U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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Yeraza_Bats

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No wonder so many of them are turned off by Christians

They are turned off by them because Christians follow the word of God, which gets in the way of the life they want.

God already told us the world would hate Him and call His ways foolish. We were never commanded to make God popular, we were commanded to spread His word, even if the world persecutes you for it.
 

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Why should a person taking a moral stand against clear and evident perversion of our society, resign, back down or a in any way surrender to the wickedness of this world. Will you back down when they tell you the law says you must take a certain "mark" to buy or sell?

And the fact that she is a hero to millions of American Christians is not even a question, its evident. The question in my mind is whether folks who don't support her and her stand will be able to pass the test and trials that are coming to all believers? From what I see...some of you would sell out your convictions to Christ at the first sign of persecution.
There are many types of sins in this world besides this one. I don't believe it is possible to legislate morality. The best way to take a stand against sin is to set an example in how live your life. You will not win many over to the side of Christianity by alienating them and marginalizing them as human beings. We are all God's children in need of His redemptive grace.
 
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There are many types of sins in this world besides this one. I don't believe it is possible to legislate morality. The best way to take a stand against sin is to set an example in how live your life. You will not win many over to the side of Christianity by alienating them and marginalizing them as human beings. We are all God's children in need of His redemptive grace.
Serving Christ is not popularity contest... Its obedience to His Truth and suffering with Him . But in this issue the people of this ladies state voted 70% to reject this perversion to marriage. This nation is still in large part a Christian nation and the citizens have every right to reject this attack upon our society. All law is based in morality, it in large part depends upon who morality is being upheld. In fact the left would say to allow gay marriage is a "moral" issue to them...so can only the wicked express their idea of morality and the righteous much be silenced? That's insanity strait from the mind of heck.
 
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They are turned off by them because Christians follow the word of God, which gets in the way of the life they want.

God already told us the world would hate Him and call His ways foolish. We were never commanded to make God popular, we were commanded to spread His word, even if the world persecutes you for it.
Sounds like some on this forum would have us tell these people that God is fine with their sin and that Christ has no moral standards ?

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Dude653

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So you're admitting to battling a troll (not my position) for 57 pages, what does that speak about you?
I'll put him on ignore as soon as can get to a computer. I can't access that feature on my phone.
 

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There are many types of sins in this world besides this one. I don't believe it is possible to legislate morality. The best way to take a stand against sin is to set an example in how live your life. You will not win many over to the side of Christianity by alienating them and marginalizing them as human beings. We are all God's children in need of His redemptive grace.
This was an old tired cliche since the Jerry Falwell days.
It's funny how others can legislate immorality but Christians can't legislate morality.
 
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"minority" is a term generally used to describe a racial group...not a group of people who have deviant sexual behavior. Lots of folks have deviant behavior and could be considered in the minority of our society . Deviant behavior is not a protected civil right nor does it make a protected class of people. Christianity is not a social club or a PC party, its a life submitted to the truth of Christ and His Ways. No one seems to more willing to identify the gays as being gay than the gays themselves ...gay pride..etc
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  • the smaller number or part, especially a number that is less than half the whole number:

    Um...whether you like it or not, homosexuals do have civil rights, just like you do. When you say they don't, you are basically saying that they are beneath you in being a human citizen of the U.S...and not on equal terms with you as a citizen. That is completely inaccurate. I understand that you do no agree with how they choose to identify themselves. The way we as Christians treat them has a lot to do with how they respond to us. "deviant behavior" is how you choose to identify those who are gay. In truth, t hey are people just like you and I, who are in need of a loving savior....who they don't know....and will never know as long as we keep refuse to meet them where they're at and reflect the love of Christ to them in both truth and grace. Too often though, we refuse to even step "down" to where they are and hold out the loving hand of God, because we're too busy wallowing in our repulsion of their "sin". Well guess what. Your sin is no better, and just remember, before Christ you were just as lost as they are, and even in Christ, you still sin at times, just like everyone else....and your sin is held no higher in esteem as that of the homosexual. I am praying for you....that you will learn to see the lost as God Himself does....that you will wear the eyes and heart of the Father when relating to those who are lost, whether they be gay or not.


