Hyper grace

[james57]

My ego is in its rightful place, praise Jesus. I speak only what He teaches in His word. Anything else is worthless chatter. I am not into wasting my time with that.

Well that is your opinion

 

[james57]

I think I caught up now!

 

[Euphemia]

If God has gifted you to teach why are you on the internet? If you want oeople to learn from the wisdom you believe you have go out into the streets and preach, or ask your minister if you can preAch in church. Dont forget most feel as you do on these websites. They also believe they have much knowledge and are gifted to teach. Such people dont come on the internet to learn but preach

To many chiefs and not enough Indians so to speak.
Preach in the real world, the will be more receptive to learn.

Here people who think like you will give you compliments as you return the favour. Those who don't think as you do wont listen to you

I do all I am called to do: offering the love and mercy of Christ to people out in the world and on the internet who desperately need truth.

God has provided wonderful preachers and teachers for our church. All our members are called to teach and preach by Jesus Himself in His great commission. We take that seriously. I don't need to ask my pastors to step aside and let me preach. That is the job God has given them. do you think that being on the platform on weekend services is the ultimate of callings? No---it is only one calling for the Body of Christ. There is not one job in the Body of Chris that is more illustrious than another. Being a toilet cleaner in the assembly is just as much a calling as the lead pastor of the same assembly.

I believe that you are hear for the very reason you claim others are here. I am here to proclaim God's word and to encourage the weak among us, as well as the strong. As for the prideful, well, I will address them (you), but allow the Lord to do the correction.


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[Euphemia]

Ah so you excuse your rudeness as being straightforward. It always gives me a wry smile when someone who stresses grace acts phariseeical

I doubt you would understand the book I am afraid. And people like you mock what they cannot ubderstand

I have not been rude to you. I do, however, respond to rudeness and hypocrisy on your part.

If I couldn't understand your "book", no one will.

 

[james57]

I have not been rude to you. I do, however, respond to rudeness and hypocrisy on your part.

If I couldn't understand your "book", no one will.

You are hurting aren't you. Your ego has been bruised s I pointed out your inconsistencies in your beliefs. I am sorry I upset you

Ivdont mind what you say to me, I suspect all is not well in your life. I will make allowance based on tgat

 

[ladylynn]

Some time ago one of the mods named Prodigal posted this word picture and it always stuck in my mind even enough that I even remembered what thread he put it on. And it really helps me when I think about using verses on someone.

 

[james57]

I do all I am called to do: offering the love and mercy of Christ to people out in the world and on the internet who desperately need truth.

God has provided wonderful preachers and teachers for our church. All our members are called to teach and preach by Jesus Himself in His great commission. We take that seriously. I don't need to ask my pastors to step aside and let me preach. That is the job God has given them. do you think that being on the platform on weekend services is the ultimate of callings? No---it is only one calling for the Body of Christ. There is not one job in the Body of Chris that is more illustrious than another. Being a toilet cleaner in the assembly is just as much a calling as the lead pastor of the same assembly.

I believe that you are hear for the very reason you claim others are here. I am here to proclaim God's word and to encourage the weak among us, as well as the strong. As for the prideful, well, I will address them (you), but allow the Lord to do the correction.


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I repeat if you want to preach to maximum effect Thi I the last place to do it trust ne. Most see itvas you do they have been gifted with knowledge and have cone here to preach. They didn't cone to receive instruction

 

[Euphemia]

You are hurting aren't you. Your ego has been bruised s I pointed out your inconsistencies in your beliefs. I am sorry I upset you

Ivdont mind what you say to me, I suspect all is not well in your life. I will make allowance based on tgat

No, I am not hurting, and my life is fine with Jesus in it. I am soaring in the knowledge of Jesus! There are no inconsistencies in my beliefs because I am diligent about that, so you cannot point out anything but what you imagine...your imagination works overtime in your assessment of people. Special discernment in that area is not your gift! So, try not to come off sounding smart in that area, because you aren't.

