Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

[Ahwatukee]

Abraham was extraordinary. For the longest time I could not figure out how he could offer his son as a sacrifice. Then once I understood how blood covenants work, and how clearly he saw the coming messiah, I could see.

Abraham your father rejoiced that he would see my day, and he saw it and was glad.” John 8:56​

Morning HeRose,

If I may, the reason that Abraham could sacrifice his son, though I'm sure that it was still difficult, was because God had previously said that the promise made to Abraham would come through his son Isaac and therefore as Paul said regarding this:

"By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death."

Therefore, Abraham knew that if he sacrificed his son that God would have to resurrect him in order to keep his promise when God said "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."

 

[Grandpa]

Morning HeRose,

If I may, the reason that Abraham could sacrifice his son, though I'm sure that it was still difficult, was because God had previously said that the promise made to Abraham would come through his son Isaac and therefore as Paul said regarding this:

"By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death."

Therefore, Abraham knew that if he sacrificed his son that God would have to resurrect him in order to keep his promise when God said "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."

Genesis 22:7-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Abraham had some amazing faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The physical was accomplished already by Solomon's time. The entire covenant was abrogated by the national Israel. Why would God follow through on a Covenant that was actually abrogated three times by national Israel. Which is why the end of the national Isreal comes as Christ prophesied in Matt and historically occurred in 70AD. The were scattered permanently as scripture states.
All the prophecies of the OT have already been fulfilled. The OT is fulfilled by Christ and the NT.

What would be the purpose of Christ having some earthly reign in some distant future? You have a theory that has never been the teaching of scripture and you cannot find any reason why there would be a purpose for another earthly kingdom of Christ. The only reason I can garner is that the Jews are still looking for the Messiah, the earthly king to do what today, I'm not sure, but Schofield has deceived a lot of Christians to blindly follow a purely world view. Scofield clearly did not understand apocalyptic writing.

Again, it is one of those things that if it was actually the teaching of scripture, it would have been taught from the beginning by the Apostles, by all throughout history. Yet it does not appear until Scofield. And all it is today is a few men arguing over the best scenario and it has been going on for 200 years.

eternal means forever.

I know you romanists do not believe this.

But it is true.

It does not matter if God had fulfilled in putting all Israel in the land promised them by solomans time. The promise does not stop there, IT GOES ON FOREVER.

You make God a wishy washy God that says one thing, but does another.

You can have that God.!!

I want the God who created all things and keeps his word..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Abraham looked forward to receiving the land of Israel in the resurrection. He knew he would not receive it during his lifetime.

No, He looked forward to recieving an inheritance in eternity, which had nothign to do with the promise of giving his children a plot of land here on earth.

what good is a plot of land on earth, if you miss out on eternity?

God gave me a blessed life, and a wonderful house and family.

Thats all great, But I am looking forward to eternity, which far out weighs anything God coud ever give me here on earth

 

[valiant]

eternal means forever.

I know you romanists do not believe this.

But it is true.

It does not matter if God had fulfilled in putting all Israel in the land promised them by solomans time. The promise does not stop there, IT GOES ON FOREVER.

You make God a wishy washy God that says one thing, but does another.

You can have that God.!!

I want the God who created all things and keeps his word..

and if it is FOR EVER then it must refer to the eternal spiritual kingdom and not some wishy washy millennium.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Morning HeRose,

If I may, the reason that Abraham could sacrifice his son, though I'm sure that it was still difficult, was because God had previously said that the promise made to Abraham would come through his son Isaac and therefore as Paul said regarding this:

"By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death."

Therefore, Abraham knew that if he sacrificed his son that God would have to resurrect him in order to keep his promise when God said "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."

Abraham had faith God could raise him from the dead.

Why would Abraha even think this?

Because God promised that through this seed would be ganted specific things.

If God allowed that seed to die, God would break his own promise.

See where hope comes in? It is a trust that God is strong enough, and has the power to do what he promises he will do.

If God will not keep a promise he says is an eternal promise, we have no hope. if we have no hope. we cant have faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Genesis 22:7-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Abraham had some amazing faith.

He had alot more faith than I have, I doubt I would have responded the way he did many times, and he was not perfect himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

and if it is FOR EVER then it must refer to the eternal spiritual kingdom and not some wishy washy millennium.

Well if Gods promise is no longer valid today.

Then forever does not mean forever. and your whole gospel of eternal life in Christ is nothing to place your faith in. WHy trust in a God who can not keep his promises.

Millenium?? I am talking about today, the last 4000 years, and the future of this earth until God destroys it.

