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Individually, most of them had nothing to do with Christ's death. Peter was speaking of their corporate responsibility as a nation. They heard/hearkened, obeyed and believed just like Cornelius did.
Obviously Peter thought they were responsible for Christ being crucified, whereas it is highly doubtful Cornelius would have attended Christs crucifixion.
Even Pilate who sentanced Jesus to death was not committing the greater sin by doing so, but rather the people who took Jesus to Pilate were, alongside the people( most of them) whom when asked who to release to them shouted back. Barrabas
 
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Repentance is always needed!....repentance is changing the mind to turn to God.

Cornelius did not have the righteousness of Christ...he needed to get saved just like all of us.
The whole point was to show that the "repent" was not preached either in Peter's case or in Paul's case..it is not in the preaching of the gospel...we preach Christ and Him crucified.

It is hard for us to think in terms of "people not repenting"..but in reality they are repenting because they are "changing their minds ) and turning to God. I know..becasue it messed with my head when I first heard it....lol
Cornelius was already walking according to what he understood of Gods ways, not in rebellion to them. He readily accepted from Peter the good news he had not previously been taught
 
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Just take all those scriptures that say "repent" and put in the meaning of the word ( changing the mind )..and it all becomes clear.

I showed where the gospel was preached by Peter and Paul and "repentance" word was not used..did they "repent" and believe in Jesus and turn to Him..yes!!..Praise God!

The gospel does not demand faith....it supplies in! With the word of Christ comes the seed of the life of God and we respond with our hearts. We trust Him. We repent!

It is hard for us when we have been told all our religious things that are contradictory to them...It offend us ( as it did me too..we are all in the same boat in this area )

..but we need to be willing to look at what the word of God actually does say about all situations. There are many "sacred cows" that need to be sacrificed and it hurts but it brings life to us afterward. We preach Christ!!

Colossians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.


This is childish and insane.

The whole of scripture is about sin, the sin of man in their hearts, their lack of understanding and communion with the Lord, their desire to follow their lusts which lead to death.

The temple is about recognition of sin, and offering sacrifices to take away the punishment and effect of sins.

The gospel is preached "Repent and believe"

But now repentance is old covenant and new covenant because the writer did not say they repented, it means you just need to change you mind about God and believe.

This is so simple and so simply wrong.

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."
Acts 2:38


In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
Acts 17:30


I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
Acts 20:21


he Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9


Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
Rev 2:5


I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
Rev 2:21


The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Rev 9:20

Repentance is preached before Jesus, by Jesus and after Jesus. If anyone cannot simply read this consistency then they no longer understand language meaning. But hey, if you cannot understand this and have a spirit of blindness, who am I to suggest the Lord has not given you over to spiritual blindness.
 
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True...but he still needed to "repent"..if he didn't change his mind about believing in Christ's sacrificed...he would have remained a good moral religious man....but wihout Christ in him....



Cornelius was already walking according to what he understood of Gods ways, not in rebellion to them. He readily accepted from Peter the good news he had not previously been taught
 
Nov 22, 2015
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those jews religious people were definitely stiff-necked...lol

This man was handed over to YOU by Gods set purpose and foreknowledge ; and YOU with the help of wicked men put him to death by nailing him to the cross
Acts2:23

Would the above not be something to repent of?

Was Cornelius, a gentile ultimately responsible for Christ being crucified?
 
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The argument is subtle.

Man is powerless to break the slavery to sin, therefore repentance, ie turning from sin is impossible.
Now Jesus proclaims it is now possible through Him.

Unfortunately the realities are the same before Jesus and after Jesus. The only difference is rather than the light shining only in being part of Israel, it now is fully expanded in walking in love in terms of Jesus.

Was David regarded as righteous? It appears so. Did he still fail and sin? Yes. But critically when confronted with sin, he repented.

Walking in righteousness was clearly defined within the limitations of Israel and the law before Jesus came. It was one expression of love and care, one way within a state that you could express fair dealing and justice. Though there was love shone here it was not so personal, and one to one. This intimacy was only possible by the high priest.

Through Jesus the limitations disappeared, because love through the cross, the servant King was fully realised.
Love through the cross is the expression of total acceptability, as long as you understand what it is implying. Righteousness matters above all else on a personal caring level, your attitudes, the way you exalt and bring down those around you.

