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DiscipleDave

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If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.

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Ahwatukee

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If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.

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Nice model! The only things that I would not agree with are as follows:

1.) The seals should all be contained within the seven year time-line and not outside of it, as the first seal is the revealing of the antichrist, the rider on the white horse.

2.) The Male Child is a collective name for the 144,000 who are caught up to God's throne at the middle of the seven years (Rev.12:5)

3.) The saints do not reign over the 144,000, which are the first fruits out of the twelve tribes of Israel, who will not have defiled themselves with women and in whose mouth no lie will be found. The fact that scripture states that they sing a new song that no one else is able to learn (Rev.14:3-4) would demonstrate that this group will not be subservient to any other group of saints.

4.) Though there must be a renovation of this present earth when Christ returns to end the age in order to live during the millennial period, scripture has the new heaven and new earth being created after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment. Also, I personally believe that the new heaven and new earth will be brand new, as in novel, never exiting before and not a renovation of this current heaven and earth. In support of this, John says that he sees the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God. Regarding this, there should be no controversy in recognizing that the new Jerusalem is not a renovated version of the current city of Jerusalem, but is completely new, having different dimensions and is much, much, bigger and is made by God. Therefore, the new heaven and new earth must also be completely new, for they are all said to be new.

5.) The New Jerusalem does not come down out of heaven until after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment, when the new heaven and new earth are created. During the millennial period sin will still be apart of the those who are mortal and who will be repopulating the earth. Therefore, God is not going to bring in the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem while there are still people existing with the sinful nature. The new heaven, earth and Jerusalem will come after all have been cast into the lake of fire and all that is left are the righteous. The following must all occur before the New Jerusalem comes down from God out of heaven:


In Revelation 21, the recorded history of man is at its end. All of the ages have come and gone. Christ has gathered His church in the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:15–17). The Tribulation has passed (Revelation 6—18). The battle of Armageddon has been fought and won by our Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 19:17–21). Satan has been chained for the 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth (Revelation 20:1–3). A new, glorious temple has been established in Jerusalem (Ezekiel 40—48). The final rebellion against God has been quashed, and Satan has received his just punishment, an eternity in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7–10.) The Great White Throne Judgment has taken place, and mankind has been judged (Revelation 20:11–15).
 

crossnote

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Nice model! The only things that I would not agree with are as follows:

1.) The seals should all be contained within the seven year time-line and not outside of it, as the first seal is the revealing of the antichrist, the rider on the white horse.

2.) The Male Child is a collective name for the 144,000 who are caught up to God's throne at the middle of the seven years (Rev.12:5)

3.) The saints do not reign over the 144,000, which are the first fruits out of the twelve tribes of Israel, who will not have defiled themselves with women and in whose mouth no lie will be found. The fact that scripture states that they sing a new song that no one else is able to learn (Rev.14:3-4) would demonstrate that this group will not be subservient to any other group of saints.

4.) Though there must be a renovation of this present earth when Christ returns to end the age in order to live during the millennial period, scripture has the new heaven and new earth being created after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment. Also, I personally believe that the new heaven and new earth will be brand new, as in novel, never exiting before and not a renovation of this current heaven and earth. In support of this, John says that he sees the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God. Regarding this, there should be no controversy in recognizing that the new Jerusalem is not a renovated version of the current city of Jerusalem, but is completely new, having different dimensions and is much, much, bigger and is made by God. Therefore, the new heaven and new earth must also be completely new, for they are all said to be new.