Not just some millenium.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No, He looked forward to recieving an inheritance in eternity, which had nothign to do with the promise of giving his children a plot of land here on earth.

what good is a plot of land on earth, if you miss out on eternity?

God gave me a blessed life, and a wonderful house and family.

Thats all great, But I am looking forward to eternity, which far out weighs anything God coud ever give me here on earth

You're right. It had nothing to do with giving Abraham's descendents a plot of land, because GOD didn't promise it to them; he promised it to the messiah.

Abraham asked GOD specifically for security that he would receive the land he had been promised. GOD gave him that surety by making a blood covenant with him in which he vowed to give the land, not to Abram, but to his seed.

And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. And [Abram] said, Lord GOD, how shall I know that I shall inherit it? Genesis 15:7-8

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, I will give this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:18​

Now what sense does it make that GOD would vow to give the land to Abraham's descendents as surety to Abraham that he would receive the land? It makes absolutely no sense because Abraham could never receive anything from them.

However, GOD vowing to give the land to the messiah makes perfect sense because Abram's faith in the messiah would have given him strong confidence that he would receive the land with the messiah in the resurrection.

These all died in faith without receiving the promises, but seeing them from a distance and welcoming them, and admitting that they were strangers and temporary residents on the earth. For those who say such things make clear that they are seeking a homeland. Hebrews 11:13-14​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Morning HeRose,

If I may, the reason that Abraham could sacrifice his son, though I'm sure that it was still difficult, was because God had previously said that the promise made to Abraham would come through his son Isaac and therefore as Paul said regarding this:

"By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death."

Therefore, Abraham knew that if he sacrificed his son that God would have to resurrect him in order to keep his promise when God said "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."

That doesn't answer what gave Abraham his confidence to follow through with the seeming madness of sacrificing his own son.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're right. It had nothing to do with giving Abraham's descendents a plot of land, because GOD didn't promise it to them; he promised it to the messiah.

No He did not promise it to himself. And it has been shown to you over and over this is not true, and for some reason you keep ignoring the very words of God himself in all the prophets which speak otherwise.

Abraham asked GOD specifically for security that he would receive the land he had been promised. GOD gave him that surety by making a blood covenant with him in which he vowed to give the land, not to Abram, but to his seed.

And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. And [Abram] said, Lord GOD, how shall I know that I shall inherit it? Genesis 15:7-8

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, I will give this land to your seed, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:18​

Now what sense does it make that GOD would vow to give the land to Abraham's descendents as surety to Abraham that he would receive the land? It makes absolutely no sense because Abraham could never receive anything from them.

However, GOD vowing to give the land to the messiah makes perfect sense because Abram's faith in the messiah would have given him strong confidence that he would receive the land with the messiah in the resurrection.

These all died in faith without receiving the promises, but seeing them from a distance and welcoming them, and admitting that they were strangers and temporary residents on the earth. For those who say such things make clear that they are seeking a homeland. Hebrews 11:13-14​

been through this already, And I showed you how you misinterpreted this, not going to keep beating a dead horse.

 

[Cassian]

eternal means forever.

I know you romanists do not believe this.

But it is true.

It does not matter if God had fulfilled in putting all Israel in the land promised them by solomans time. The promise does not stop there, IT GOES ON FOREVER.

You make God a wishy washy God that says one thing, but does another.

You can have that God.!!

I want the God who created all things and keeps his word..

You would like to believe it. No Christian including the Romanists before the Reformation and most Protestants since do not believe it.

The whole concept of a Covenant is that it is between at least two parties. Both agree to keep the Covenant. Israel did not keep the Covenant. They abrogated it three times, though they repeated twice but the third rejection, judgment came. Same for you today. As long as you remain faithful to the New Covenant, you will be the recipient of the promise. For those who are not faithful will not receive the promise. Its very simple to understand. God does not require you to do something to enforce the covenant, then still honor it even though you no longer abide by the Covenant.

God has always kept His word. The problem is not God, but man. It is we that do not keep the Covenants. The promise remains even though a person removes himself. He can, as along as he is alive, repent and be reinstated, (grafted back on).

Your theory turns scripture on its head regarding how God works in this created order.

Now answer why it would be beneficial for Christ to have an earthly reign according to your view. You want God to be faithful to His promises except the ones of the New Covenant. The ONLY reason Christ came was to redeem mankind. To make one new man. There is no national Israel anymore. There is no need for a physical Israel for the purpose of the Messiah to be born from. That has been accomplished.

