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eternally-gratefull said:
Mary gave birth to the savior. As a virgin, thats the only thing abnormal about her.

jesus (the second adam) was born without the sin nature, Other than that he was completely human.

Your making Mary A God, thats paganism, Not christianity. Thats the lie.. Mary is not the other of heaven, She is the mother of Christs humanity. and she di dnot have to be sinless to carry Christ, that again, is just another pagan twist on a true christian fact.
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of course what must be accepted that this is according to you without any inspiration by the HS but according to your individual bent, inclination and angle as to what is acceptable as normal and why - a normal virgin does not normally give birth and even if not normally to the son of God imho - wincam
 
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eternally-gratefull

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wincam said:
of course what must be accepted that this is according to you without any inspiration by the HS but according to your individual bent, inclination and angle as to what is acceptable as normal and why - a normal virgin does not normally give birth and even if not normally to the son of God imho - wincam
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yet this does not prove she was sinless, or a "mother of God"

It just proves she was a normal woman who had an abnormal birth..

unless you have more proof you would like to share?
 
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wincam

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eternally-gratefull said:
yet this does not prove she was sinless, or a "mother of God"

It just proves she was a normal woman who had an abnormal birth..

unless you have more proof you would like to share?
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again according to you and some others but not according to God[Lk 1:28] - wincam
 
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wincam said:
again according to you and some others but not according to God[Lk 1:28] - wincam
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where is your proof? All I hear is false accusations. At lease show me where the proof is, The bible should clearly show this if you are correct Your just a man, should i just listen to you or any other man??

Luke 1: 28 does not say she was sinless. or not a natural woman, It says she is highly blessed. She was. She gave birth to the savior!!

You need more proof than just one verse.


 
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wincam

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Budman said:
Exactly. Mary would not have sinned by violating God's command to not deny your spouse sexual relations.

And then there's that pesky "until" word.....

"And (Joseph) knew her not until she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS." (Matthew 1:25)
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Yada does not have sexual innuendos except for those who think so and Matt 1:25 says he knew her not until but does not say knew her thereafter - clearly means he was good enough to refrain and restrain himself through reverence and fear and awe and more than likely continued to do so thereafter - wincam
 
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wincam said:
Yada does not have sexual innuendos except for those who think so and Matt 1:25 says he knew her not until but does not say knew her thereafter - clearly means he was good enough to refrain and restrain himself through reverence and fear and awe and more than likely continued to do so thereafter - wincam
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If he did not "know her" at all Saying he did not "Know her till After" is deceiving, and not truthful now isnt it. Don;t you think the one who wrote luke would know if Jospeh and mary had children or not? in order to make his claim.

You again have no proof. just speculation..

Thats not a very wise thing to do.
 
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No, it's a thread about the value of remaining celibate to fulfill the demands of being a full time minister of the Gospel. The discipline still exists in some churches. The reformers didn't like the idea, contrary to the teachings of Jesus and Paul.

Scripture Catholic - THE PRIESTHOOD - FATHERS, CELIBACY & WOMEN'S ORDINATION
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The Bible never says you must be celibate to be a pastor.Jesus was celibate because he came to die,He had a mission.No where is being celibate commanded in the Bible.
 
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wincam said:
the norm is that humans marry and increase and multiply but Jesus did not and neither did His very own mother - any sensible or reasonable comments - wincam
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Jesus came to die,He had a mission. Mary did have children unless you twist and rewrite Scripture.No where is being celibate a commandment in the Bible.
 
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wincam said:
exactly what the problem is is that Mary was not a normal human nor was Jesus no matter who accepts or says otherwise - wincam
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Mary was human,she was not a deity,never claimed to be. She never claimed to save from sin,Jesus did,she never preformed miracles,Jesus did. Her birth was of two humans the same as the rest of us. Jesus saved her the same as He saved all of us with His death on the cross.
 
