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Well its because they look like us and have the same sort of characteristics as we do. They are the closest looking and acting animals to humans aren't they. Apart from the opposable thumbs that is.
You wouldn't look at a dolphin and think it would you?
That said, who's to say dolphins wernt once people that had had enough of paying taxes and Justin Bieber and decided to live in the Sea.
Mermaids.
You wouldn't look at a dolphin and think it would you?
That said, who's to say dolphins wernt once people that had had enough of paying taxes and Justin Bieber and decided to live in the Sea.
Mermaids.
and what does similarity prove? many things look similar? ..you have to want to believe evolution and then find some logic to try and justify what you want to believe... Its makes much more logic to assume that the same Creator would create things in a similar way. If you want to believe something and have no real evidence? That's fine but its not science, its a religion. I am happy with my religion and admit it takes faith...you seem to be unhappy in your religion and refuse to acknowledge that your beliefs are not based on real facts but based on your imagination. The fact that you believe monkeys change into people, because monkeys have some similar traits, is just silly to any reasonable person. And also brings up the evident question that the monkeys we have today must have missed the evolution boat? Right?
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On the back of the dollar it can be folded to "look like" the twin towers burning... throw in a few more random ideas and circumstances and you have a conspiracy theory ... I think the evolution theory is the same sort of logic, not based on solid facts and real logic but based on the imagination of people who cannot accept the God of the bible.
You know the ironic thing is that while they think man is related to chimps it's actually the pig which has the flesh most similar in quality to humans. Pig parts have even been used quite frequently in modern medicine. Whereas the monkeys are actually not as compatible with the human body as one might think.
Animal organs for human transplantation: how close are we?
Animal organs for human transplantation: how close are we?
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They may look like you...not me and what does similarity prove? many things look similar?
and what does similarity prove? many things look similar?
People that believe evolution or "Darwinism" will find logic in evolution. You make the mistake that I support it? I too was with you 100% in this thread too and also think that very same thing about evolution and have asked that very same question to many hundreds of atheists, friends and even Christians alike in my lifetime too of if we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys today. Because if we evolved from Neanderthals it makes sense some of them were found but do not exist today. You see, you should not suppose and assume so quick Mr Mitspa.Another question I like to ask atheists that literally puts an elephant in the room with us is that if evolution is true and we did evolve from monkeys; then what was an elephant before it was an elephant? What did the elephants evolve from? What about the Giraffe? If evolution/Darwinism is true then what was a Giraffe BEFORE it was a Giraffe? Usually an animals lineage can be tracked right back to its ancestors and we can see what family of animals it came from. But there are no other animals like a Giraffe and the Giraffe species and design has remained unchanged as far back as we can tell. Again I agree with you. But in the same sense, by the same token, He creates things out of things throughout time. Wow you just are awash with assumptions tonight aren't you Mitspa?
For starters, religion is a man made thing. I don't follow/support/advocate or encourage any kind of religion. Religion is what causes wars, famines, poverty and strife. Religion is a tool of satan that lies to man and leads him down a path of darkness and destruction.If you want to be happy with your religion then that's your prerogative. But I will follow my Christianity which is not a religion but a reality.
I think we share some of the same believes though. I can see that you are a man of God but I also have the spirit of discernment given to me as a gift by God since birth. Who are you talking to/referring to here? I never said that. Show me where I said that. I do NOT believe that we came from monkeys. I have never said that anywhere in this thread or in my life period.
But my argument is against your argument to assume that that is "silly" to any reasonable person when its not. For starters, you need to read your bible about using the word "stupid" or "fool" and be careful where you use it. You are saying that Gods very people are "stupid" for believing something and that is NOT what Christ wants for you Mitspa. Even when the Angel Gabriel was accused by Satan he never cursed him and said you're stupid, he merely said the Lord rebuke you.
Monkeys are a part of Gods plan and will be with us always. They ARE very similar to humans and one could call you "stupid" if you stand there and say ughh no they don't. They do, a little bit. Even if they have massive eyes and funny hooters but that is the way God made them. They are also very loving but demand more respect than you are giving them!!