It appears for many the feeling of failure is actual failure rather than the starting point of where Jesus steps in.
The answer given is deny the failure and then their is no problem, rather than bring oneself to the point of failure and then reach out to the cross and love and see things changed. I know this happens because it has for me.

Imagine glass blocks before your eyes. One is hatred and bitterness, one is clear, one is love. Someone does something to you. All you can feel and do when looking at this situation is look through hatred and bitterness. Ofcourse everytime you look through this way, it reinforces your failure. But when you forgive and put away hatred and bitterness and look clearly at what is happening, and then bring love into it, everything changes.

It is always amazing how our emotional bias colours how we regard actions or people, and leads to our failure. But it is very much a choice of ones heart. Finding out the things that stop us choosing these views, is what spiritual maturity is all about. But what is being said here is the opposite of spiritual reality, it is ignoring what is actually going on, and just ignoring failure at all, so you stay in darkness, as lost as you every were, not knowing why the failure never goes away.
 
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True...but he still needed to "repent"..if he didn't change his mind about believing in Christ's sacrificed...he would have remained a good moral religious man....but wihout Christ in him....
I am not sure why you continue with this point. If someone asks forgiveness for their previous lifestyle when they come to Christ does that bar them from following the true gospel of grace? I am sure it doesn't. However, the more you promote this belief, the more excuse you give people to reject your core views of grace which is a shame.
I remember when I was nineteen sitting in a park one day. I had been away from the lord for four years due to not understanding the truth of grace. It is strange how God uses different things to convict us. I heard children, no more than eight in the park using foul language. It hit me how far society had fallen if children at that young age acted Tha way.
I wasn't an emotional person then, but I started crying, I couldn't stop. I suddenly felt wretched for the wrong I had done in my life. It took me 2 hours to walk home and i cried all the way there.
When i got home i committed what to you would be doctrinal error. I asked forgiveness for how I had lived the past four years and had much peace by doing so.
Now I know, you don't change your mind. And you would argue this point for a week if I kept debating it with you, which i won't. So I would suggest you simply pray that i become as enlightened as you are on this point that seems to mean so much to you.
Personally I don't believe stressing the opinion you are doing benefits the true gospel of grace, but I accept that is just my opinion
 
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Amen!..sin is destructive and destroys our lives, those we love and all those around us. We live by the philosophies of the world and wonder why we are not experiencing this "life and life more abundantly" Jesus talked about. It's all about refusing our old way of thinking..and coming to Him and trusting in His finished work ( we are repenting )

Thank God for our great salvation in Jesus.

When we see Jesus..we see ourselves as in a mirror and we are changed by the Spirit..to walk in who we are in Him now. 2 Cor3:18


We are saved by His life in us!..we have His righteousness!

We have a good, good Father.

The argument is subtle.

Man is powerless to break the slavery to sin, therefore repentance, ie turning from sin is impossible.
Now Jesus proclaims it is now possible through Him.

Unfortunately the realities are the same before Jesus and after Jesus. The only difference is rather than the light shining only in being part of Israel, it now is fully expanded in walking in love in terms of Jesus.

Was David regarded as righteous? It appears so. Did he still fail and sin? Yes. But critically when confronted with sin, he repented.

Walking in righteousness was clearly defined within the limitations of Israel and the law before Jesus came. It was one expression of love and care, one way within a state that you could express fair dealing and justice. Though there was love shone here it was not so personal, and one to one. This intimacy was only possible by the high priest.

Through Jesus the limitations disappeared, because love through the cross, the servant King was fully realised.
Love through the cross is the expression of total acceptability, as long as you understand what it is implying. Righteousness matters above all else on a personal caring level, your attitudes, the way you exalt and bring down those around you.

It appears for many the feeling of failure is actual failure rather than the starting point of where Jesus steps in.
The answer given is deny the failure and then their is no problem, rather than bring oneself to the point of failure and then reach out to the cross and love and see things changed. I know this happens because it has for me.

Imagine glass blocks before your eyes. One is hatred and bitterness, one is clear, one is love. Someone does something to you. All you can feel and do when looking at this situation is look through hatred and bitterness. Ofcourse everytime you look through this way, it reinforces your failure. But when you forgive and put away hatred and bitterness and look clearly at what is happening, and then bring love into it, everything changes.

