Is the Devil bound right now...?

DiscipleDave · Dec 13, 2015

Valiant says that Jesus said that satan is bound, then gives the Scriptures that valiant says backs up the statement. Let us now go to Matthew 12:28-29 and see if Scriptures teaches that satan is bound.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

These are the verses you use to back up YOUR teaching that Jesus said satan is bound right now? Seriously? This verse does not say or teach that the strong man is PERMANENTLY bound either, YOU say and teach HE permanently bound him. The strong man is temporarily bound, so as to spoil his house, this does not mean or even teach that the strong man is permanently bound for thousands of years as you teach. YOU interpret this verse to mean PERMANENTLY, which the verse does not say or even imply that it is. YOU teach that to back up YOUR own belief that satan is bound PERMANENTLY from the time of Jesus till now, YOUR BELIEF.

Jesus can bind satan at any time He so chooses, He is the Son of God. Jesus can and does bind satan concerning many things, But you teach that satan is bound right now, this Jesus did not teach, nor does Scriptures teach that false doctrine. A strong man may be bound in order to spoil his house, this is TRUE, but that does not mean the strong man is permanently bound as YOU teach. You do error in changing Scriptures in such a way to fit into your own doctrine which you hold dear. Refusing to change it, even when Scriptures reveal you should.

Here is the TRUTH.

Scriptures does not teach satan is bound for more than a thousand years, Valiant and others teach that.
Scriptures does not teach that Jesus bound satan PERMANENTLY even till today, Valiant and others teach that.

Valiant and others, teach that satan is bound from the time of Jesus till now.
Scriptures teach that he is NOT bound. Consider:

Act_5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Apparently Peter did not know satan was bound. Scriptures teach it was satan, Valiant has to teach it was not satan but his minions, or teach that satan was released for a moment to accomplish this deed.

1Co_7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Paul also must not have had knowledge that satan was bound after Jesus, for he plainly warns us about the temptations of satan, i guess satan is released from being bound any time he wants to, else why would the Apostle Paul warn us about SATAN.

2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Why even say this, if satan is bound and can't appear to anyone as an angel of light?

1Th_2:18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

Who, according to the Word of God itself hindered them? Satan. Strange thing to say from the Apostle Paul, if he had knowledge that satan could not have possibly have hindered them, because satan is bound according to Valiant, but not according to the Apostle Paul, who plainly taught that it was satan that hindered them. So was satan released AGAIN from being bound? Believe the Scriptures not Vailiant.

Rev_20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

No interpretation needed. "When the thousand years are expired, satan shall be released" leave it to the last days generation to Change Scriptures via their own interpretations.

Verdict:

Believe the Word of God and what it says and teaches. Do not believe people who teach things contrary to the Word of God.

^i^

Bowman · Dec 13, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

If you are truly the prophet of God, like you repeatedly insist that you are, then show us the term for '1K' used in Rev 20.

Simple enough request...

Ahwatukee · Dec 13, 2015

The above is a perfect example of the distortion of Scripture. Below is the scripture in that Valiant quoted as referring to Satan being bound:

"If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. “Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house."

First of all, nowhere in the scripture above is there any reference to Satan being bound in the Abyss for a thousand years, it is implied by Valiant and Amil's. The "binding" of the strong man, was Jesus response to the Pharisees and religious leaders who said that he was casting out demons by the prince of demons. Therefore, the binding that Jesus was talking about is that, before a demon could be cast out, Satan's power/authority had to be suppressed by one with greater power and authority. Therefore, the scripture above has no relevance to Satan being bound in the Abyss for a thousand years, but has to do with suppressing his power and that by the power of God when casting out demons, in keeping within the meaning of the context.

Bowman · Dec 13, 2015

Ahwatukee said:

There are plenty of scriptural examples for Satan being already bound.

Your position has only ONE verse upon which you build an entire doctrine.

