Where Is Mother Teresa Now?

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WebersHome

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September of 1946, Teresa, then 36 years old, was sent to her annual
retreat and a needed rest, to the Loreto convent in Darjeeling, a town
nestled in the foothills of the Himalayas, some 400 miles north of Calcutta
(a.k.a. Kolkata). On the 10th, she experienced a "mystical encounter" with
Christ. That experience would be only the first of several that would occur
that year.

Lest someone makes the mistake of assuming that Teresa actually eye
witnessed an apparition, or that she actually heard sounds with her own
ears; let me explain something that's crucial to keeping Teresa's testimony
in the proper perspective.

Her experiences are what's known as locutions (supernatural words) viz:
manifestations of God's thoughts; which may come through words heard
externally (exterior or auricular locutions) or in the imagination (interior
imaginative locutions) or immediately without any words (interior intellectual
locutions) viz: intuition.

Teresa's locutions were of the interior imaginative variety; viz: she didn't
actually hear any voices nor did she see anybody; no, it all took place in her
imagination.

I'm not making this up. I own a copy of Teresa's personal letters, published
with commentary by Father Brian Kolodiejchuk, M.C. the director of the
Mother Teresa Center, and Postulator for her canonization. Father Brian is
not one of Ms. Bojaxhiu's enemies. No, they were friends for like twenty
years: he's a great admirer of hers and obtained his superior's approval
before publishing Teresa's letters.

One of them, containing excerpts of some of her "conversations" with Jesus
that took place in her imagination, is on page 47. What really caught my
attention in the letter is a promise Teresa claims the locutions made to her
that went like this : "Do not fear— I shall be with you always."

Was Jesus with her always? Not even! The poor woman went on from that
year forward to endure virtually five decades feeling abandoned by Christ;
and yearning for even the slightest glimmer of The Lord's presence. She
came to the point of actually referring to Christ as "the absent one".

Q: If the locutions were only in Teresa's imagination; then why did they go
silent? Couldn't she have kept them going?

A: Teresa wondered why the locutions stopped too. However, that's really a
question for either a professional psychologist or a neuroscientist. Our minds
seem at times to have a mind of their own.

As an example, no doubt there's been times when you heard someone call
your name; when actually nobody did. I don't know how to explain things
like that any more than I know how to explain the immoral, and oftentimes
violent thoughts and imaginations that flood our minds totally against our
will.

How does the human brain, a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue,
consisting of 60% fat, produce the phenomena of memory, consciousness,
and self awareness? How does it make us all behave so similarly at times,
and yet endow each of us with a unique and irreproducible existence? I can't
answer those questions any more than I can resolve Teresa's interior
imaginative locutions nor the mental activity of clairvoyance and horse
whispering.

Teresa died in 1997 at the age of 87; distraught with anxiety that God not
only maybe didn't like her, but also that He may never have actually
approved of any of her work in India.

Let that be a lesson. NEVER listen for a so-called "still small voice" in your
head; because it just might be nothing in the world but your 3-pound lump
of fatty organic tissue getting to you. Following the lead of your own
imagination is like hitching your buggy to a tumble weed. You'll never get to
town like that.

†. 1John 4:1 . . Beloved, believe not every wind, but test the spirits whether
they are of God

Don't be gullible. Fantasized voices are the most unreliable form of
communication with God that I can possibly imagine. People actually commit
murders because they hear a voice from God telling them to do so.

I'm not alleging that Teresa was schizophrenic-- she didn't claim to hear
audible voices. Her locutions were more like impressions than speech. I'm
only pointing out that Teresa's reality did not jive with her locutions; and she
was really disturbed by it too.

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Is there a reason we are harping on this person after they are dead? Like we have something to prove to people? That we are happy she's there in order to prove a point?
 
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Magenta

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Is there a reason we are harping on this person after they are dead? Like we have something to prove to people? That we are happy she's there in order to prove a point?
I think it all very sad, especially all the more so since she wanted her private thoughts kept private... and nobody has answered as to why she was so brutally betrayed by the church she served so faithfully her whole life.
 

WebersHome

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Why would a so-called friend and the RCC do this against her wishes?
I feel bad for her being exposed this way.
I suspect it was pre-emptive.

If perchance Teresa were to be sainted some day-- which at this point is
almost a sure thing --and it came out later that the Church suppressed her
deplorable spiritual condition; they would likely find themselves embroiled in
yet another cover-up scandal; and people would have good cause to
seriously question the Church's integrity all over again.

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mystdancer50

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I won't judge her.
If she died a believer, she is with Jesus.
If she died rejecting Jesus she is banished forever from His presence.

Most of the quotes seemed like the angst of a poet expressing herself honestly.

Even David had expressed some similar struggles.
Well said. This is my response. When I read the title of this post, I thought, "This is what judging means...when one assumes that they know where someone has ended up and will be for eternity. Only God knows. Only God determines." I would never presume to say where someone is or isn't, though long ago, I was vain and foolish enough to do so.

Also, in light of her struggles, she was human. Does a Christian never struggle with doubt, fear, darkness, depression? We are flawed and broken human beings living on a cursed planet with other flawed and broken human beings. Imagine all the darkness Mother Theresa saw in her life. She nursed the sick and dying and saw the cruelty of man firsthand. Isn't she entitled to struggle with feelings like she did? God does not condemn us in our moments of doubt. Consider that before assuming that she had no connection to Christ.
 