 
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Minority:

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    Um...whether you like it or not, homosexuals do have civil rights, just like you do. When you say they don't, you are basically saying that they are beneath you in being a human citizen of the U.S...and not on equal terms with you as a citizen. That is completely inaccurate. I understand that you do no agree with how they choose to identify themselves. The way we as Christians treat them has a lot to do with how they respond to us. "deviant behavior" is how you choose to identify those who are gay. In truth, t hey are people just like you and I, who are in need of a loving savior....who they don't know....and will never know as long as we keep refuse to meet them where they're at and reflect the love of Christ to them in both truth and grace. Too often though, we refuse to even step "down" to where they are and hold out the loving hand of God, because we're too busy wallowing in our repulsion of their "sin". Well guess what. Your sin is no better, and just remember, before Christ you were just as lost as they are, and even in Christ, you still sin at times, just like everyone else....and your sin is held no higher in esteem as that of the homosexual. I am praying for you....that you will learn to see the lost as God Himself does....that you will wear the eyes and heart of the Father when relating to those who are lost, whether they be gay or not.
They have rights as individual citizens..not as a group of sexual deviants ...Sexual perversion is not and should not be a protected class of citizens. That's insanity

The same loving Savior is the same Judge that makes clear these folks will be judged in their sin, unless they repent and turn from wickedness to righteousness.

Yes I was a sinner...and I turned to Christ and away from my sin...they have the same chance I did and those who lie to them about their need to repent, do not love them but love their own judgment above Gods.

Ro 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to improper conduct.
29 They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips,
30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32 Though they know God's decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them but approve those who practice them.
 
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are you indicating that I've lied to them about their "need to repent"? Because if so, that is a lie. And you just said that they have rights as individual citizens...and like it or not they are the very same rights you are entitled to as an "individual citizen". So I don't get what our argument is other than you feel homosexuals should not have the same rights as you do. I'm glad you turned from your sin. I really am. But I wouldn't want anyone to treat you less than they themselves would want to be treated even BEFORE you turned from your sin. So please, stop wallowing in their sin. We all know about sin. Reflect Christ...always.
 

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are you indicating that I've lied to them about their "need to repent"? Because if so, that is a lie. And you just said that they have rights as individual citizens...and like it or not they are the very same rights you are entitled to as an "individual citizen". So I don't get what our argument is other than you feel homosexuals should not have the same rights as you do. I'm glad you turned from your sin. I really am. But I wouldn't want anyone to treat you less than they themselves would want to be treated even BEFORE you turned from your sin. So please, stop wallowing in their sin. We all know about sin. Reflect Christ...always.
I love how people harp on that one sin of homosexuality, like that once in is going to be the end of all humanity. People sin everyday.
 
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are you indicating that I've lied to them about their "need to repent"? Because if so, that is a lie. And you just said that they have rights as individual citizens...and like it or not they are the very same rights you are entitled to as an "individual citizen". So I don't get what our argument is other than you feel homosexuals should not have the same rights as you do. I'm glad you turned from your sin. I really am. But I wouldn't want anyone to treat you less than they themselves would want to be treated even BEFORE you turned from your sin. So please, stop wallowing in their sin. We all know about sin. Reflect Christ...always.
Sure they have right to vote...to free speech etc. (not because they are gay but because they are people).. But they don't have a special right to get their evil approved anymore than any other deviant .... Being gay is not more a recognized or protected group than being a harlot or whoremonger, do we give them special rights to commit their sins?
 
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I love how people harp on that one sin of homosexuality, like that once in is going to be the end of all humanity. People sin everyday.
If you haven't noticed..there is a clear agenda by this group to force this perversion upon our society and even some who are trying to force its acceptance in the church.
 

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I love how people harp on that one sin of homosexuality, like that once in is going to be the end of all humanity. People sin everyday.
Let me see, have we legalized lying? Adultery? Stealing? Murder?
Maybe that's why it is harped on and not the others.
 

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Let me see, have we legalized lying? Adultery? Stealing? Murder?
Maybe that's why it is harped on and not the others.
Hillary Clinton. Yes. Socialism. Abortion.

We're legalizing it all. That's part of the reason why if we don't stand for righteousness in all things including homosexuality, we will die and the blood will be on our hands.
 

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Two consenting adults have the right to do anything they want with each other. As I previously mentioned, if you want to outlaw being gay then why are we not outlawing every little thing that the Bible says is a sin
 

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Hillary Clinton. Yes. Socialism. Abortion.

We're legalizing it all. That's part of the reason why if we don't stand for righteousness in all things including homosexuality, we will die and the blood will be on our hands.
Oh Gee, I thought the order was going to be...

Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton. Socialism. Abortion. ...Yes?
 

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And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. Then the man said, "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
(Gen 2:22-24)

OK, kiddies, can you get off the homosexual kick for awhile and see that God's standard of marriage is at stake?

If you want to SPIT on GOD'S WORD then continue supporting laws that don't reflect His Word.
 

Desdichado

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Two consenting adults have the right to do anything they want with each other. As I previously mentioned, if you want to outlaw being gay then why are we not outlawing every little thing that the Bible says is a sin
That is not the standard we ought to apply if we desire to have a lawful and civilized polity.

Laws prohibiting and punishing sex in the streets and spousal abuse have their roots in the Biblical Christian worldview. I suppose we ought not to have those in the books because, you know, mixed fibers and shellfish.