You are an example of what cults do...

ukok102nak · Dec 14, 2015

Bowman said:

:smoke: and again my brother
:now: you can easily see that this has everything to do
falling into the trap of being Judged by your understanding, of which,
Satan has already been
done unto your own thoughts ... . . . :haha:

This passage is a predicament of Judgment
according from your interpretation ....NOT a declaration of Satan's authority..
:rofl: as you say and
not the scriptures
:read:
2 Timothy 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God possibly will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

wolfwint · Dec 14, 2015

Bowman said:

Bowman, i must say till know you could not show us. You put your meaning into those verses and this helps not if you want to teach the truth.

ukok102nak · Dec 14, 2015

Bowman said:

:smoke: and again my brother
:now: you can easily see that this has everything to do
falling into the trap of being Judged by your understanding, of which,
Satan has already been
done unto your own thoughts ... . . . :haha:

This passage is a predicament of Judgment
according from your interpretation ....NOT a declaration of Satan's authority..
:rofl: as you say and
not the scriptures
:read:
2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
*
*
*
... .
25*In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God possibly will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26*And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
~:» AS YOU CAN SEE AGAIN AND HOPE YOU SEE
THE TRUTH
THE APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES SAULO ESTE PABLO OR PAUL WROTE THIS LETTERS TO TIMOTHY TO GAVE WARNINGS TO THOSE REMAINING TRUE CHRISTIANS DURING THEIR TIME THAT SOME OF THEIR FELLOWS WERE GIVEN UNTO SATAN TSK TSK
:read:
1 Timothy 1:18
This charge I commit unto you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on you, that you by them might war a good warfare;
19*Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
20*Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

~:› AND IT HAPPENED AFTER CHRIST WENT TO HEAVEN
MEANING
YOU DONT JUST JUMP INTO CONCLUSION
MY BROTHER BOWMAN
BECAUSE EVEN
If you look at the five Greek locations of this word (and its inflections), you can easily see that this has everything to do falling into the trap of being Judged, of which, Satan has already been.
`∞` REMEMBER IT IS YOUR WORDS
WHO MISLEAD YOU ALL ALONG
FOR THOSE WORDS OF YOURS WERE JUST EMPTY
WHICH CAME FROM
YOUR SEEKING SAME LETTER BY LETTER ONLY
INTO THE SCRIPTURES
WITHOUT READING THE WHOLE CHAPTER FIRST :sigh:
:read:
2 Corinthians 4:2
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
* REMEMBER ALWAYS THIS MY BROTHER BOWMAN
FOR THIS ARE WORDS WE'VE LEARNED FROM THEM
NOT BY MEANS OF TRANSLATIONS ONLY
BUT BY SEEKING FIRST THE THE TRUTH
INSIDE OUR HEART AND SOUL

even though we may not
good as those people who were
known as schoolars of the scriptures
:sisid: WHETHER THEY STUDIED IT THROUGH
A HIGH STANDARD OF EDUCATION
AND ALSO BELIEVED FROM THEIR GATHERED ENOURMOUS FINDINGS
WHATS INSIDE
THE HEART AND THE SOUL OF HUMANS
:glasses: one thing is for sure
within all this things
:takbo: IF IT FITS
AS IT GOES A LITTLE SOMETHING
AS OUR BELIEFS

:hihihi: everyone can learn that
8) if they learned the secret
:beer: and that is ... .
:rofl: just dont even try to think about it

:hrmm: BUT IF SOMEONE IS BEEN CAPTIVED BY THE TERRORIST OR
BY THE LIKES OF SATAN ......
:think: IS THERE A DIFFIRENCE BETWEEN
BEING BOUND AND BEING SNARE BY THE DEVIL :hmm:

:blush: just askin :dontknow:

DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER? :yawn:
:scarf: IF NOT do not hesitate to ask first :happy:

God bless us all always

:ty:

ukok102nak · Dec 14, 2015

† : IF IT FITS
AS IF IT GOES LIKE AS A LITTLE SOMETHING
AS OUR BELIEFS ALSO ... . :cool2:

:bulong: just as the elders have told us before
Same old story that were used to tell us
before we go to bed :laway:

:count: And until this day we never forget our oath
to tell this also to anyone we meet :drill:

:thumbsup: ok
got to go :bicycles:
my brethrens :iloveu: and my fellows :flag:

: : until
next time ®

:ty:

God blesd us all always

ukok102nak · Dec 14, 2015

† : IF IT FITS
AS IF IT GOES LIKE AS A LITTLE SOMETHING
AS OUR BELIEFS ALSO ... . :cool2:

:bulong: just as the elders have told us before
Same old story that were used to tell us
before we go to bed :laway:

:count: And until this day we never forget our oath
to tell this also to anyone we meet :drill:

:thumbsup: ok
got to go :bicycles:
my brethrens :iloveu: and my fellows :flag:

: : until
next time ®

:ty:

God blesd us all always

Bowman · Dec 14, 2015

wolfwint said:

Pick a verse that you disagree with, and we will see who can produce the better exegesis.

This way, your opinion is left out of the matter.

