Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.
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Not to pick on you gotime because you seem pretty nice, but do SDAs refer to their teachings as "the Truth"? In my Armstrongite circles, that was the catch phrase for the teachings of the organization, implying that others were not of "the Truth". I know that SDAs don't categorically reject others as non-Christians but do they use that phrase to refer to their own teachings?
If the organization doesn't use it, is it a common phrase used amongst the membership?
So, this phrase "the Truth" amongst Armstrongites was used like this:
I'm so glad God called me to "the Truth".
Aren't you glad that God opened your eyes to "the Truth"?
I saw some young Sabbathkeeper telling an older Sabbathkeeper the same thing in the chatroom the other day..she posted something like..well we know the Truth in a smug sort of way lol.
What they meant was their peculiar doctrines and not Jesus Christ Himself. The Truth is a Person.
If the organization doesn't use it, is it a common phrase used amongst the membership?
So, this phrase "the Truth" amongst Armstrongites was used like this:
I'm so glad God called me to "the Truth".
Aren't you glad that God opened your eyes to "the Truth"?
I saw some young Sabbathkeeper telling an older Sabbathkeeper the same thing in the chatroom the other day..she posted something like..well we know the Truth in a smug sort of way lol.
What they meant was their peculiar doctrines and not Jesus Christ Himself. The Truth is a Person.
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Not to pick on you gotime because you seem pretty nice, but do SDAs refer to their teachings as "the Truth"? In my Armstrongite circles, that was the catch phrase for the teachings of the organization, implying that others were not of "the Truth". I know that SDAs don't categorically reject others as non-Christians but do they use that phrase to refer to their own teachings?
If the organization doesn't use it, is it a common phrase used amongst the membership?
So, this phrase "the Truth" amongst Armstrongites was used like this:
I'm so glad God called me to "the Truth".
Aren't you glad that God opened your eyes to "the Truth"?
I saw some young Sabbathkeeper telling an older Sabbathkeeper the same thing in the chatroom the other day..she posted something like..well we know the Truth in a smug sort of way lol.
What they meant was their peculiar doctrines and not Jesus Christ Himself. The Truth is a Person.
If the organization doesn't use it, is it a common phrase used amongst the membership?
So, this phrase "the Truth" amongst Armstrongites was used like this:
I'm so glad God called me to "the Truth".
Aren't you glad that God opened your eyes to "the Truth"?
I saw some young Sabbathkeeper telling an older Sabbathkeeper the same thing in the chatroom the other day..she posted something like..well we know the Truth in a smug sort of way lol.
What they meant was their peculiar doctrines and not Jesus Christ Himself. The Truth is a Person.
The bottom line in all of scripture is Jesus.
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Actually they just met to discuss and fellowship on Sundays, just as some churches have a Wednesday night groups (or as one of the churches I went called it, home groups) and they discussed what they had learned from the teachings on sabbath.
Paul and Peter both observed Sabbath and taught every Sabbath.
Last I checked Peter even said for gentiles to go to synagogue on Sabbath and learn.
The apostles meeting on Sundays was nothing more than what we have today in week day church night groups.
Almost every church I've been to does that, and that's exactly what the apostles were doing.
They weren't replacing Sabbath.
And Sunday technically was initiated as a day of observance or gathering really until Constatine came around.
A good book I would suggest reading on that type of topic would be "Constatine's Sword" or "The Sword of Constantine" I can't remember what it's called. But it's a very educational book on these things, and along with it has historical facts to back it up.
Oh and on a side note.
The Holy Spirit was given to the apostles when?
On Pentecost!!!
Which for those who do not know, is a feast from Leviticus 23 :O OH NOOOO!!!! THE APOSTLES FOLLOWED THE FEASTS!!!!
Paul and Peter both observed Sabbath and taught every Sabbath.
Last I checked Peter even said for gentiles to go to synagogue on Sabbath and learn.