5.) The New Jerusalem does not come down out of heaven until after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment, when the new heaven and new earth are created. During the millennial period sin will still be apart of the those who are mortal and who will be repopulating the earth. Therefore, God is not going to bring in the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem while there are still people existing with the sinful nature. The new heaven, earth and Jerusalem will come after all have been cast into the lake of fire and all that is left are the righteous. The following must all occur before the New Jerusalem comes down from God out of heaven:


In Revelation 21, the recorded history of man is at its end. All of the ages have come and gone. Christ has gathered His church in the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:15–17). The Tribulation has passed (Revelation 6—18). The battle of Armageddon has been fought and won by our Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 19:17–21). Satan has been chained for the 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth (Revelation 20:1–3). A new, glorious temple has been established in Jerusalem (Ezekiel 40—48). The final rebellion against God has been quashed, and Satan has received his just punishment, an eternity in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7–10.) The Great White Throne Judgment has taken place, and mankind has been judged (Revelation 20:11–15).
Another minor point, I don't believe their will be a mark given until the last half of the trib., then it is only mandatory.
 
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DD the false prophet...

If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.

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To begin with, the 6K years is incorrect.

You have imposed your YEC worldview on scripture - something that you mandated should NOT be included in the interpretation.



Can we say hypocrisy?

 

Ahwatukee

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Another minor point, I don't believe their will be a mark given until the last half of the trib., then it is only mandatory.
I agree! I believe that the mark will become the only means of buying and selling from somewhere around the middle of the seven years. Regarding this, scripture states that the false prophet will "force" all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive the mark. The way in which I believe this forcing will take place is not by physically forcing people to receive it, but by making cash, checks, crediting and debiting by the use of other devices obsolete, leaving only that mark as an option for buying and selling. Consequently, anyone who doesn't receive that sub-dermal device, will not be able to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts, ergo, he forces.
 
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Nice model! The only things that I would not agree with are as follows:

1.) The seals should all be contained within the seven year time-line and not outside of it, as the first seal is the revealing of the antichrist, the rider on the white horse.

2.) The Male Child is a collective name for the 144,000 who are caught up to God's throne at the middle of the seven years (Rev.12:5)

3.) The saints do not reign over the 144,000, which are the first fruits out of the twelve tribes of Israel, who will not have defiled themselves with women and in whose mouth no lie will be found. The fact that scripture states that they sing a new song that no one else is able to learn (Rev.14:3-4) would demonstrate that this group will not be subservient to any other group of saints.

4.) Though there must be a renovation of this present earth when Christ returns to end the age in order to live during the millennial period, scripture has the new heaven and new earth being created after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment. Also, I personally believe that the new heaven and new earth will be brand new, as in novel, never exiting before and not a renovation of this current heaven and earth. In support of this, John says that he sees the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God. Regarding this, there should be no controversy in recognizing that the new Jerusalem is not a renovated version of the current city of Jerusalem, but is completely new, having different dimensions and is much, much, bigger and is made by God. Therefore, the new heaven and new earth must also be completely new, for they are all said to be new.

5.) The New Jerusalem does not come down out of heaven until after the millennial period and after the great white throne judgment, when the new heaven and new earth are created. During the millennial period sin will still be apart of the those who are mortal and who will be repopulating the earth. Therefore, God is not going to bring in the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem while there are still people existing with the sinful nature. The new heaven, earth and Jerusalem will come after all have been cast into the lake of fire and all that is left are the righteous. The following must all occur before the New Jerusalem comes down from God out of heaven:


In Revelation 21, the recorded history of man is at its end. All of the ages have come and gone. Christ has gathered His church in the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:15–17). The Tribulation has passed (Revelation 6—18). The battle of Armageddon has been fought and won by our Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 19:17–21). Satan has been chained for the 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth (Revelation 20:1–3). A new, glorious temple has been established in Jerusalem (Ezekiel 40—48). The final rebellion against God has been quashed, and Satan has received his just punishment, an eternity in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7–10.) The Great White Throne Judgment has taken place, and mankind has been judged (Revelation 20:11–15).

Entirely incorrect.
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Re: DD the false prophet...

To begin with, the 6K years is incorrect.

You have imposed your YEC worldview on scripture - something that you mandated should NOT be included in the interpretation.



Can we say hypocrisy?

You must not have read his first post. He politely asked for people to provide scripture to show that his outline is wrong.
 

crossnote

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Re: DD the false prophet...