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I don't deal with the big post ..so I will take your points one at a time... the fact that you find certain groups with very similar traits ..suggest that the same kinds of animals can interbreed. The fact that mankind has no equal in the animal kingdom, is not evidence of evolution but evidence against evolution...and again the fact you find some similarity between all species is not evidence of evolution but of a common Creator.
You could never equate a bass and a catfish in a evolutionary process, with a man and a monkey..again that's just conspiracy type logic.
You could never equate a bass and a catfish in a evolutionary process, with a man and a monkey..again that's just conspiracy type logic.
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The rest of your post could be summed up in the understanding that your not a believer (since you say all religion is man made) and I am..and your basically trying to play both sides of the fence .... what do you believe...its easy in life to never take a stand on a issue and play the game where you never really come to the truth of matter or decide who and what you are?
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I think its ok for someone to say they don't know or are learning about an issue...but to force that condition upon others as if others cannot come to a place of truth and understanding about an issue, is just not reasonable or honest.
If you ask me why I believe the bible? I will tell you
If you ask me why evolution is silly? I will tell you
If you ask me why I believe the bible? I will tell you
If you ask me why evolution is silly? I will tell you
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Uggg how you come up with that from my posting so far in this thread is a mystery. I clearly told you that I don't believe in Darwinism/evolution as well and that I follow Christianity (Christ). Yet here you are trying to make up arguments against me as though you want someone to bash?
Yes, I have some shocking news for you Mitspa. A pill of truth that you may find hard to swallow....
ALL religions are MAN made. Christianity is NOT a religion. It's a reality.
All man made religions say you must be good to go to Heaven.
Christianity says that even though you've been bad, you can still get there anyway if you just have faith.
For it is impossible to please God without faith.
Let me reiterate for you Mitspa. I am a born again Christian. I have been since I was yay high (points to about 3 foot off the ground). I do NOT believe we evolved from monkeys. And I also agree with you 100% on virtually everything you too have also said in this thread. However some of them are open to interpretation and debate. Example. You say that there are no other animals like us (no equal) is not evolutionary evidence but in fact a case for God the creator. However you do strike me as one who doesn't really know that much about nature anyway let alone know about how one species can change rapidly and nature can "adapt" which is a form of evolution. You seem to say that your rules must be written in stone but God proves time and time again that He can change the rules at any time and puts all animals on Earth for us for a reason. Example being to learn from them, to develop technology that mimics some animals and also to confuse people or make it look like it evolved too.
Because after all, for those who don't believe it is hidden to them but to us that believe it is revealed to us.
Yes, I have some shocking news for you Mitspa. A pill of truth that you may find hard to swallow....
ALL religions are MAN made. Christianity is NOT a religion. It's a reality.
All man made religions say you must be good to go to Heaven.
Christianity says that even though you've been bad, you can still get there anyway if you just have faith.
For it is impossible to please God without faith.
Let me reiterate for you Mitspa. I am a born again Christian. I have been since I was yay high (points to about 3 foot off the ground). I do NOT believe we evolved from monkeys. And I also agree with you 100% on virtually everything you too have also said in this thread. However some of them are open to interpretation and debate. Example. You say that there are no other animals like us (no equal) is not evolutionary evidence but in fact a case for God the creator. However you do strike me as one who doesn't really know that much about nature anyway let alone know about how one species can change rapidly and nature can "adapt" which is a form of evolution. You seem to say that your rules must be written in stone but God proves time and time again that He can change the rules at any time and puts all animals on Earth for us for a reason. Example being to learn from them, to develop technology that mimics some animals and also to confuse people or make it look like it evolved too.
Because after all, for those who don't believe it is hidden to them but to us that believe it is revealed to us.
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Look im not sure what your trying to say?..other than you think evolution has some evidence in your mind but you don't believe in evolution? I have made the point again and again that the mindset of evolution is no different than those that believe in conspiracy theories ..they find silly examples of similarity and add the idea of vast periods of time to their imaginations and try to act as if that's real factual proof? Any thinking person can see this is just a con game and can see how silly it is to claim monkeys turn into people.