Simple.

james57 · Dec 15, 2015

Bowman said:

Isn't exegesis opinion?

wolfwint · Dec 15, 2015

Bowman said:

Bowman this has nothing to do that i am disagree with a verse. If the verse would says what you claim, i would agree.
But you are laying your meaning into it. This is Eisegese and not Exegese.

Bowman · Dec 15, 2015

james57 said:

Exegesis is a critical examination of the text under consideration.

Bowman · Dec 15, 2015

wolfwint said:

Then show your exegetical reasoning, for your assertion.

I have shown mine.

Simple.

But...you people are lazy.....really lazy....

wolfwint · Dec 16, 2015

Bowman said:

Dear Bowman, your opening for this thread was: " Looking for scriptural positions regarding if Satan is presently bound..."
During this thread many statements were given. And right you shown your position. But the only scripture which speaks about that Satan is bound you will find in revelation 20,1-3 during the millenium (1000 years literaly). The verses you ore Valliant and Cassian use for to proof your position are only function if you bring your (ore any other ) thoughts in the text (Eisegese). This is not a correct way to find the meaning of the word of god. And this convinced the most of us not. (look to result of the poll).
The other thing is, that you are not only looking for scriptual positions, as you said with your first statement. If this would have been your goal, then you should be open for other positions, too. But you dont accept other positions then yours. And this is the really pitty.

Bowman · Dec 16, 2015

wolfwint said:

No one in their right mind bases an entire doctrine upon one passage of scripture.

I have shown my position (that Satan is bound) from numerous passages....and I have shown my exegesis.

You are welcome to rebut my exegesis....but, you have not.....nor can you, apparently...

wolfwint · Dec 16, 2015

Bowman said:

This makes no sense, many did already, but you dont accept other positions! this is realy wastet time!
The result of the poll speaks for itself!

Bowman · Dec 16, 2015

wolfwint said:

I have yet to see anyone, other than myself, even using the original Greek in explaining their stance.

If you think that they have, then bring it forth....right now....if not, then you have nothing but yet another merit-less assertion...

ukok102nak · Dec 18, 2015

:rofl: you act like you had chance to disprove this claim of yours

Bowman said:

:smoke: there is nothing wrong with the original scriptures my brother
:rofl: is was just your assertion to give your self a merit for having a
self declared exegis

:news: the position of this creature in bounding satan now
were very astonishing as we imagined how someone walks backward
in the sight of god (forgive him my lord so he may to learn to forgive also)

:think: quiet real and remarkebley true :hmm:
for himself only :haha:

this guy the bowman seems very eager to call others
as demons and he really is bound unto this thing

hope he could fully recover from being bound in that
working to hard from ministering to calling demons ... . . .

which have shown exegesis from every passage
he interprets only for himself by crediting his own understanding

8) give the bowman a break and that is to have at least a higher a position
on a high ground so that he may stay there looking up seeing nothing

: : due unto his reasoning determining translation technus apparatus argumentus
letters and words only (reading the whole chapters may not included)
making to doubt others founded by his corporate calling others as demons

:happy: they were only making some advertising for a smile free
my brother bowman please do not let your anger
devour you ......

:ty:

: : thats all for today my brethrens my fellows
my brothers and my sisters

God bless us all always

ukok102nak · Dec 18, 2015

``as we forgot to qoute
that someone is also lazy enough
to be untruthful
as he quote before
that in rev 20 is god . . ., .?"

:smoke: there is nothing wrong with the original scriptures my brother
:rofl: is was just your assertion to give your self a merit for having a
self declared exegis

:news: the position of this creature in bounding satan now
were very astonishing as we imagined how someone walks backward
in the sight of god (forgive him my lord so he may to learn to forgive also)

:think: quiet real and remarkebley true :hmm:
for himself only :haha:

this guy the bowman seems very eager to call others
as demons and he really is bound unto this thing

hope he could fully recover from being bound in that
working to hard from ministering to calling demons ... . . .

which have shown exegesis from every passage
he interprets only for himself by crediting his own understanding

8) give the bowman a break and that is to have at least a higher a position
on a high ground so that he may stay there looking up seeing nothing

:scarf: due unto his reasoning determining translation technus
apparatus argumentus
letters and words only (reading the whole chapters may not included)
making to doubt others founded by his corporate calling others as demons

:blush: if symtoms persist
dont call this ~:» :yawn: ‹:~ for he really hates to get angry

:happy: they were only making some advertising for a smile free
my brother bowman please do not let your anger
devour you ......

:ty:

: : thats all for today my brethrens my fellows
my brothers and my sisters

:ty:

God bless us all always

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