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Well, it sounds like you are comfortable with your current understanding of Paul. The Bible doesn't save us so it really doesn't matter.

I am sure I have an incomplete understand of many things.....II will get it someday and if not, God will catch me up in Heaven. All I know is that when God completes my understanding, I am not going to stand there entrenched in my own beliefs ready to argue.
As for “silly Satan,” if he wants to choose eternal hell over salvation, I guess that’s his problem, not ours. If all you have to do is believe in Jesus to be saved, then I would believe in Jesus. My only fear is that I will forget to do that.
 
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No one would choose hell over Heaven most christians just like to cover it up as a pleasantry and say "they chose hell" instead of just saying it how it is, they didn't read a book God wrote and didn't obey what He told them to do so God threw them into the lake of fire forever.
 
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Burning people for eternity in Hell? I would never be able to do something so horrible to even the worst of my enemies, why does God do this to the majority of the human race? By that I mean send them to Hell and please no "they choose hell" garbage God controls all WE DO NOT CONTROL HIM.
Hell was created by God for satan and the demons. The master that a person chooses dictates what their future looks like. Just like with any master and servant dynamic, the servant is obedient to whatever master they serve, and in turn are effected by what effects their master. Plain and simple. Life without Jesus is choosing another master, and guess who that master is? The Bible calls satan the prince of this world.

Blessings,

Machew
 
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Hell was created by God for satan and the demons. The master that a person chooses dictates what their future looks like. Just like with any master and servant dynamic, the servant is obedient to whatever master they serve, and in turn are effected by what effects their master. Plain and simple. Life without Jesus is choosing another master, and guess who that master is? The Bible calls satan the prince of this world.

Blessings,

Machew
What if you choose Jesus but have previously blasphemed against the Holy Spirit or blasphemed against Him after becoming a christian?
 
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No one would choose hell over Heaven most christians just like to cover it up as a pleasantry and say "they chose hell" instead of just saying it how it is, they didn't read a book God wrote and didn't obey what He told them to do so God threw them into the lake of fire forever.
Here is John 3:16 (Revised Standard Version):

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Don’t you believe?
 
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Here is John 3:16 (Revised Standard Version):

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Don’t you believe?
Doesn't matter if I believe or not I think I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit which God WILL NEVER FORGIVE.
 
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Doesn't matter if I believe or not I think I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit which God WILL NEVER FORGIVE.
A lot of us perhaps wonder if we have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and will never be forgiven. Why does it matter? John 3:16 makes it quite clear we have nothing to worry about, doesn’t it?
 
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Not if we read about the unforgivable sin...
 
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No, all I said was once when I was praying to God was "I may have involved your precious Holy Spirit in a joke please forgive me if I have" what I said there is blasphemy is it not? To say that I could have involved the Holy Spirit in a joke is blasphemy yes?
 
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Nothing you have said suggests to me you have committed blaspheme, and even if you have, John 3:16 will always be true.

I’m sure the Lord has a sense of humor. I use him in jokes occasionally, though always in a respectful way (I hope).
 
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I didn't involve the Holy Spirit in a joke but by saying "I may have involved the Holy Spirit in a joke" isn't saying that in a sentence truly disrespectful talk about the Holy Spirit?
 
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I guess, I mean it might've been a joke where I don't disrespect the Holy Spirit but disrespect say, a priest or some man or animal?
 
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I guess one can get quite technical about what blaspheme is. My understanding would be “showing disrespect for the Lord.” To show disrespect for each other might be a sin, but it doesn’t seem to me to qualify as blaspheme. Anyway, the Bible verses in question, I believe, only refer to blaspheme towards the Holy Spirit. I think we’ve decided that you didn’t to that, and even if you had, I think John 3:16 gets you off the hook.

As for disrespect for pastors and priests, what do you say when your pastor is convicted of sexually molesting a child?
 
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What?.............................
 
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No one would choose hell over Heaven most christians just like to cover it up as a pleasantry and say "they chose hell" instead of just saying it how it is, they didn't read a book God wrote and didn't obey what He told them to do so God threw them into the lake of fire forever.
So literacy is required for salvation?
Not to be pleasant, but God would never throw us into a lake of fire for not obeying Him - He sent His Son to die for us to conquer death - I think it is safe to say He is committed to the process of forgiving us and teaching our hearts to love.

If God is omnipresent, He has to already be in our hearts, we are simply called to realize that fact and allow Him to justify and sanctify our hearts. If we do not allow Him to work we will never become able to love and serve others (become citizens of Heaven) so we will end up remaining out side His Kingdom, which is called HeLL. HeLL is simply a place for narcissists - people who are sanctified by the serpent believing themselves to be the highest authority or 'god'

If I am wrong and God has set up a place where people are tortured forever because they did not say some formulaic phrase like 'Jesus come into my heart and save me from sins' once; so now their sins doesn't count, but other people who devoted themselves to loving others, but never uttered that phrase; He is sadistic and I want nothing to do with His plan. It would be unethical to worship Him.

Like I have said before, I treat my dogs better than that and I didn't even die for them.
 
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What?.............................
I looked up the word “blaspheme” on the internet to make sure I knew what I was talking about, and discovered it can mean more that one thing. My definition of blaspheme is “showing disrespect for the Lord.” I don’t see how you did that.

As far as showing disrespect for people, including pastors, I don’t see how that is blaspheme, but even if it is, the Scriptures we were discussing are about blaspheme towards the Holy Spirit.

I put that comment in about a pastor or priest sexually molesting a child to demonstrate that priests and pastors can do evil things and sometimes, therefore, earn criticism. Certainly it is not blaspheme to speak critically of a priest for sexually molesting a child, if that is what the priest has done.
 
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hell is a place where there is no emotional, physical, spiritual or mental connection to God...many people on this earth are already living in "hell" because they don't know how to feel the greatest love that God gives, nor how to give that love in return.
 
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hell is a place where there is no emotional, physical, spiritual or mental connection to God...many people on this earth are already living in "hell" because they don't know how to feel the greatest love that God gives, nor how to give that love in return.
Indeed.

However, this earth still has the presence of God and His people so HeLL (condition of the heart) will be even worse someday