Adaption is not evidence of evolution...it evidence that the same kind of animals breed. We can breed in just a short period of time and get amazing differences in a dog or what ever..that's not "adaptation" thats breeding ...... no evolution involved
Adaption is not evidence of evolution...it evidence that the same kind of animals breed. We can breed in just a short period of time and get amazing differences in a dog or what ever..that's not "adaptation" thats breeding ...... no evolution involved
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Can you spot the difference?
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Me neither!
The one on the right is a proven missing link due to the carbon dating of the t shirt.
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And I am back.
From some of the posts here, I have noticed that some believe that if evolution happened and we do share a common ancestry with chimps, then the adam and eve story is pointless, and there is no purpose in the whole Jesus saving us from sin.
However this sort of reasoning doesn't make sense to me.
When I think of sin and Man's depravity, besides thinking of the adam and eve story, my mind wanders to the world wars, the hellish landscape of "No Man's Land", the holocaust, an atomic bomb going off, and many more evils. All of that happened for sure. I also believe that God is Good and Love, and that this sinful path we take is not one he wanted, therefore he allowed Jesus to die for our sins.
All that being the case, does not rest on whether or not the genesis creation stories intention is to be historically accurate.
I think a problem is that in this day and age, some people like seeing things as either "fiction or truth". A story with known mythical elements may be put to the side, and not seen by some as having important truth simply because it isn't a super historically accurate account.
But types of Truth can exist in stories besides just historical ones.
Therefore the whole God being Good, God making humans, and people starting out not evil but later fall to sin, are all truths that do not rest on whether or not the 1st humans came from dirt and a rib.
So with or without evolution, Man is still a sinful creature in need of saving from our good God.
Our bodies coming about through evolution sure does not make us sinless people who need no saving.
From some of the posts here, I have noticed that some believe that if evolution happened and we do share a common ancestry with chimps, then the adam and eve story is pointless, and there is no purpose in the whole Jesus saving us from sin.
However this sort of reasoning doesn't make sense to me.
When I think of sin and Man's depravity, besides thinking of the adam and eve story, my mind wanders to the world wars, the hellish landscape of "No Man's Land", the holocaust, an atomic bomb going off, and many more evils. All of that happened for sure. I also believe that God is Good and Love, and that this sinful path we take is not one he wanted, therefore he allowed Jesus to die for our sins.
All that being the case, does not rest on whether or not the genesis creation stories intention is to be historically accurate.
I think a problem is that in this day and age, some people like seeing things as either "fiction or truth". A story with known mythical elements may be put to the side, and not seen by some as having important truth simply because it isn't a super historically accurate account.
But types of Truth can exist in stories besides just historical ones.
Therefore the whole God being Good, God making humans, and people starting out not evil but later fall to sin, are all truths that do not rest on whether or not the 1st humans came from dirt and a rib.
So with or without evolution, Man is still a sinful creature in need of saving from our good God.
Our bodies coming about through evolution sure does not make us sinless people who need no saving.
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Actually, it must make sense. Jesus Christ is our Kinsman-redeemer. If there's no real First Adam who buggered it up for everyone, then and there's no Last Adam, Jesus Christ who comes from Adam's bloodline (like all of humanity) one who is also fully God and can redeem all of humanity, then the Gospel means nothing. It just doesn't work without a historical Adam and Eve as progenitors of humanity. You can't have your cake and eat it too. God wouldn't use something that is used to try to make sense of the world without God (evolution), for His glory, to reveal Himself to His creation. That's just silly. There's no polite way to put it. And the Holy Communion comparison is also silly. If you don't believe the Bible from the very beginning, why bother believing the rest? Where does history kick in? Who decides what is and isn't real? Practice good exegesis, not eisegesis.
Pretty much if Genesis is not true then that be saying God is a liar. The whole point of the old earth mythology is to say that God is a liar and that the Bible is a lie and that the atheists know better. God is not a liar though, the Bible is true and has vast amounts of proof. The old earth mythology however has no proof and is full of lies, even confirmed lies, and the whole thing itself is a lie.