It is always amazing how our emotional bias colours how we regard actions or people, and leads to our failure. But it is very much a choice of ones heart. Finding out the things that stop us choosing these views, is what spiritual maturity is all about. But what is being said here is the opposite of spiritual reality, it is ignoring what is actually going on, and just ignoring failure at all, so you stay in darkness, as lost as you every were, not knowing why the failure never goes away.
 
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james..I was merely pointing out about what repentance means when preaching the gospel....how that it means to change our thinking about things..nobody is promoting to go and sin all you want...

.nobody said anything about not asking for forgiveness....you are "reading" into that...nobody is accusing you of anything ....nobody said you didn't know about grace or how to talk with your loving Father

I was like you..I too had a wonderful experience from the Lord when He revealed HIs grace to me..I couldn't move in His presence and wept at His great love for me! The Lord is so good to us! he loves us dearly!

I am not sure why you continue with this point. If someone asks forgiveness for their previous lifestyle when they come to Christ does that bar them from following the true gospel of grace? I am sure it doesn't. However, the more you promote this belief, the more excuse you give people to reject your core views of grace which is a shame.
I remember when I was nineteen sitting in a park one day. I had been away from the lord for four years due to not understanding the truth of grace. It is strange how God uses different things to convict us. I heard children, no more than eight in the park using foul language. It hit me how far society had fallen if children at that young age acted Tha way.
I wasn't an emotional person then, but I started crying, I couldn't stop. I suddenly felt wretched for the wrong I had done in my life. It took me 2 hours to walk home and i cried all the way there.
When i got home i committed what to you would be doctrinal error. I asked forgiveness for how I had lived the past four years and had much peace by doing so.
Now I know, you don't change your mind. And you would argue this point for a week if I kept debating it with you, which i won't. So I would suggest you simply pray that i become as enlightened as you are on this point that seems to mean so much to you.
Personally I don't believe stressing the opinion you are doing benefits the true gospel of grace, but I accept that is just my opinion
 
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james..I was merely pointing out about what repentance means when preaching the gospel....how that it means to change our thinking about things..nobody is promoting to go and sin all you want...

.nobody said anything about not asking for forgiveness....

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Ah so you do believe in asking God's forgiveness. I apologise, I completely misunderstood what you were saying.
 
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When i got home i committed what to you would be doctrinal error. I asked forgiveness for how I had lived the past four years and had much peace by doing so.
This is the essence of repentance. It is what people have been doing since forever.

Now however people construct theology around such issues, it is our conscience, our sense of doing the right thing that matters. Paul was constantly talking about his conscience and walking righteously.

Now the whole point about the gospel is the people of God walk in righteousness. That is the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their lives. The debate is always is this "perfection" or sinless etc. but this language assumes two issues. Perfection is linguistically linked to aspirations of individuals which are often not the Lords, and sinless for many is often thought of as no fleshly thoughts, no desires or trials and temptations which is not what sinless actually means, but not doing sinful acts.

Quite rightly pride in walking in righteousness is a trap, as it is powered by love through Jesus. But many would claim it is actually impossible, but I would now hold, it is possible, and Paul and the apostles would say they walked righteously.

What you may not realise is I do understand how hard this is, as a goal, but that is the point, it is the goal. But the core issue is expressing love through service, meeting need through a servant heart.

Somehow this aspiration or desire for holiness has been morphed into legalism, and the gospel is about grace and not looking at behaviour at all. It is this step that I call heresy, and changing reality, which is reflected in the view of two covenants.

As soon as someone says Jesus's words are the old covenant, they fail. All Jesus's words were written down as light for what the covenant between man and God was through Jesus, it was all about the present not something past.
 
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I most definitely believe in talking to your heavenly Father about everything..when I sin , I say to Him.." Father that was a sin..that was wrong and not who I am in Christ. Thank you that the blood of Your Son and my Lord Jesus has taken it away...I love You!..Jesus is my righteousness!"

I confess who I am in Christ because of what He has done.

I think the confusion comes in when grace-based teaching says that we do not need to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven in the New Covenant...they think that we never acknowledge sin or that it is ok to act that way..etc This is definitely not the case. People "read' that into it.