The apostles meeting on Sundays was nothing more than what we have today in week day church night groups.
Almost every church I've been to does that, and that's exactly what the apostles were doing.
They weren't replacing Sabbath.
And Sunday technically was initiated as a day of observance or gathering really until Constatine came around.
A good book I would suggest reading on that type of topic would be "Constatine's Sword" or "The Sword of Constantine" I can't remember what it's called. But it's a very educational book on these things, and along with it has historical facts to back it up.
Oh and on a side note.
The Holy Spirit was given to the apostles when?
On Pentecost!!!
Which for those who do not know, is a feast from Leviticus 23 :O OH NOOOO!!!! THE APOSTLES FOLLOWED THE FEASTS!!!!
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Jesus and Paul and many of the early Church were Jews, and as such observed elements of the Law. They even observed physical circumcision, as Acts 21 indicates.
By the way, the only times after the crucifixion, which initiated the New Covenant, that the Sabbath is mentioned are 8 events where Paul taught in the synagogue to the unconverted on the Sabbath, one time that he taught some Jewish unconverted people alongside the river, and Colossians 2:16-17 as well as Hebrews 4:9-10. Both Colossians 2 and Hebrews 4 are easily explainable.
There are references to festival observances in the New Testament after the New Covenant began. As mentioned, there was nothing wrong with observing the festivals.
However, as Galatians clearly teaches, as well as II Corinthians 3, Acts 15 and Romans 7:1-7, the Old Covenant is no longer in effect. That's the main point
By the way, the only times after the crucifixion, which initiated the New Covenant, that the Sabbath is mentioned are 8 events where Paul taught in the synagogue to the unconverted on the Sabbath, one time that he taught some Jewish unconverted people alongside the river, and Colossians 2:16-17 as well as Hebrews 4:9-10. Both Colossians 2 and Hebrews 4 are easily explainable.
There are references to festival observances in the New Testament after the New Covenant began. As mentioned, there was nothing wrong with observing the festivals.
However, as Galatians clearly teaches, as well as II Corinthians 3, Acts 15 and Romans 7:1-7, the Old Covenant is no longer in effect. That's the main point
I agree with that. My guess is that some people in your church refer to your beliefs collectively as The Truth and you evaded my question. I know that's the mentality of many Sabbathkeepers, as well as others who hold aberrant beliefs.
Play nice.
On the issue of truth though I would be surprised if there was a single church that did not have people that think they have the truth. In fact I would question their commitment or authenticity if they did not think they taught truth.
Jesus is the truth and His word is the Truth, anyone who is in line with that has or knows the Truth as it is in Jesus. Big issue over nothing really.
OK. So if you are telling me you have never heard a SDA refer to the teachings of the SDA church collectively as "the Truth" I will believe it.
By the way my E. Free church says in essentials unity, in non-essentials charity so they are ecumenical within the context of evangelical Christianity.
By the way my E. Free church says in essentials unity, in non-essentials charity so they are ecumenical within the context of evangelical Christianity.
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Many churches maybe, and I wouldn't attend them if more than a few oddballs thought that but I know what you mean.
I remember once being at a church convention at a restaurant and the waitress asked a couple nearby if we were all from the same denomination. The man launched into a diatribe about how we weren't a denomination......the insinuation was that we were the true church and not a Protestant denomination....blah blah blah. So much for trying to be a positive example and leaving good tips. One couple associated with us likely caused the waitress to think we were a bunch of jerks.
Anyways I think your point is you can't control what other people in your organization say, so I agree.
I remember once being at a church convention at a restaurant and the waitress asked a couple nearby if we were all from the same denomination. The man launched into a diatribe about how we weren't a denomination......the insinuation was that we were the true church and not a Protestant denomination....blah blah blah. So much for trying to be a positive example and leaving good tips. One couple associated with us likely caused the waitress to think we were a bunch of jerks.
