Christians are not required to keep the law.

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phil112

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I think it is love, (gods love not our interpretation of love, which is not love at all)

Since we have Gods ultimate love in us (experienced by the cross) we know anything that falls hsort of this love is a sin.. so in a sense, we have Gods law written.. we can not be like him, where before, all we could do is serve self. even when attempting to serve others.
This is a pretty good post. About as close to a good explanation one can get in so few words.

Definitely His nature is love but there are other aspects as well, patience, longsuffering, peace etc.:)
Those "other aspects" are a result of love. It is all about love. A pure love is what God is trying to get us to attain.
 

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Jesus kept all the law.. Jesus asked us to follow him (Matthew 16:24). How do we follow the example of Christ while simultaneously ignoring the law?

While I agree that we aren't saved by the law, I think there's a danger in encouraging others to break the laws. Promoting such a thing can convince a new Christian that they are exempt from the commandments, and it can be mistaken for; Go ahead and murder a dozen people, the law doesn't apply to you.

Jesus gave 2 great commandments and asked us to follow them because all the laws hang on them (Matthew 22:40). Loving your neighbor as yourself means you wouldn't kill, steal, covet. or sleep with his wife. Loving God means you wouldn't create idols or worship any other gods.

I believe all the laws are inclusive in the 2 greatest commandments. "If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15). It could be said that Christians who willingly break his commandments are hypocrites? jmo
 

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#83
That is because legalists teach that we are saved by works rather than faith
Though I don't see where they got that idea
~1 John 3:4King James Version (KJV)[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 Samuel 15: 22Samuel said, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. 23"For rebellion is as the sin of divination, And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has also rejected you from being king."

Hosea 4: 6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

1 John 2: 5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Revelation 14: 12Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
 

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#84
No one can follow the law. The Hebrews (who the law was given to) could not follow the law, The only person who was able to do it was Christ.

So this is a mute matter. Anyone who tells you you should follow it is telling you to do an impossible thing.
Luke 1: 37"For nothing will be impossible with God."

2 Corinthians 5:
17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Philippians 2:13for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
 

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#85

I think it is love, (gods love not our interpretation of love, which is not love at all)

Since we have Gods ultimate love in us (experienced by the cross) we know anything that falls hsort of this love is a sin.. so in a sense, we have Gods law written.. we can not be like him, where before, all we could do is serve self. even when attempting to serve others.
John 14:15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;…
 
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Christ us the end of the law, only unto righteousness. The moral law still exists and God desires the christian to obey it. It still has its purpose. It is written on the christians mind so they instinctively know how God wants them to live and it I placed on their heart so they in their heart want to obey it. Thou shalt not kill, covet, steal, lie etc is still in place, only the law of righteousness got removed, not the law itself
GOD's law is spiritual, not moral. There is no such thing as the moral law of GOD. Moral is the language of philosophy.

I can guarantee you that if we took your heart out and looked at it, there would be nothing written on it. It is a metaphor for the indwelling holy spirit. If you read between the lines of the 10 commandments, that is what you will see. The purpose of the 10 commandments was to demand that Israelites, who didn't have the baptism of the holy spirit, behave like GOD. Now with GOD himself dwelling within us, there is no need for commandments, because if we hearken to the spirit, we will behave like GOD.

And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This [is] the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. Isaiah 30:21

Furthermore, "end" means "end", not "yes, but".
 

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So why did you accept Christ if you were never under the law? What do you think He came to save you from, a bad hair day?
Tourist has already gone to bed as he has to get up really early to go to work tomorrow....You made me laugh out loud and I had to cover my mouth to keep the noise down....
 

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People in the old testament, some did actually live out the law, like we see Noah for example or Enoch, they lived accordingly, that is why they were saved.
Jesus died for them too and that is why they are saved because they obeyed what God commanded them to do. Jesus sacrifice covered their sins also.
 
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So why did you accept Christ if you were never under the law? What do you think He came to save you from, a bad hair day?
This is why

The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God. And this is the judgment: that the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:18-19
 

JesusLives

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Thats the thing, when were Christians under the laws of the old testament, they were given to isarel, and not Christians to begin with, Roberth you should have scriptural reference that at least shows Gentiles lived under a law that wasn't ever given to them.
They have need of Jesus as gentiles have also sinned and have need of a Savior.

Revelation 3:20'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Jesus is talking of the door to your heart. Gentiles have hearts last time I checked and they also are sinners. What is sin?

1 John 3:4King James Version Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.




Other wise gentiles get a free pass?


 
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Jesus is talking of the door to your heart. Gentiles have hearts last time I checked and they also are sinners. What is sin?

[h=1]1 John 3:4King James Version (KJV)[/h][SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
You and everyone else who uses this bad translation of 1 John 3:4 should cease. This is the correct translation.

Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4

Lawlessness is rebellion against the revealed will of GOD.
 

JesusLives

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You and everyone else who uses this bad translation of 1 John 3:4 should cease. This is the correct translation.
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4

Lawlessness is rebellion against the revealed will of GOD.
Take it up with whoever wrote that version of the Bible as I have written few words of my own just copied and pasted from different translations of the Bible.
 

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Take it up with whoever wrote that version of the Bible as I have written few words of my own just copied and pasted from different translations of the Bible.
Which version do you use? I use various ones, having no problem with KJ myself though not quoting from it due to being aware that others do not like it...
 
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Take it up with whoever wrote that version of the Bible as I have written few words of my own just copied and pasted from different translations of the Bible.
That's your attitude towards GOD's holy word? Wow...
 

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You and everyone else who uses this bad translation of 1 John 3:4 should cease. This is the correct translation.
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4

Lawlessness is rebellion against the revealed will of GOD.
Which translation is that?
 
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GOD's law is spiritual, not moral. There is no such thing as the moral law of GOD. Moral is the language of philosophy.

I can guarantee you that if we took your heart out and looked at it, there would be nothing written on it. It is a metaphor for the indwelling holy spirit. If you read between the lines of the 10 commandments, that is what you will see. The purpose of the 10 commandments was to demand that Israelites, who didn't have the baptism of the holy spirit, behave like GOD. Now with GOD himself dwelling within us, there is no need for commandments, because if we hearken to the spirit, we will behave like GOD.

And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This [is] the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left. Isaiah 30:21

Furthermore, "end" means "end", not "yes, but".
Great theology but not what is written in the bible.

Its great that on this website so many accept there I no law of righteousness in place. But the downside is soon as you mention the word law a few are up in arms as if its a hanging offence!
 

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I think you have misread 2 cor 3.3 It says nothing about the law written on the heart. It is the letter of Christ which is written on our hearts.

The law in the mind and heart in Jeremiah is a fulfilment not a crude lawgiving. It means we will 'naturally' desire to fulfil all God's requirements. Our righteousness has to be greater than that of lawkeepers.
We have no righteousness we take on Jesus righteousness that covers us. All our good works are as filthy rags.

2 Corinthians 5:21He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

 
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thebesttrees

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Christians are not saved by the Law. They are saved by Grace and the Sacrifice made. But ask any Christian, if he or she would like to be sitting on the right hand side of the King and be counted among the sheep and they would readily tell you, "yes , of course!". And that requires the following and these are the words of the Lord Himself:

Matthew 25

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ [SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 

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Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh
be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.