Even Joseph Prince the heretic..( just teasin' ) believes in confessing sins. Here is a short video if interested..:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUrua961Nk

Ah so you do believe in asking God's forgiveness. I apologise, I completely misunderstood what you were saying.
 
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This is the essence of repentance. It is what people have been doing since forever.

Now however people construct theology around such issues, it is our conscience, our sense of doing the right thing that matters. Paul was constantly talking about his conscience and walking righteously.

Now the whole point about the gospel is the people of God walk in righteousness. That is the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their lives. The debate is always is this "perfection" or sinless etc. but this language assumes two issues. Perfection is linguistically linked to aspirations of individuals which are often not the Lords, and sinless for many is often thought of as no fleshly thoughts, no desires or trials and temptations which is not what sinless actually means, but not doing sinful acts.

Quite rightly pride in walking in righteousness is a trap, as it is powered by love through Jesus. But many would claim it is actually impossible, but I would now hold, it is possible, and Paul and the apostles would say they walked righteously.

What you may not realise is I do understand how hard this is, as a goal, but that is the point, it is the goal. But the core issue is expressing love through service, meeting need through a servant heart.

Somehow this aspiration or desire for holiness has been morphed into legalism, and the gospel is about grace and not looking at behaviour at all. It is this step that I call heresy, and changing reality, which is reflected in the view of two covenants.

As soon as someone says Jesus's words are the old covenant, they fail. All Jesus's words were written down as light for what the covenant between man and God was through Jesus, it was all about the present not something past.

You have spoken of what you see as the error of many who speak of grace.
I will tell you why I view Grace as I do, why I stress what I do of the subject.

I was raised in a Pentecostal/Evangelical church. When I was ten I responded to an altar call, and a kindly man chatted to me and told me my name was written in the Lambs book of life. I had no doubt it was. I knew at that moment in time my sins were forgiven I stood spotless in God's sight because Jesus died for me.
The impression I received at the church was(for no one taught otherwise) Jesus died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion, now it was up to me to ensure I lived a good and holy life if I wanted to attain Heaven. Though I did not see it this way at the time obviously, I set out to obey God's good and holy laws, believing heaven hinged on obedience to them.
IE
Don't get angry
Don't lie
Be kind to others
Don't lust.

Now the church said it stood full square on the bible, and kept stressing this, but here I was in reality trying to attain Heaven as did Paul the Pharisee tried to. How can I be sure of this? Because the following is how I ended up:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Rom 7:7-11

I could have repeated the above word for word when I was growing up. I used to look back to the time before I responded to that altar call, I had felt alive then, for the law had not yet come to me, I had been a happy young lad, but when it did come sin(consciousness) sprang to life and I died(spiritually) The commandment I believed would give me life if I obeyed it, instead brought death(condemnation)for I could not keep it)

I knew the problem was not God's good and holy laws, but rather my sin.

So you speak of errors you believe people have who speak of grace. Do you not believe churches have error, even evangelical churches if they leave people in reality trying to attain Heaven as Paul the Pharisee did?
 
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I hear what you are saying Peter.

Nobody who I have heard that teaches about living by the gospel of the grace of Christ says you can go out and do what you want. That sin is ok..that God does not care about your behavior. That the life of Christ does not lead you to walk righteously and holy in this present world. That you will not now love other people and give yourself to help others through the compassion of our Lord inside us.

The grace of Christ and those that teach it say the exact opposite of what they are accused of saying. I don't know how many times that needs to be said before it is understood.

I think what happens is that we "read' stuff into what was said and some of it is because it is going against what we were taught in church and that offends us.

We all agree what the Christians life should look like.... The question remains = does this outward life come by what we do?...or by believing in Christ and His finished work?

Here is the difference between the two "ways'

It is actually very easy to identify the difference between the Old Covenant and New Covenant teachings. Just ask yourself ..IF the teaching is putting emphasis on what you have to do or what Jesus has already done? Does it make you introspective, always looking at yourself and how you fared or failed?..or does it turn your eyes away from yourself to look upon Jesus?

This is the essence of repentance. It is what people have been doing since forever.

Now however people construct theology around such issues, it is our conscience, our sense of doing the right thing that matters. Paul was constantly talking about his conscience and walking righteously.

