned for doing so, and I totally think its wrong for anyone to condemn her and side with the secular world and not with Gods word.

I multiquoted Mitspa's post about using our right to change our nation with voting, but it didnt appear here for some reason :/ But it made me think of something Christ said. 'With the faith of a mustard seed, you can move mountains". As followers of Christ, we should be totally faithful that with God, we can change the nation we live in.
 

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Maybe she just craves the attention she gets. She certainly is no hero.
Maybe not to you and some others who rather see wickedness than righteousness...but to millions of Americans who love and fear God...she is :)
She could have chose to simply resigned her elected position. I really did not see how what she did was heroic as there were no consequences for her action that she had to pay.

What exactly in my post led you to believe that I would rather see wickedness rather than righteousness? Your reply to me was truly pathetic.
 

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She could have chose to simply resigned her elected position. I really did not see how what she did was heroic as there were no consequences for her action that she had to pay.

What exactly in my post led you to believe that I would rather see wickedness rather than righteousness? Your reply to me was truly pathetic.
Anyone who disagrees here is horrible and not a real Christian.... According to many here
 
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She could have chose to simply resigned her elected position. I really did not see how what she did was heroic as there were no consequences for her action that she had to pay.

What exactly in my post led you to believe that I would rather see wickedness rather than righteousness? Your reply to me was truly pathetic.
Why should a person taking a moral stand against clear and evident perversion of our society, resign, back down or a in any way surrender to the wickedness of this world. Will you back down when they tell you the law says you must take a certain "mark" to buy or sell?

And the fact that she is a hero to millions of American Christians is not even a question, its evident. The question in my mind is whether folks who don't support her and her stand will be able to pass the test and trials that are coming to all believers? From what I see...some of you would sell out your convictions to Christ at the first sign of persecution.
 
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Anyone who disagrees here is horrible and not a real Christian.... According to many here
Yes its black and white ...good and evil ..... Pick a side!


Re 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
 

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Yes its black and white ...good and evil ..... Pick a side!


Re 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Man please. I am under no obligation to stop anyone from doing anything. Its called free will. I will answer to God for my own actions, not the actions of others.
 
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Man please. I am under no obligation to stop anyone from doing anything. Its called free will. I will answer to God for my own actions, not the actions of others.
No... Im sure God don't want you to actually take a stand on His moral standards...don't worry....its a dry heat
 

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No... Im sure God don't want you to actually take a stand on His moral standards...don't worry....its a dry heat
What stand are you taking, other than trolling in here?
 

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When all other arguments fail...
My point is valid. If he is that bothered about homosexuality then maybe he should be out doing something about it except being on here insulting those who disagree with him. Go picket a gay rally or something. But for the record opinions are irrelevant when I have yet to see biblical backup
 

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What stand are you taking, other than trolling in here?
My point is valid. If he is that bothered about homosexuality then maybe he should be out doing something about it except being on here insulting those who disagree with him. Go picket a gay rally or something. But for the record opinions are irrelevant when I have yet to see biblical backup
So you're admitting to battling a troll (not my position) for 57 pages, what does that speak about you?
 
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If you cant see the difference between being black and being a sexual deviant? Then I doubt you will understand why many of us refuse to accept this perversion as a civil right?
Can you read??????? It isn't about the race. It's about the numbers. Homosexuals are a minority group...and they are human beings who have civil rights just like you yourself do. No wonder so many of them are turned off by Christians...you think they are nothing more than the sin they carry. How sad. For you.
 
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Can you read??????? It isn't about the race. It's about the numbers. Homosexuals are a minority group...and they are human beings who have civil rights just like you yourself do. No wonder so many of them are turned off by Christians...you think they are nothing more than the sin they carry. How sad. For you.
"minority" is a term generally used to describe a racial group...not a group of people who have deviant sexual behavior. Lots of folks have deviant behavior and could be considered in the minority of our society . Deviant behavior is not a protected civil right nor does it make a protected class of people. Christianity is not a social club or a PC party, its a life submitted to the truth of Christ and His Ways. No one seems to more willing to identify the gays as being gay than the gays themselves ...gay pride..etc
 

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I agree with this^ post. Making those who have a certain preference on something an actual group of people is alot like making those who think cars made in Russia are the only cars theyll drive an actual group of people.(Plus who actually likes cars made in Russia? That would make them a minority who need special laws too)

Being gay is a behavior, it is literally a group of people acting out on something that causes them arousal. It is not equal to race at all, as one can choose to deny acting out on it.
We dont call pedophiles a minority, or those who practice bondage a minority. When did homosexuality become different than these?
 

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My point is valid. If he is that bothered about homosexuality then maybe he should be out doing something about it except being on here insulting those who disagree with him. Go picket a gay rally or something. But for the record opinions are irrelevant when I have yet to see biblical backup
You almost sound like a supporter of homosexuality here. I hope Im wrong, as that would be very bad for both you and the people you would encourage to act out on such a thing.

And hes supportive of a woman who stood on the word of God over the laws of man, which is what God asks you to do. The bible is filled with stories of people who died for His word instead of following the earth. Even if she /is/ doing it for attention at this point, she is still taking a stand for God, and not following with the world. She is doing what God would want, please give me /one/ verse that would show God would want you to do what men tell you over follow His commandments?

You have less biblical evidence of your claim then anyone here, Dude 653, in fact the only evidence youve had is "God said to follow the law", but when people point out that Gods word is above the laws of man, and that He even does expect you to let them kill you in His name, you dont even respond to it, you just keep making that claim over and over even though others have already pointed out its flawed.
Please, stop acting like you have scripture on your side when you havent even responded to arguments against your claim.