Which is why Peter's sermon at Pentecost, the very beginning of the Messianic or Church age, very clearly and categorically denies any earthly reign of Christ in yet another age. And that was before Israel was destroyed in 70AD.

How does God being just make Him wishy washy? If you deny Him, He will deny you. Seems quite clear to me.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No He did not promise it to himself. And it has been shown to you over and over this is not true, and for some reason you keep ignoring the very words of God himself in all the prophets which speak otherwise.


been through this already, And I showed you how you misinterpreted this, not going to keep beating a dead horse.

No, it hasn't been shown to me over and over. No one can explain how GOD vowing to give the land to Abraham's descendents would give Abraham confidence that he would receive the land.

The seed being the messiah is the only interpretation that makes sense. Yet that simple, plain truth is denied over and over.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You would like to believe it. No Christian including the Romanists before the Reformation and most Protestants since do not believe it.

The whole concept of a Covenant is that it is between at least two parties. Both agree to keep the Covenant. Israel did not keep the Covenant.

Ah man, See here you messed up. Thats is what happens when you listen to men, and not God.

Gods covenant with Abraham was not a two way covenant, God put abraham to sleep. He thus was not able to walk down the middle. to promise to keep his part.

God said I WILL. or I GIVE, He did not say, Ok Abraham, I will do this if you do that, do you agree?? Ok ten lets walk down in between these things and commit before God to keep our part of the covenant.

Anyone with an open mind understand this..

But your stuck with a church who tells you want to believe. and you follow them bllindly.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, it hasn't been shown to me over and over. No one can explain how GOD vowing to give the land to Abraham's descendents would give Abraham confidence that he would receive the land.

The seed being the messiah is the only interpretation that makes sense. Yet that simple, plain truth is denied over and over.

No one believes God showed Abraham the promise by showing hi that he would give it to the messiah which had not even been seen yet.

Your proof is invalid. and yes, I did show you how problamatic this theory was last time you used it.. Whether you believe it or not does not matter the fact is I did.

 

[valiant]

Ah man, See here you messed up. Thats is what happens when you listen to men, and not God.

Gods covenant with Abraham was not a two way covenant, God put abraham to sleep. He thus was not able to walk down the middle. to promise to keep his part.

God said I WILL. or I GIVE, He did not say, Ok Abraham, I will do this if you do that, do you agree?? Ok ten lets walk down in between these things and commit before God to keep our part of the covenant.

Anyone with an open mind understand this..

But your stuck with a church who tells you want to believe. and you follow them bllindly.

yes i'm stuck with the New Testament which says that Abraham expected to receive a heavenly land (Heb 11.10-16)

If only I'd stuck to the Old Testament like you I could join you in your morass of fiction.

 

[valiant]

Well if Gods promise is no longer valid today.

Then forever does not mean forever. and your whole gospel of eternal life in Christ is nothing to place your faith in. WHy trust in a God who can not keep his promises.

Millenium?? I am talking about today, the last 4000 years, and the future of this earth until God destroys it.

Not just some millenium.

so you think that is for ever? LOL wake up

actually 'olam means 'into the hidden future' from the root 'hidden'. But that's probably too technical for you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

so you think that is for ever? LOL wake up

yes, If God says I give you this land forever. then as long as that land still exists, Forever is forever. In fact God even promises after that land is destroyed, they will still have their very own land still called israel in the new earth, He just makes it better, with a heavenly jerusalem.

I will still probably reside in the new north america, and will be so happy to have that as my home I will not even care who is in the new jerusalem, or why I am not there..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yes i'm stuck with the New Testament which says that Abraham expected to receive a heavenly land (Heb 11.10-16)

If only I'd stuck to the Old Testament like you I could join you in your morass of fiction.

Then Why did God call the physical and his? Why did he tell his future descendents, that physical land was theres. Why did he tell them that if they sinned, he would remove them from that land, But if they repented, he would return them to it.

Why did God do all of this, If the land was never theres, He only promised them some spiritual land in eternity which did not even exist yet, where no one can sin (thus he would never have to punish them?

No, your stuck with romanology, which was formed in the context of antisemetism and self fulfilment (greed).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No one believes God showed Abraham the promise by showing hi that he would give it to the messiah which had not even been seen yet.

Your proof is invalid. and yes, I did show you how problamatic this theory was last time you used it.. Whether you believe it or not does not matter the fact is I did.

Abraham saw Christ very clearly. I believe this verse pertains exactly to the blood covenant in Genesis 15:18 in which GOD vowed to give the land to Christ.

Abraham your father rejoiced that he would see my day, and he saw it and was glad. John 8:56​