Now the whole point about the gospel is the people of God walk in righteousness. That is the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their lives. The debate is always is this "perfection" or sinless etc. but this language assumes two issues. Perfection is linguistically linked to aspirations of individuals which are often not the Lords, and sinless for many is often thought of as no fleshly thoughts, no desires or trials and temptations which is not what sinless actually means, but not doing sinful acts.

Quite rightly pride in walking in righteousness is a trap, as it is powered by love through Jesus. But many would claim it is actually impossible, but I would now hold, it is possible, and Paul and the apostles would say they walked righteously.

What you may not realise is I do understand how hard this is, as a goal, but that is the point, it is the goal. But the core issue is expressing love through service, meeting need through a servant heart.

Somehow this aspiration or desire for holiness has been morphed into legalism, and the gospel is about grace and not looking at behaviour at all. It is this step that I call heresy, and changing reality, which is reflected in the view of two covenants.

As soon as someone says Jesus's words are the old covenant, they fail. All Jesus's words were written down as light for what the covenant between man and God was through Jesus, it was all about the present not something past.
 
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I most definitely believe in talking to your heavenly Father about everything..when I sin , I say to Him.." Father that was a sin..that was wrong and not who I am in Christ. Thank you that the blood of Your Son and my Lord Jesus has taken it away...I love You!..Jesus is my righteousness!"

I confess who I am in Christ because of what He has done.

I think the confusion comes in when grace-based teaching says that we do not need to ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven in the New Covenant...they think that we never acknowledge sin or that it is ok to act that way..etc This is definitely not the case. People "read' that into it.

Even Joseph Prince the heretic..( just teasin' ) believes in confessing sins. Here is a short video if interested..:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUrua961Nk
I am genuinely unsure as to what you believe, but it is not important. Many preach grace and believe in seeking forgiveness for wilfull, deliberate sins. You I think take a different view, which you are entitled to.
 
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I had the exact same experience james.I kneeled down by my bed and received Christ by myself. I had a new life the next day..even the sky was bluer..grass was greener..a peace without any understanding.

The worse thing that happened to me was I went to church and I had a Galatians experience like you described. Come on..work for God..don't you love God? You have to obey all His commandments ( which to them meant..don't drink or smoke ..come to church..do whatever the pastor says..if you don't invite to church you are damning them..all kinds of
spiritual abuse" like that )

Now, these were good, sincere people that loved the Lord but they had the zeal for God without any knowledge of Him. I love those people.

I have tried numerous times to "do" that religion with a sincerity of my heart ..but I just couldn't do it. I found that it was a very poor substitute for knowing Jesus and what really happened to us in the gospel of grace.

I remember the day the Lord woke me up in the morning and gave me a verse on grace. From that day on for over a month, He gave me scriptures in my spirit..all about grace. I never heard about anyone teaching this grace of Christ until a few months after wards.

I am. because of this grace of Christ..more in love with the Father and Jesus then I thought was even possible...more loving to others...live a more "holier life" then before...ic an never go back to that or any other religion. He is Lord!

You have spoken of what you see as the error of many who speak of grace.
I will tell you why I view Grace as I do, why I stress what I do of the subject.

I was raised in a Pentecostal/Evangelical church. When I was ten I responded to an altar call, and a kindly man chatted to me and told me my name was written in the Lambs book of life. I had no doubt it was. I knew at that moment in time my sins were forgiven I stood spotless in God's sight because Jesus died for me.
The impression I received at the church was(for no one taught otherwise) Jesus died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion, now it was up to me to ensure I lived a good and holy life if I wanted to attain Heaven. Though I did not see it this way at the time obviously, I set out to obey God's good and holy laws, believing heaven hinged on obedience to them.
IE
Don't get angry
Don't lie
Be kind to others
Don't lust.

Now the church said it stood full square on the bible, and kept stressing this, but here I was in reality trying to attain Heaven as did Paul the Pharisee tried to. How can I be sure of this? Because the following is how I ended up:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Rom 7:7-11

I could have repeated the above word for word when I was growing up. I used to look back to the time before I responded to that altar call, I had felt alive then, for the law had not yet come to me, I had been a happy young lad, but when it did come sin(consciousness) sprang to life and I died(spiritually) The commandment I believed would give me life if I obeyed it, instead brought death(condemnation)for I could not keep it)

I knew the problem was not God's good and holy laws, but rather my sin.

