What spirit is it that taught you there are ten foolish virgins?
You're right, my mistake, I meant five foolish virgins.
Okay, I give up, you cannot understand the relevance.
I understood your intention, but it still was a change of subject.
I have provided enough Scripture to expect a response, rather than all of this talk which is nothing more than evasion.
Look up tu quoque, lol.
Well, you said this, which is nothing more than an affirmation on your part:
But the fact is that Paul taught a Pre-Tribulation view. We do not have to look to the 18th century for this truth, we simply acknowledge that Paul made it clear that the Church will be raptured as a whole, both living and dead, and the events described by John show that the Church is not found in the events when they unfold.
Reason why that is just an affirmation of something supposedly being true, is because of that first statement there. I can just as easily say, "But the fact is that Paul taught a Post-Tribulation view," so what would make my statement like that an less valid? See, you didn't include actual Scripture there to prove what you believe Paul said.
Now your statement that Paul taught Christ's Church will be gathered as a whole, I definitely agree with that, because that is written. But Paul does not show that gathering anywhere being PRIOR to the tribulation events, but after those events. Paul even gave us the specific order in 2 Thess.2 that a great falling away and the false messiah appearing in Jerusalem is required to occur FIRST. And since that is a fact per Paul, it also means another temple will be built in the last days prior to Christ's coming, and that false one will proclaim himself as God sitting in it, and deceive many, which are events hard-linked to the great tribulation timing of Matt.24 and Mark 13, and even the Books of Daniel and Revelation.
It's rather simple: the dead in Christ are raised in glorified bodies, then those still alive are glorified...and both are caught up.
What does that have to do with my point?
Again, if all the believers are glorified...there are no physical believers left that fulfill what has to take place not only in regards to what Revelation 20 states (a multitude of unbelievers join ranks with the recently released Satan), but with Old Testament Prophecy concerning the Millennial Kingdom:
Like I said, you don't understand what the resurrection is per Paul in 1 Cor.15. I'd say you've never understood Isaiah 25 either where Paul was pulling that idea from of death being swallowed up in victory. This is probably going to be a revelation to you.
Isa 25:5-9
5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
7 And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of His people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
9 And it shall be said in that day, "Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for Him, we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation."
KJV
What do you think those phrases are about with, "the face of the covering cast over all people" and "the vail that is spread over all nations"... in relation to that "He will swallow up death in victory"?
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
Jesus showed us what will occur on that day of His coming. BOTH, the "resurrection of life" and... the "resurrection of damnation" occur on that SAME day. That's not the time of God's GWT Judgment either. It's the first day of Christ's Millennial reign with His elect over that "resurrection of damnation".
As Paul said, as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, so does that include the wicked? Yes, because have they not been born with the image of the earthy also? Yes. Thus 1 Cor.15 with many assume... that resurrection is for Christ's Church only, when Paul actually went into greater detail in the Greek about the change of corruption to a body of incorruption, and what's mortal (soul) putting on immortality through Christ Jesus.
Those of the "resurrection of damnation" will still have liable to die mortal souls when they are raised, having rejected Christ. Those in Christ Jesus will have immortal souls that can never... die when raised. Thus when Jesus comes with God's consuming fire burning man's works off this earth, ALL upon the earth will be changed at an instant, at the twinkling of an eye (the similar idea for the wicked like God's "at an instant, suddenly" of Isaiah 29 with comparison of the wicked suddenly waking up from a dream).
But I'm aware you've been wrongly taught the false idea that ONLY those of Christ's Church are changed at Paul's twinkling of an eye, and everyone else still left in their flesh bodies. Those false prophets have to teach that idea you have, otherwise it would confuse their pre-trib timing for the rapture they devised.
Zechariah 13
King James Version (KJV)
1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the Lord: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
The simple truths to understand, my friend, is that not one of the unbelieving enter into that Kingdom, all will have to be born again. We also know that there will be unbelievers, as this Prophecy shows, and the only place they can come from is that they are the descendants of those that live through the Tribulation.
Then you didn't understand Rev.22:14-15 from our Lord Jesus, where He showed the wicked outside the gates of the holy city while His saints are allowed inside and have right to the tree of life. That probably you also missed what our Lord Jesus taught about those cast to the "outer darkness" at His coming. That's what those Rev.22:14-15 are about for the those wicked. And Rev.20:9 reveals the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" is upon this EARTH, not up in the sky.
That Zech.13 chapter contains timing about God's River of the Waters of Life that will be established in Jerusalem. It's one of several OT references showing us WHERE God's River will be established ON EARTH after Christ's coming.
The Rule of Christ will be worldwide, as indicated here:
Zechariah 14:16-19
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
You are grasping at straws to maintain your doctrine.
Yes, that is about the wicked existing in the time after Christ's second coming, those are the "resurrection of damnation" too that are raised from the dead on the day of Jesus' coming to gather His Church, just like Jesus showed us in the John 5:28-29 Scripture. If you think that's grasping at straws, it only reveals that The LORD did not give this simple matter to you to understand yet. But you will... know it in time, I can guarantee that, you just may have to wait until His coming.
So everyone in the Millennial Kingdom is glorified?
Like I said you don't understand what the resurrection is.
Answer me this, if the mere idea of being resurrected means to be 'glorified' as you say, then how is it that God's Word could even declare the existence of
"the resurrection unto damnation"? How could our Lord Jesus even give examples like the rich man of Luke 16 who died, and he was taken to hell?
Obviously, you have not been taught what all Paul covered about the resurrection in 1 Cor.15.
Which brings us back to the question...who exactly is it that rebels against God at the end of the Millennial Kingdom?
Well, it ain't going to be people in flesh bodies doing that. It will be those of the "resurrection of damnation" and the leftovers of the nations that are ALSO changed at the twinkling of an eye on the day of Christ's return. When Jesus comes on the day of The Lord, man's existence with a flesh type body will be OVER, done. The wicked during Christ's thousand years reign will have a body of incorruption but still with liable to perish souls, i.e, still subject to the "second death", which is the casting into the "lake of fire" after God's final Judgment.
And the obvious fallacy is your belief that the Millennial Kingdom consists only of glorified saints.
This demands that believers rebel against God at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.
What utter nonsense.
I never said all will be glorified at Christ's coming, because in reality per Paul, that glorification is about putting on immortality through Christ Jesus. The wicked will not be doing that, but they will have a body of incorruption though, which is the image of the heavenly that even Satan's angels have in the heavenly dimension. You simply reveal you don't know the difference between the two dimensions of existence spoken of in God's Word.
Here is more prophecy that shows that the Millennial Kingdom is physical:
Isaiah 65:20
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Do glorified saints die? Of course not. Of course the Church will not be marrying, lol, they will be glorified, but, those that live through the Tribulation are not. They live and are gathered at the Sheep and Goat Judgment, and enter into that Kingdom.
And they are the ones whose offspring rebel against God.
Continued...
That Isaiah 65:20 verse is an expression, because NO ONE will die during Christ's future thousand years reign. That is how those nations exist at the beginning of the thousand years, and also to the end of the thousand years when Satan is loosed one final time.
You simply show a carnal thinking about that future time, comparing the things of this present world with that future world to come, that doesn't work.