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There is a very simple way to see if she will enter into Heaven.

Did she pray to Mary?

Did she pray the Rosary?

If she did then she was an Idolator and cannot enter into Heaven.

Its as simple as that.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

Magenta

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I suspect it was pre-emptive.

If perchance Teresa were to be sainted some day-- which at this point is
almost a sure thing --and it came out later that the Church suppressed her
deplorable spiritual condition; they would likely find themselves embroiled in
yet another cover-up scandal; and people would have good cause to
seriously question the Church's integrity all over again.
Their integrity must be called into question simply for choosing to publish Teresa's personal private thoughts against her express wishes. It really strikes me as a violation of the worst sort. But then again, asking the RCC to have integrity does seem a stretch. Never mind!
 

Billyd

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Is the best that we can do is question a dead person's salvation? I can't help but say that I find this OP disgusting.
 

WebersHome

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Two elements of the fruit of the Spirit as per Gal 5:22 are joy and peace.
Teresa, had neither.

Her lack of joy and peace wasn't on-again-off-again, no; her lack of joy and
peace was acute; viz: perpetual-- lasting virtually the entire five decades
she was in India.

Lack of the fruit of the Spirit is an indication of a lack of righteousness and
goodness and truth in one's earthly life.

†. Eph 5:9 . . The fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and
truth.

Peter testified that peace is available in abundance through the knowledge of
God and of His son Jesus.

†. 2Pet 1:1-2 . . Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ : To those
who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have
received a faith as precious as ours : grace and peace be yours in
abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

Since Teresa failed to obtain "peace in abundance" in her missionary work,
then I am forced to conclude that she never did receive a faith as precious
as Peter's, nor was she properly indoctrinated in the tenets of Christianity.
She may have had a faith, and she may have had a knowledge, yes; but it
definitely wasn't Peter's faith and knowledge; nor was it Christ's.

†. John 14:26-27 . . Peace I leave with you-- my peace I give to you; not as
the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it
be afraid.

†. John 15:11 . .These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in
you, and that your joy may be made full.

†. John 17:13 . . But now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the
world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves.

Nor Paul's:

†. Rom 15:33 . . Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

†. Php 4:5-7 . .The Lord is at hand. Do not be anxious about anything, but in
everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests
to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will
guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

†. Php 4:8-9 . . Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble,
whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is
admirable-- if anything is excellent or praiseworthy --think about such
things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in
me-- put it into practice; and the God of peace will be with you.

Was the God of peace with Teresa? No; not according to her experience.

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

"Now Father-- since 49 or 50 this terrible sense of loss-- this untold
darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which gives me
pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not see
neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul is
blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I just
long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me-- He is
not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own heart
cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I can't
explain"

When we compare all those verse I posted in regards to joy and peace with
Teresa's complaints, it becomes immediately apparent that her spiritual
condition was extremely abnormal; and I have to ask: Why didn't her spiritual
counselors have any answers? They knew she was in trouble because Teresa
kept Father Neuner informed of her spiritual condition via private correspondence.

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DiscipleDave

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To answer the question in the OP Title:

Sleeping.

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RachelBibleStudent

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i don't think all of the words of a chronically depressed person are grounds for judging the fate of their soul...
 

crossnote

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There is a very simple way to see if she will enter into Heaven.

Did she pray to Mary?

Did she pray the Rosary?

If she did then she was an Idolator and cannot enter into Heaven.

Its as simple as that.

Galatians 5:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
So salvation depends on how well we keep the "Thou shall nots"?
 

epostle

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Is there a reason we are harping on this person after they are dead? Like we have something to prove to people? That we are happy she's there in order to prove a point?
She has been in the news recently over the canonization process.
Mother Teresa lived an exemplary life in Christ. She was/is a saint. Evil hates what is good. That is why there is so much noise.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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i wonder how everyone would feel if someone published all of the words -they- said in their darkest moments of grief or depression...and then argued that they weren't saved...
 
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Sirk

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i wonder how everyone would feel if someone published all of the words -they- said in their darkest moments of grief or depression...and then argued that they weren't saved...
or all the times they referred to people with differing opinions as stupid degenerate brainwashed cultist non christian degenerates.
 
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So salvation depends on how well we keep the "Thou shall nots"?
Not how well, but if we practice wickedness. Practicing wickedness shows that GOD is not dwelling within, for a person cannot practice sin if born of GOD. No person without GOD can be saved.
 
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sassylady

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I once read a quote where she said something to the affect that "Jesus is my husband, I do this for Him" She felt the sick deserved to die in dignity. Sounds too like she struggled with fears and beliefs like we do, especially being in a place where there was such filth and poverty. I don't know much about the Catholic faith but what I do know would make the struggle much more difficult.
 

WebersHome

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I once read a quote where she said something to the affect that "Jesus
is my husband, I do this for Him"
Well, if Christ really was her husband, then he sure was a failure at it. One
of Teresa's complaints was that she never experienced even a glimmer of
the Lord's presence, and because of that she referred to him as the "absent
one".

According to the Bible, husbands are supposed to love their wives. A man
who never spends any time with his wife hardly qualifies as a husband that
loves her.

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