Anyways I think your point is you can't control what other people in your organization say, so I agree.
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So did God go back to work on day 8 and then rest again on day 14 because it is blessed?
No.
Its Rest that is blessed.
Not every other 7th day.
Coming to Christ is blessed.
Receiving Rest from God is blessed.
Saturday is just another day of the week. Cartoon day...
For Christians who have come to Christ and have received Rest and are dead to the law and alive to God.
What is blessed is what God gives us, personally. Create a clean heart in me, O Lord. Cause me to follow your statutes... The lawyers and legalists fail to realize that this is a direct reference to the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit.
Our will in trying to follow these things doesn't work out. All we do is attempt to define the Spiritual so the carnal can keep it. Unless God gives it to us it is futile.
The Law is Spiritual. How is the 4th commandment of 'keeping' a sabbath every saturday spiritual? Is not murdering someone spiritual?
No.
Its Rest that is blessed.
Not every other 7th day.
Coming to Christ is blessed.
Receiving Rest from God is blessed.
Saturday is just another day of the week. Cartoon day...
For Christians who have come to Christ and have received Rest and are dead to the law and alive to God.
What is blessed is what God gives us, personally. Create a clean heart in me, O Lord. Cause me to follow your statutes... The lawyers and legalists fail to realize that this is a direct reference to the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit.
Our will in trying to follow these things doesn't work out. All we do is attempt to define the Spiritual so the carnal can keep it. Unless God gives it to us it is futile.
The Law is Spiritual. How is the 4th commandment of 'keeping' a sabbath every saturday spiritual? Is not murdering someone spiritual?
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You quoted all old test scriptures relating to the Sabbath as if we are no longer of a new covenant with a forever High priest.
The Apostles who walked with Jesus, who were baptized by the Holy Ghost on Pentecost as Jesus said to wait for of which then before churches existed Jesus who said I am LORD of the Sabbath, I will BUILD MY church then authorized Apostles to set up Elders in local towns Initiating this ONE church WHO ALL MET ON THE F I R S T DAY OFTHE WEEK AS THEY ALSO SET ASIDE THIER EARNINGS TO BE TAKEN UP ON THIS F I R S T DAY.
ARE YOU OF THE OLD COVENT SYNAGOGE OR THE CHURCH OF CHRIST?
The Apostles who walked with Jesus, who were baptized by the Holy Ghost on Pentecost as Jesus said to wait for of which then before churches existed Jesus who said I am LORD of the Sabbath, I will BUILD MY church then authorized Apostles to set up Elders in local towns Initiating this ONE church WHO ALL MET ON THE F I R S T DAY OFTHE WEEK AS THEY ALSO SET ASIDE THIER EARNINGS TO BE TAKEN UP ON THIS F I R S T DAY.
ARE YOU OF THE OLD COVENT SYNAGOGE OR THE CHURCH OF CHRIST?
He “blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it”!
What does “sanctified” mean? Look in your dictionary.
It means “set apart, for holy use or purpose.” He set apart this day
from other days—set it apart for holy use—for a day of physical rest,
in which His people may assemble and worship God!
Acts 16:12-15: Here we find Paul and Silas at Philippi.
And “we were in that city abiding certain days. And on the sabbath we
went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made,
and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of
purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us:
whose heart the Lord opened …. And … she was baptized ….”
Here Paul and his companions waited until the Sabbath, and then
went to a place of worship, and preached,and this woman, probably a Gentile,
was converted.
The passage indicates it was the custom to meet there on the Sabbath,
and that it was custom for Paul and his companions to go to a place
of prayer and worship when the Sabbath day came.
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach
him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day” (verse 21).
The law of Moses—the first five books of the Bible—
was being taught in the synagogues every Sabbath day.
Acts 18:1-11: “After these things Paul departed from Athens,
and came to Corinth; And found a certain Jew named
Aquila … with his wife Priscilla … and came unto them. And
because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and
wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded
the Jews and the Greeks.”