You haven't upset me. I have dealt with your kind many times.


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[Euphemia]

I repeat if you want to preach to maximum effect Thi I the last place to do it trust ne. Most see itvas you do they have been gifted with knowledge and have cone here to preach. They didn't cone to receive instruction

Nah... I am here not to preach. I am here to simply proclaim the truth of the word and the reality of Jesus in a life given over to God. I am not one of those know-it-all's who come to forums and laud and lord it over on people. I have walked with Jesus for many years, and know that approach is not a good one. I am just one of the bunch---one of many sons and daughters of the Kingdom here to share.

Can you say the same?

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[james57]

No, I am not hurting, and my life is fine with Jesus in it. I am soaring in the knowledge of Jesus! There are no inconsistencies in my beliefs because I am diligent about that, so you cannot point out anything but what you imagine...your imagination works overtime in your assessment of people. Special discernment in that area is not your gift! So, try not to come off sounding smart in that area, because you aren't.

You haven't upset me. I have dealt with your kind many times.


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It is a red flag you cannot see your glaring inconsistencies. I know you are not a happy person, but I am not here to pry

Well we seem to be at an impasse you have made your views plain about me and I see you as a fantasist who believes that have been gifted to preach and been given much knowledge. I dont see you Tha way at all. Just someone who has come on the internet flushed with what they think the know but lacking greatly understanding of scripture

So where do we go from here?

 

[Euphemia]

Now with all the above said, James57, I declare I am a very happy, upbeat person!---and I bid you peace and adieu!


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[james57]

Now with all the above said, James57, I declare I am a very happy, upbeat person!---and I bid you peace and adieu!


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Ok bye.......

 

[royalscot]

yet to keep his opinion on track, you need a law, to define what sin is. mmmmm. have fun , blowing air in dead bones.
repetition is easy to follow, it can save its self, yet thinks it being smart.

then the only question would be, why would i need a wage to follow a human boss, when a god has already set everyone free from that idea. so who is promoting i should work for a human boss, when that boss cant save him self never mind you.
logic is proven correct by actions, of the boss you follow. lol

 

[james57]

Hi euphemia.
When are you going to start teaching on this website? Apart from a short post about sin conscious I haven't noticed much at all from you of beliefs. Grace770 and Lynn have written greatly of their beliefs, why haven't you?
If you believe you have been gifted to be a teacher and sent here to teach, I would say if you don't teach you are being disobedient, I am sure you would agree.
If you would like to give a short talk or sermon in a post( your words not someone else's commentary) I would be happy to take a look at it and tell you what I think. You have to start somewhere.
God bless

 

[AbideinVine]

Perusing through comments, I don't see that there's agreement about what it is.

How we can discuss an issue when there are is no agreed upon definition?

What is the agreed upon definition of hyper grace?
Where did hyper grace originate?
Why is it worth our time to discuss?
What is the fruit of this 'new' thing?

What are good practices for our discussions?

 

[Grace777x70]

All good questions and they were answered at the start of this thread...have a look...be blessed!

Perusing through comments, I don't see that there's agreement about what it is.

How we can discuss an issue when there are is no agreed upon definition?

What is the agreed upon definition of hyper grace?
Where did hyper grace originate?
Why is it worth our time to discuss?
What is the fruit of this 'new' thing?

What are good practices for our discussions?

 

[Euphemia]

I am hete to share. Teaching is done all at the same time as living. I abhor people who presume that everyone is in need of their precious pearls. I also abhor people who make personal comments and judgments about others online, and thosecwho seek to dominate and control, even to the point of singling people out directly, hoping to engage them further. Not gonna dance, James.