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Kaycie

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That was not Christ's mission on the earth. It was not God's will for Him to marry and have children, He came to save the world from their sins. And Mary did have other children. It is for humans to have physical children, not for Deity, and Mary was not Deity, she was the same as the rest of us- needing to be saved from sin.
 
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kaylagrl

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wincam said:
Yada does not have sexual innuendos except for those who think so and Matt 1:25 says he knew her not until but does not say knew her thereafter - clearly means he was good enough to refrain and restrain himself through reverence and fear and awe and more than likely continued to do so thereafter - wincam
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No,until means they remained celibate until she birthed Jesus. You cant change the meaning because you dont like it.It means exactly what it says. I lived at my parents house UNTIL I got married. Where do I live now?? One guess...
 
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wincam

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kaylagrl said:
No,until means they remained celibate until she birthed Jesus. You cant change the meaning because you dont like it.It means exactly what it says. I lived at my parents house UNTIL I got married. Where do I live now?? One guess...
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of course all according to you and some others likewise motivated but no real authority or inspiration in interpretation - it is not about you or your parents or where you have lived or live now or about your twist or take but what scripture actually says and who decides if you and I having the same scriptures disagree - wincam
 
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wincam

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Kaycie said:
That was not Christ's mission on the earth. It was not God's will for Him to marry and have children, He came to save the world from their sins. And Mary did have other children. It is for humans to have physical children, not for Deity, and Mary was not Deity, she was the same as the rest of us- needing to be saved from sin.
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of course many like you think their mother made them = God has more children than you can imagine - celibacy is not lunacy but eunuchy for God's sake[Matt.19:12] - wincam
 
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wincam

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kaylagrl said:
No,until means they remained celibate until she birthed Jesus. You cant change the meaning because you dont like it.It means exactly what it says. I lived at my parents house UNTIL I got married. Where do I live now?? One guess...
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btw why did they remain celibate until she birthed Jesus except out of reverence, respect and awe and so to hereafter - how about before - wincam
 
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kaylagrl

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wincam said:
of course all according to you and some others likewise motivated but no real authority or inspiration in interpretation - it is not about you or your parents or where you have lived or live now or about your twist or take but what scripture actually says and who decides if you and I having the same scriptures disagree - wincam
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Ok I understand English isnt your first language so you dont understand my post. The verse is clear. They did not consummate the marriage UNTIL the birth of Christ. It doesn't matter what you think or if you disagree.Its what the Bible says. Your thoughts are irrelevant .
 
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Tintin

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Winny, how come your Holy Spirit tells you things contrary to the Scriptures? ;)
 
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wincam said:
the norm is that humans marry and increase and multiply but Jesus did not and neither did His very own mother - any sensible or reasonable comments - wincam
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Mary is the earthen vessel woman which God married in the blood, where the life is. It surely was the life in the blood of the earthen vessel Mary, which The Father and life in the blood did marry...the soul of Mary was surely the mother of Jesus, but Mary is not God with no beginning or ending, but married into no beginning or ending by the blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of God.
 
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wincam said:
exactly what the problem is is that Mary was not a normal human nor was Jesus no matter who accepts or says otherwise - wincam
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Mary was Not a normal human being?
To say such a thing is not normal.
What happened to her was super normal, but she was normal.
 
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AboundingGrace

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I guess that I haven't been normal in a long time. :)
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Well.. you were normal during your marriage before it got to be "haven't been in a long time". :eek:
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
in the day of mary and Joseph, it would not be a marraige, it would never have been consumated.. They did not remain betrothed the rest of their lives, they became one after the birth of her firstborn.
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It seems that I must elaborate on my position. To be betrothed is to be engaged. Joseph and Mary did not live together as an engaged couple. She did not progressively "show" her pregnancy while they were still only engaged. She did not give birth while they were still only engaged.

No. That would have been by any social standard, disastrous. Jesus would have been considered a bastard, and she would have been considered a prostitute.

So of course Joseph soon married Mary before she began to "show". They did not consummate the marriage until after she'd given birth.
 
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