So you speak of errors you believe people have who speak of grace. Do you not believe churches have error, even evangelical churches if they leave people in reality trying to attain Heaven as Paul the Pharisee did?
 
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Just take all those scriptures that say "repent" and put in the meaning of the word ( changing the mind )..and it all becomes clear.

I showed where the gospel was preached by Peter and Paul and "repentance" word was not used..did they "repent" and believe in Jesus and turn to Him..yes!!..Praise God!

The gospel does not demand faith....it supplies in! With the word of Christ comes the seed of the life of God and we respond with our hearts. We trust Him. We repent!

It is hard for us when we have been told all our religious things that are contradictory to them...It offend us ( as it did me too..we are all in the same boat in this area )

..but we need to be willing to look at what the word of God actually does say about all situations. There are many "sacred cows" that need to be sacrificed and it hurts but it brings life to us afterward. We preach Christ!!

Colossians 2:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.




When I first heard the Gospel in the 80s I was very sorry for my sins and accepted Jesus as the remedy for them. Being sorry for our sins is normal. For many years after that I went through the same process of confessing every sin I could think of., every wrong feeling and emotion. Soon I realized what you are saying Grace777., we now HAVE forgiveness of sins because of Jesus. We daily change our minds to do things His way., our minds are continually changing and we are continually transformed. This is not by our crying., deep depression., crawling on all fours showing God how sorry we are and trying to 'pay' for our forgiveness. No., now we accept what Jesus has already done and REST in Him by faith.

Much can get lost in so many posts. As saved people, we claim what Jesus has already done and learn to walk in Him.,not our righteousness but His IMPUTED righteousness. That is what pleases God. Not our contriteness, not our bloodied knees as we rate our sorry points. No, Jesus has done the suffering already and we are to rest in what He has already paid for.
 
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There are two types of sin
One type is the sin you commit because you cannot be perfect in the flesh. You are a work in progress as a christian all your life.
You can be led of the holy spirit in the truth of the Gospel message and still sin( though it would be blasphemy to believe the holy spirit would lead you to commit sin) gal 2:15-18 explains this.
However, there is wilfull, deliberate sin when we choose to step outside of being a work in progress and do not follow after the holy spirit I the truth of the Gospel message. The two must be viewed very differently.
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I sleep with a married woman who has three children. Her husband leaves her because of it. The children now do not have their father living with then because of their actions. You can say i should simply repent by having a change of heart, but few would agree with that view. In my spirit I couldn't, and most seem to think I promote a licence to sin!

When you are led by the spirit you are not under lawGal5:18

That must be read in context I hope my two examples show that
 
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I went through a phrase with grace of believing no law existed except two laws. A christian man on a website told me that was blasphemy. And he believed in grace!. Of course I did the natural thing and argued( debated) with him that I was right. But I wasn't right, I know that now. It isn't a legalistic law, a law we concentrate on, or even need think of if we are following after the holy spirit, for the spirit will not lead us into conflict with any of the good and holy laws of God.
We think of the law that still exists if we wilfully step aside from following after the holy spirit and break it.
An example would be stealing. I never think of that commandment for I do not steal, however the proof that law has not been done away with I because if I did actually commit theft I would have heartfelt conviction I had sinned by doing so.

We must be careful not to go overboard. Grace is potent enough to change lives on its own!
 
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I went through a phrase with grace of believing no law existed except two laws. A christian man on a website told me that was blasphemy. And he believed in grace!. Of course I did the natural thing and argued( debated) with him that I was right. But I wasn't right, I know that now. It isn't a legalistic law, a law we concentrate on, or even need think of if we are following after the holy spirit, for the spirit will not lead us into conflict with any of the good and holy laws of God.
We think of the law that still exists if we wilfully step aside from following after the holy spirit and break it.
An example would be stealing. I never think of that commandment for I do not steal, however the proof that law has not been done away with I because if I did actually commit theft I would have heartfelt conviction I had sinned by doing so.

We must be careful not to go overboard. Grace is potent enough to change lives on its own!
AMEN, AMEN,AMEN !!!

Thank you God another who understands now !!!