Hi euphemia.
When are you going to start teaching on this website? Apart from a short post about sin conscious I haven't noticed much at all from you of beliefs. Grace770 and Lynn have written greatly of their beliefs, why haven't you?
If you believe you have been gifted to be a teacher and sent here to teach, I would say if you don't teach you are being disobedient, I am sure you would agree.
If you would like to give a short talk or sermon in a post( your words not someone else's commentary) I would be happy to take a look at it and tell you what I think. You have to start somewhere.
God bless

 

[james57]

I am hete to share. Teaching is done all at the same time as living. I abhor people who presume that everyone is in need of their precious pearls. I also abhor people who make personal comments and judgments about others online, and thosecwho seek to dominate and control, even to the point of singling people out directly, hoping to engage them further. Not gonna dance, James.

Sorry, but as you said you were blessed to be a teacher of the word, I thought you might have wanted to/ believed you should teach the word on this website. Yet you seem to do less teaching than anyone else.

Strange how you then abhor people who believe others are in need of their precious pearls. I guess you wouldn't think anyone would be in need of the knowledge you believe you have for teaching then.

And you abhor people who make personal comments and judgements about others online. I guess you don't have a very high opinion of yourself then.

Dont know why you would think I would be singling you out
Only as you said if anyone would understand my book you would, I thought you meant no one had better understanding about Christianity than you.

Anyway, I hope all that obvious anger gets dealt with in you soon. You will never be happy until it is

God bless

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a common and legitimate concern about the grace of Christ as believed by the so called hyper-grace folks...

Question/comment : Jesus Christ is my righteousness but that does not mean that I can live carelessly. ( this is what people "hear" with their natural minds )

Answer: No one in the grace camp is suggesting that everyone can go and sin all they want....even if some take it that way to live however they want..but that is not grace... It’s a total myth. It’s like saying mothers should be shot because they occasionally give birth to Hitlers and Stalins. Well forgive me, but I happen to like mothers.
As strange as it may seem, those who preach grace are the ONLY ONES equipping the saints to go and sin no more. Read some of the comments on this site and you will find 100s of testimonies of liberated saints who have overcome sin one way or another. The law preachers and works-preachers make a great show of suppressing sin but after 4+ decades of watching I’ve yet to meet a single one who has had any lasting success. My experience is backed up by scripture. The Israelites had 14 centuries to turn out one sin-free person, pleasing and acceptable to God, and they failed too.

There is nothing within man that can save him, sanctify him, or make him righteous. Everything we need has to come from above. This is obvious once you see it.

This is from the comments section on this site....I like the comment section in places as sometimes you can find clearer answers on some things.

“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown – Escape to Reality

 

[james57]

Here is a common and legitimate concern about the grace of Christ as believed by the so called hyper-grace folks...

Question/comment : Jesus Christ is my righteousness but that does not mean that I can live carelessly. ( this is what people "hear" with their natural minds )

Answer: No one in the grace camp is suggesting that everyone can go and sin all they want....even if some take it that way to live however they want..but that is not grace... It’s a total myth. It’s like saying mothers should be shot because they occasionally give birth to Hitlers and Stalins. Well forgive me, but I happen to like mothers.
As strange as it may seem, those who preach grace are the ONLY ONES equipping the saints to go and sin no more. Read some of the comments on this site and you will find 100s of testimonies of liberated saints who have overcome sin one way or another. The law preachers and works-preachers make a great show of suppressing sin but after 4+ decades of watching I’ve yet to meet a single one who has had any lasting success. My experience is backed up by scripture. The Israelites had 14 centuries to turn out one sin-free person, pleasing and acceptable to God, and they failed too.

There is nothing within man that can save him, sanctify him, or make him righteous. Everything we need has to come from above. This is obvious once you see it.

This is from the comments section on this site....I like the comment section in places as sometimes you can find clearer answers on some things.

“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown – Escape to Reality

Do you believe people who do not share your exact views are not in the grace camp/ they don't believe in grace?

Only u referred to people who believe as you do as being I the grace camp

I am not sure if you believe the only people who accept grace are those who see grace as you and a few others do who pretty much agree on your stance

Just wondered