You must not have read his first post. He politely asked for people to provide scripture to show that his outline is wrong.
There you go, trying to make things clear, sheeesh :p
 
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If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.
There is no 7 year tribulation in the bible.
 
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popeye

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#11
If Anyone can show me Scriptures which proves something in this picture is not correct, i would like to see it, please.
Please keep personal opinions, personal interpretations, personal thoughts, personal beliefs, out of it. Please just show me Scriptures which proves something in the picture below is not accurate.

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No rapture?

Where do you place the wedding supper?

Where do you place the 4 horsemen?

The 2 witnesses?

The GM in heaven?

Every human killed that refuses the mark?


Here are the 144k in heaven during the gt. They are harvested as firstfruits jews.


Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


Then come the remnant Jews a few verses later;

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

This is what was told Jesus at the first miracle of water into wine "you saved the best for last"
 
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Re: DD the false prophet...

You must not have read his first post. He politely asked for people to provide scripture to show that his outline is wrong.
The 6K year fallacy is generated by YEC's (covered in other creation threads), as they attempt to sum the generations and arrive at a creation date based upon this.

The error here is two-fold, first of all, scripture never commands us to sum the generations to arrive at a creation date.

Other places in scripture bluntly state to calculate numbers, such as in Rev 13...but not in creation.


Secondly, with which text are you going to sum the generations? The MT? The LXX? Etc, etc...because each text will provide a wildly different number...


Go with what scripture tells you....
 
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WarriorForChrist

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Re: DD the false prophet...

The 6K year fallacy is generated by YEC's (covered in other creation threads), as they attempt to sum the generations and arrive at a creation date based upon this.

The error here is two-fold, first of all, scripture never commands us to sum the generations to arrive at a creation date.

Other places in scripture bluntly state to calculate numbers, such as in Rev 13...but not in creation.


Secondly, with which text are you going to sum the generations? The MT? The LXX? Etc, etc...because each text will provide a wildly different number...


Go with what scripture tells you....
Lol I asked to keep with what his first post stated. I wasn't questioning anything lol
 
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Another heretic who believes the 70th week of Daniel is not fulfilled yet. Guess what fellas, Jesus Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week. Deny the 70th week as being fulfilled, deny also Christ crucified in the middle of that final week. DOH! :)
 
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popeye

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Another heretic who believes the 70th week of Daniel is not fulfilled yet. Guess what fellas, Jesus Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week. Deny the 70th week as being fulfilled, deny also Christ crucified in the middle of that final week. DOH! :)
Has the AC come and gone?
The flying scorpions?

Us dummies is jest wundurin.
 

Ahwatukee

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Another heretic who believes the 70th week of Daniel is not fulfilled yet. Guess what fellas, Jesus Christ was crucified in the middle of the 70th week. Deny the 70th week as being fulfilled, deny also Christ crucified in the middle of that final week. DOH! :)
Impossible! Jesus spoke of the event of that last seven years in relation to his return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Jesus cannot be "the ruler" referred to in Dan.9:26, as it would also make him the one who is setting up the abomination and that alone would disqualify Jesus as being the One who makes the covenant and causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease.

Sixty-nine of the seven year periods (483 years) were fulfilled at the time when the Anointed Once was cut off, which was Christ crucified. God paused that last seven years until its fulfillment in the future and began building the church. Once the church has been completed, then Christ will appear and gather the dead and living believers, taking us back to the Father's house. At that time God will take up where he left off and that last seven years will commence when that antichrist, that ruler, makes his seven year covenant, fulfilling the last of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem in Dan.9:24.

Also during that last seven years, Dan.2:31:45 will be fulfilled regarding Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the statue which represented all human governments to that last ten-toed kingdom, where the Rock cut out of the mountain, but not by human hands (Jesus Christ), will fall on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces like chaff on the threshing floor, where the wind blows it away never to be found again, which represents the end of human government. The Rock will then fill the entire earth, which represents Christ's millennial kingdom.

Daniel 9:7 sets the stage for the very end time, leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Up to this point the fist seal has not yet been opened.