Here Paul worked weekdays, but went to church and taught
Gentiles as well as Jews every Sabbath.
when the Jews became offended and blasphemed, he turned away from
the Jews altogether, and from then on preached to Gentiles only (verse 6),
and he continued there a year and six months (verse 11)—working weekdays
—preaching to Gentiles ONLY—every Sabbath!
To these Gentile-born at Corinth, Paul commanded:
“Be yefollowers of me, even as I also am of Christ” (1 Corinthians 11:1).
And Paul “as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days
reasoned with them out of the scriptures” (Acts17:2).
It was his manner, his custom, a total of 84 different Sabbaths Paul is shown
specifically to have kept. Did he follow Jesus in this? Why, certainly!
As was Jesus’s custom… went into the synagogue on the sabbath day. Paul followed Him,
and commanded the Gentile converts to follow him, even as he followed Christ.
Worship God in spirit and in truth? Jesus said plainly: “[T]hy word is truth.”
God’s Word is the Bible! The Bible authorizes only the Sabbath as God’s
weekly holy day for joint assembly and worship.
We read, in Acts 7:38, that those Israelites “received the lively oracles
to give unto us” —for us who, under the New Testament, are Christians
Christ said, in the sermon on the mount: “Think not that I am come
to destroy the law,” so professing Christians think He did come to destroy it!
The Bible is the authority of God! What authority do people have for Sunday?
What does “sanctified” mean? Look in your dictionary.
It means “set apart, for holy use or purpose.” He set apart this day
from other days—set it apart for holy use—for a day of physical rest,
in which His people may assemble and worship God!
Acts 16:12-15: Here we find Paul and Silas at Philippi.
And “we were in that city abiding certain days. And on the sabbath we
went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made,
and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of
purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us:
whose heart the Lord opened …. And … she was baptized ….”
Here Paul and his companions waited until the Sabbath, and then
went to a place of worship, and preached,and this woman, probably a Gentile,
was converted.
The passage indicates it was the custom to meet there on the Sabbath,
and that it was custom for Paul and his companions to go to a place
of prayer and worship when the Sabbath day came.
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach
him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day” (verse 21).
The law of Moses—the first five books of the Bible—
was being taught in the synagogues every Sabbath day.
Acts 18:1-11: “After these things Paul departed from Athens,
and came to Corinth; And found a certain Jew named
Aquila … with his wife Priscilla … and came unto them. And
because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and
wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded
the Jews and the Greeks.”
Here Paul worked weekdays, but went to church and taught
Gentiles as well as Jews every Sabbath.
when the Jews became offended and blasphemed, he turned away from
the Jews altogether, and from then on preached to Gentiles only (verse 6),
and he continued there a year and six months (verse 11)—working weekdays
—preaching to Gentiles ONLY—every Sabbath!
To these Gentile-born at Corinth, Paul commanded:
“Be yefollowers of me, even as I also am of Christ” (1 Corinthians 11:1).
And Paul “as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days
reasoned with them out of the scriptures” (Acts17:2).
It was his manner, his custom, a total of 84 different Sabbaths Paul is shown
specifically to have kept. Did he follow Jesus in this? Why, certainly!
As was Jesus’s custom… went into the synagogue on the sabbath day. Paul followed Him,
and commanded the Gentile converts to follow him, even as he followed Christ.
Worship God in spirit and in truth? Jesus said plainly: “[T]hy word is truth.”
God’s Word is the Bible! The Bible authorizes only the Sabbath as God’s
weekly holy day for joint assembly and worship.
We read, in Acts 7:38, that those Israelites “received the lively oracles
to give unto us” —for us who, under the New Testament, are Christians
Christ said, in the sermon on the mount: “Think not that I am come
to destroy the law,” so professing Christians think He did come to destroy it!
The Bible is the authority of God! What authority do people have for Sunday?